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Coping when husband is ranting

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AnOverwhelmedMum · 17/06/2025 00:17

Hi it’s my first time posting here. Would really appreciate it if anybody can relate to either side of my story or can offer any advice or insight.

We’re in our thirties and we’ve been married for 10 years. We’ve 3 young kids and married life is hitting hard. We’re quite opposite in personalities and that is seeping into lot of arguments. Funnily enough, it was the differences that drew me to him when I met him. But now almost everyday I regret marrying him and wish instead that I had met someone more like me, calmer and more rational.

He has a ton of great qualities and he’s a great dad. But the one thing that I struggle with him is his anger. He can get angry over little things - like if I ran the tap too much, or scuffed the paintwork, or cook something wrong, or didn’t dress right etc etc.

In the early days of the marriage, I used to listen and used to think that I just had to do it his way to make him happy. Over time, I’m growing tired of his silly insistences and would try to explain or rationalise my actions - and boom, that leads to anger and arguments. He is completely unable to handle a disagreement in a calm or civil manner. He feels like he’s being challenged and refuses to listen to a different view point or ever agree that I am allowed to have a different opinion than him. I find that the more I try and argue back or defend myself, the worse the argument gets. He shouts louder, he starts swearing everything under the sun, even words I don’t know the meaning of, and just insults and rants.. frankly he’s just quite vile when he gets into that. It’s almost like he has to get all anger out and he goes back to his usual self again much later. The only way to instantly calm him down is to accept that I made a mistake and apologise (even when nothing was ever my fault). Even when he’s finally calm, he’s very preachy, and I just nod and accept whatever he says just to avoid a repeat of the whole thing.

It’s downright awful to be on the receiving end of being scolded and shouted at, and I don’t communicate well in the best of circumstances. I tend to clam up and try and weather it, but that provokes him even more and he says that I don’t say anything. I keep telling him that what he’s doing is not a conversation and I can’t talk to him if he’s not calm. But it just doesn’t get through to him in that moment. Sometimes, I get so overwhelmed and angry that I argue back and at the end, I’m not even sure what started it all off.

My brain works a very different way to his, I would solve problems in quite a detached way, by talking without getting feelings involved, very practical and straightforward. But he is a very emotional person, and he wants a full back and forth passionate heated conversation. But I can’t do that, I don’t cope well with raised voices and being shouted at. I struggle with emotional resilience and we struggle to connect because he’s all fired up and I’m halfway shutting down because I can’t cope.

He’s very caring and overly so - he feels too much and wants me to give him so much attention and care than I am capable of and I honestly have time for.. His point is that he pays a lot of attention to everything, and expects me to do the same for him. He loves very deeply and possessively, and in turn expects a lot. So in his mind he naturally feels hurt when I’m doing something that he doesn’t like. But it’s the way he reacts to disagreements that I’m completely overwhelmed with. Even a simple conversation about what to make for dinner tomorrow would suddenly spin out of control if I disagree with him and he would just rant and swear. The issue itself doesn’t really matter, something about my attitude or my tone would be enough to set him.

Being quiet didn’t help, explaining myself didn’t help, defending myself or asserting my feelings made it much worse, fighting with him about it also just destroys us both, and now I’m back to being quiet because I feel defeated. I’ve realised I can’t change him or help him. His anger and the way he responds is entirely in his control. And I can only choose to control my own feelings to not give into reacting. Nowadays, when I see that he’s starting to go off, I tell him firmly that I’m not going to take part in the conversation is he’s not talking in a calm manner, without shouting or swearing. If he continues, I’ll try and leave the room. It takes a huge amount of control for me to not react to all insults or rude things he’s saying, and sometimes I have the presence of mind to tell myself that I just need to focus on not reacting. Because if I react and respond, it does not end well for either of us because it’s always him that wins the shouting match. Many times I don’t make it and the stress of it overwhelms me.

If I could have my life over, I know I wouldn’t choose him. But I chose him and this is my life and I have to see through it for my family’s sake. I’m by no means a perfect woman or wife. I have have a lot of faults too in the marriage. But I feel like this ranting, swearing, and shouting is just unacceptable. Are there any practical things I can do to keep my sanity, to stay calm when being shouted at, to keep my mental self protected from his harshness? How do I stop myself becoming overwhelmed, because I need to protect myself for the sake of being a calm parent for my kids.

Sometimes he apologises for swearing, but not always. Sometimes he would just completely try and justify it with his own reasons the next day. Once he’s got it out of his system, he’s back to his loving self. Then I’m left like whiplashed and confused trying to work out whether there was any substance within his rant or if he was just in an uncontrollable anger mood? Leaving him is not an option at the moment, for the sake of the kids and extended family, I’m trying to put my best efforts in to see if we can come out the other end better.

I know I haven’t really asked a specific question, but I’m just writing to see if there is anyone out there who has been in similar situation? What helps you stay calm when your partner is angry with you and ranting at you? Are there any helpful coping mechanisms or calming techniques I can practise to deal with this sort of conflict?

Thanks in advance!

OP posts:
teenmaw · 17/06/2025 06:05

My older teenage daughter now doesn’t leave the house (which her dad no longer lives in) because I stayed too long with an identical animal and she is terrified of men and the world they are in. Major fuck up on my part. I stayed for all the same reasons you did, I wish someone told me the damage I was doing. Don’t make the mistake i did…staying is not for the sake of the children so please take that excuse off the table and re-evaluate.

Whyherewego · 17/06/2025 06:07

This sounds very tough OP.

You have young kids, what happens when they get older and forget to turn off the tap. Or they are teens and answer back and are rude.

If you can, maybe you need to sit down with him when he's calm and tell him that you want to go to couples counselling. Ideally he'd be going on his own but step 1 ... you can put it as an "us" problem about arguing and not wanting the kids to grow up in this environment. That's probably your only hope really as he clearly doesnt understand or see the problem at all.

This is assuming you want to stay and work this through. But this is not healthy for you or kids. You know this i think

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/06/2025 06:15

Couples counselling is not recommended when there is abuse of any type within the relationship. These types of men do not go to counselling willingly if at all. Abusive people will just dominate the session and make it out to be the OPs fault. There is nothing to stay for nor to work through.

Abuse is not a relationship issue but is about power and control. OP needs to free herself and her kids from their abuser.

Enrichetta · 17/06/2025 06:24

@AnOverwhelmedMum - there is a book you should read….. WHY DOES HE DO THAT, by Lundy Bancroft. Free PDF online.

arcticpandas · 17/06/2025 06:30

Enrichetta · 17/06/2025 06:24

@AnOverwhelmedMum - there is a book you should read….. WHY DOES HE DO THAT, by Lundy Bancroft. Free PDF online.

She doesn't need to know why. She just needs to LTB.

CurlewKate · 17/06/2025 06:30

Stop thinking he’s a great dad. He isn’t. He is abusing the children’s mother. He is teaching them how relationships work- do you want them growing up thinking this is normal and repeating the same pattern in their own lives? I see someone has already linked to Women’s Aid. Please, please look at their website and get in touch.

Enrichetta · 17/06/2025 06:33

arcticpandas · 17/06/2025 06:30

She doesn't need to know why. She just needs to LTB.

It will take more than a bunch of Mumsnetters telling her to leave him for her to actually leave him. The book explains way more than the ‘why’.

edited to add: Talking to Women’s Aid would definitely also be a good idea!

Tangelablue · 17/06/2025 06:35

A good dad does not turn the home into a hostile, aggressive environment which with have a huge impact on your children's happiness and development. If you want your children to thrive and be happy when they need to be away from this man.
You say you are staying for your family, I don't understand the thinking behind this. would their dad be calmer living alone?

Goodlorditssummer · 17/06/2025 06:37

Agree with @Enrichetta read that book. But actually? The person who needs to read it most is him. He isn’t shouting at you because “he loves deeply” he’s shouting at you for control - of you and because he’s choosing not to control himself. Does he shout like this at work, at his friends, at his parents? Or just you? I’d bet my house it’s just you.
In a calm moment, sit him down and tell him you are not prepared to continue with this behaviour. He either gets help, which he sources and attends himself immediately or you are leaving him. And bloody mean it. You cannot fix him, he has to sort this out himself because it is 100% his problem. This is unacceptable for you or your children, he is damaging all of you with his behaviour. If he refuses or doesn’t fully engage? You know what you need to do, because he is openly telling you he isn’t prepared to change.

Fuzziduck · 17/06/2025 06:40

It’s not that he likes the back and forth, it’s that he wants you submissive.

Take your life back. If you wouldn’t pick him again, don’t pick him now. Show your children this is not acceptable.

BellissimoGecko · 17/06/2025 06:41

ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 17/06/2025 00:50

He can get angry over little things - like if I ran the tap too much, or scuffed the paintwork, or cook something wrong, or didn’t dress right etc etc.

Based on this alone, he is abusive. You've written paragraph after paragraph trying to rationalise what can't be rationalised. The only solution is to leave him. Your children will be damaged by his behaviour if you stay.

This.

these are NOT normal things to get angry about.

He is abusive.

Your poor kids. They didn’t choose this. Please put them above this controlling, possessive, angry man.

RicardoOrchard · 17/06/2025 06:44

As a PP said - you HAVE to show your children this is not acceptable.

Just focus on that and gradually the rest will fall into place (ie you’ll find the strength to leave him). Good luck OP.

FamilyPhoto · 17/06/2025 06:45

Its textbooks cycle of abuse.
"There are three different phases: the honeymoon phase, the tension-building phase, and the explosion phase. The entire goal for this cycle is to keep the survivor on edge and to obtain power and control over the relationship."

Loubylie · 17/06/2025 06:47

Lots of sensible advice here.
You can't live like this. There is no way of coping with it without losing your mind ... which also affects your body. Your children need a mother who is sane and healthy so you need to divorce your abusive husband as soon as possible.
See a solicitor and find out what your financial situation will look like when you divorce. Then make plans.

GuevarasBeret · 17/06/2025 06:49

He’s very caring and overly so - he feels too much and wants me to give him so much attention and care than I am capable of and I honestly have time for.. His point is that he pays a lot of attention to everything, and expects me to do the same for him. He loves very deeply and possessively, and in turn expects a lot. So in his mind he naturally feels hurt when I’m doing something that he doesn’t like.

This is the lie you have invested in.

His actions aren’t about you- they are about an inadequacy in him. Everything is a threat to his sense of himself so that any resource you are not directing at him makes him rage. He doesn’t actually love you- he wants to emotionally leech off you because he has no capacity to makes himself happy. He doesn’t know how to.

Having been in your position I will tell you that it gets progressively worse, he will shout at you like this when you are frail and in your eighties.
Don’t give the example that this is how you get treated. They will join in your abuse before you know it.
Don’t set this as sample for your children as to how relationships work. They will get dumped hard and regularly for his shit. And if they are on the receiving end - well they learned it at home, but won’t thank you.
Your husband is a fucking animal, and you should leave him.

SparklyGlitterballs · 17/06/2025 06:51

Wow, he's really abusive. Is he behaving like this in front of the children? If he isn't, it shows he has the ability to control himself, but is choosing to abuse you when you're alone. If he is like this in their presence then think of the damage he's doing and what he's teaching them.

At most I'd give him the opportunity to seek therapy to deal with his anger and controlling ways, but I doubt it'd help because it sounds as though he's been like this for far too long and it's ingrained. Best thing you could do is divorce him and one day find that person who is calmer, like you. If you stay, then eventually he'll start treating the children in the same way.

MadamCholetsbonnet · 17/06/2025 06:51

LTB

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 17/06/2025 06:53

How does it help your kids and extended family for you to suffer constant abuse from this man? You’ve raised your concerns, explained your needs and the changes you need from him, and he hasn’t listened, he doesn’t care. He’s happy to keep using you as his emotional punching bag. Neither of you appear to care about the impact of this on your children.

What is your financial situation, are you able to rent a house and move out with the kids? Please do give women’s aid a call. I really feel for you, I also can’t cope with people shouting and clam up. No one should have to cope with this, you’re right that it’s unacceptable and that you can’t change him.

UpsideDownChairs · 17/06/2025 06:55

He loves very deeply and possessively, and in turn expects a lot. So in his mind he naturally feels hurt when I’m doing something that he doesn’t like.

And yet, when he does something that actively upsets you, that's fine?

His words are not matching his deeds OP

What would you say to your children once they're grown if you saw their partner speaking to them this way? What if your children start acting this way? What if he starts picking on the children in this way?

Please call Women's Aid, get the Freedom program (just reading the (short) book would be good) - I really think you need to get free of this, but you're too deep in it to realise right now.

When I escaped my (no-where near as bad) manipulative ex, I remember having conversations with friends and mentioning little things he did that annoyed me - and the look of horror on their faces told me that this things really weren't little, I'd just grown used to letting him do whatever he wanted and sorting everything out later without him.

sheepandbear · 17/06/2025 06:56

My goodness, word for word, this was my life. I just ignored the yelling and ranting as long as it was aimed at me and not the kids. As they got older, they argued back so it got worse. I utterly despised him by the end.

I did finally chuck him out. It took way longer than it should have but I the relief was immense. My kids were super happy and supportive about it and honestly, divorce was the best decision I ever made!

Wish I’d acted sooner in my thirties rather than forties. This kind of behavior isn’t something that can change. It’s just who he is and he doesn’t see that he’s in the wrong.
Honestly, I would really advise you to get him out now and enjoy the peace and quiet of not walking on eggshells.

(The other day, I scraped the side of my car and immediately panicked at the thought of the temper tantrum that would ensue. Then remembered, that isn’t my life any more. Annoying but that’s life and the scrape is not the end of the world!)

FortyElephants · 17/06/2025 06:56

arcticpandas · 17/06/2025 06:30

She doesn't need to know why. She just needs to LTB.

No, she needs to understand that this is abuse and that she can't do anything about it, and she needs to learn about the impact on children, which is why it's important she reads that book.

Zanatdy · 17/06/2025 06:57

He is abusive. Your DC are growing up in an abusive household. They are probably always on edge. I still get nervous when I hear raised voice and i’m in my late 40’s. I know women often believe staying is in the best interests of the child, but often it’s not, and growing up afraid of the next kick off can have life long damaging consequences. Please consider leaving, if not for yourself, but for them.

arcticpandas · 17/06/2025 06:59

FortyElephants · 17/06/2025 06:56

No, she needs to understand that this is abuse and that she can't do anything about it, and she needs to learn about the impact on children, which is why it's important she reads that book.

OK, my bad. I thought it was a book aimed at understanding the person who's nasty and to help him.

Jollyjollyjollygoodie · 17/06/2025 07:04

Yes I’ve been in a similar situation. Eventually the intense resentment over his behaviour killed completely my feelings for him. In fact love turned to hate. I told him to leave. He didn’t want to, he slept on the sofa and I could hear him crying but it didn’t sway me. I’d been seeing my GP for support and he said his behaviour was suffocating us all. After he left the children’s asthma improved considerably and our lives were so much better.

Get your ducks in a row. This can only end one way. 💐

Shouldhavedonesomethingbefore · 17/06/2025 07:09

I could have written almost every word of this. Please trust the part of you that’s saying his behaviour is wrong and start making plans to leave. Talk to a solicitor - you can get some free initial advice - or look for what benefits you could get. Call Women’s Aid. Read Patricia Evans - ‘The Verbally Abusive Relationship’.

Please don’t do what I did. I stayed. He was never violent. He was fine most of the time. No one else saw that side of him. Now, 20 years on, I am trying to find the strength to go and it’s so much harder because I stayed for so long.

Men like this have no reason to change. You can turn yourself upside down and inside out trying to make it happen but there’s no reason for them too.