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Husband Doesn’t Talk

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Sj26 · 21/04/2025 15:45

Does anyone else have a husband that doesn’t talk or make conversation ever? We can be sat at home he doesn’t speak, on a 3 hour drive and just stares out window. He never starts a conversation and if I do I just get very short replies. After 15 years I’m really struggling with it now.

OP posts:
Neveranynamesleft · 21/04/2025 18:57

Ask yourself what exactly you get out of this ' relationship". Do you seriously want to spend the rest of your life living in that situation ? You say you have no money but if you both own your home you will surely be entitled to something should you split ?

Sj26 · 21/04/2025 19:00

Neveranynamesleft · 21/04/2025 18:57

Ask yourself what exactly you get out of this ' relationship". Do you seriously want to spend the rest of your life living in that situation ? You say you have no money but if you both own your home you will surely be entitled to something should you split ?

Yes definitely equity in the house. But I find that if we say try separating but staying in the house we just end up falling back into old patterns.

OP posts:
Neveranynamesleft · 21/04/2025 19:10

Separating but staying in the house would be pointless.

Maitri108 · 21/04/2025 19:13

Sj26 · 21/04/2025 19:00

Yes definitely equity in the house. But I find that if we say try separating but staying in the house we just end up falling back into old patterns.

Make an appointment with a solicitor and find out where you stand financially in the event of a divorce. You might find wikivorce helpful and the CABx website has lots of information.

Gingerbread have a good helpline for anything regarding finances, co parenting and other issues.

Clockface8 · 22/04/2025 07:23

So when the two of you aren’t in a discontent silence, you’re arguing or he’s blaming you about something.

And your reasoning for carrying on enduring this is the children?

BitOutOfPractice · 22/04/2025 07:30

You keep mentioning “other stuff” op. What?

Littlebrick · 23/04/2025 16:01

This is the type of relationship that will limp on indefinitely and the OP will end up on gransnet talking about how unhappy she is with her now monosyllabic retired husband and it’s just the two of them under the same roof as both kids adults (and choose to go to in-laws for Christmas because of the tension between their parents)

It if you don’t want the above happening, go by the last decade as evidence he’s not going to change

notatinydancer · 23/04/2025 18:47

@Sj26how did you end up married , did he propose ?
What about when you were dating ? Did you discuss big life events like having children and buying a house ?
What is your housing situation ?

Morningwasbrokenbuthasnowbeenrepaired · 23/04/2025 22:07

Sj26 · 21/04/2025 17:56

Were there any other factors to you leaving, I feel so selfish thinking of leaving. There are other things that have happened in the past too

Yes, there were.

I was quite young and inexperienced when we got together and hadn't given much thought to who I really was, what I wanted out of life or in a partner. I fell in love and just did what people do: move in together, get engaged, married and have children.

I remember very clearly thinking to myself that he didn't seem to have much to say if I didn't start the conversation before we were married but I just brushed it off. And I was in love, had low self-esteem and had had some shockingly bad models of marriage in my childhood so it didn't occur to me that I could leave him for something so seemingly insignificant.

Slowly, over the years, I came to think that he wasn't actually interested in me as a person. It was as if I served a function. As long as things stayed very surface level, as long as I didn't ask for too much emotionally, it worked for him.

He had no desire to know what I thought, or felt, or dreamed about. I felt like he didn't really care about who I was, my inner world, my soul. I felt unseen, unheard and very lonely. But again, my low self-esteem made me think I was just too needy.

I also realised that he was also quite selfish. This became more obvious after we had children. He really did seem to see himself as the most important person in the family. Nothing truly awful but just lots of examples of a lack of consideration, taking things (me) for granted, letting me carry the emotional load for everything, checking out of family life.

I tried many times to tell him I was lonely, not happy with the way things were but nothing ever changed. He was "fine". Told me this is what real, grown-up relationships are like. Again, I felt that I must be too needy, too demanding.

I became more and more unhappy, resentful.
We grew further and further apart.

It took me a long time to leave. I remember googling, trying to get advice on divorce, in 2016 (that's how I discovered Mumsnet actually) but although I was unhappy I couldn't imagine ever leaving. I gradually became really quite depressed to the point where I actually thought I might be losing my mind with all the cognitive disonance of feeling so unhappy in my marriage but him saying everything was fine, he couldn't see what the problem was. Add in sick/aging parents, struggling/challenging teenagers, peromenopause...I hit rock bottom but still couldn't bring myself to leave.

i did, however, get some long-overdue therapy, just for me, and it saved my sanity and helped me grow strong enough to finally decide.

I saw a solicitor for some free advice in 2022 but I still wasn't ready. I agonized for months. and finally told him I thought our marriage had run its course in 2023 but he asked me to stay and to really try and work on it so I did. To give him credit, he really did make an effort but it came far too late for me. After about four months I just knew it wasn't going to be enough so I told him I wanted a divorce and this time he didn't try and stop me.

I still love him, as the father of my children and the man I married and spent 25 years of my life with. But I've changed, grown and need more than he can give me, and want a different type of relationship to the kind he's happy with and I accepted for so long. I wish him well, miss him in many ways, and I'm still grieving our old life as a family, even if it was dysfunctional. But...I am not stuck in that lonely place with no hope of it ever changing.

I have since met someone new, quite by chance. Neither of us were looking for anything but became friends initially. He is so kind, warm, caring, supportive, emotionally intelligent. We talk for hours about anything and everything, and we communicate honestly and openly. We each take care to be respectful and considerate. I feel seen, loved, cherished, desired. We're taking it slowly and are making no promises of forever but we're committed to each other right now. It would be wrong to compare a year-long love affair, where we don't live together or have to deal with the day-to-day, with marriage of half a lifetime with all the typical trials. Both of us are older and wiser than my husband and I were when we met. And I have no idea if it will last. But this is so, so much easier, so much more fulfilling. I don't feel lonely, and I don't feel needy.

I didn't mean to write a novel, but wanted to say that you're not wrong to want more.

TheHerboriste · 23/04/2025 22:14

Sj26 · 21/04/2025 16:02

Yes two young children. He’s a great dad but not a great partner

He is FAR from a great dad if he treats their mother like a piece of furniture. They are absorbing this.

NCForThatForumM · 23/04/2025 22:19

Sj26 · 21/04/2025 15:45

Does anyone else have a husband that doesn’t talk or make conversation ever? We can be sat at home he doesn’t speak, on a 3 hour drive and just stares out window. He never starts a conversation and if I do I just get very short replies. After 15 years I’m really struggling with it now.

I don't talk to my wife.

Anything I say is wrong. Any question I ask in response to something she says to me leads to an impatient response.

So I keep quiet, never start a conversation and answer direct questions with grunts or the most 'closed' response I can think of.

Pretty sure it's learned behaviour on her part. Her parents talk to each other as though they despise each other, I think she just thinks that's how married people talk to each other.

So probably the first question to ask yourself, is how easy are you to talk to?

Maplesy10 · 23/04/2025 22:43

OP, take your time and focus your energy on making plans.
Your children will absorb and understand this.
Above all else, bar the basic necessities of life, coming from a happy loving marriage is the greatest gift we can giftvour children.

As the adults of a happy marriage, they carry their upbringing lightly with them, unlike those who don't.

MereNoelle · 23/04/2025 22:45

NCForThatForumM · 23/04/2025 22:19

I don't talk to my wife.

Anything I say is wrong. Any question I ask in response to something she says to me leads to an impatient response.

So I keep quiet, never start a conversation and answer direct questions with grunts or the most 'closed' response I can think of.

Pretty sure it's learned behaviour on her part. Her parents talk to each other as though they despise each other, I think she just thinks that's how married people talk to each other.

So probably the first question to ask yourself, is how easy are you to talk to?

Why are you still with her? And don’t say ‘for the kids’, as that’s a toxic environment to bring children up in.

NCForThatForumM · 23/04/2025 23:00

MereNoelle · 23/04/2025 22:45

Why are you still with her? And don’t say ‘for the kids’, as that’s a toxic environment to bring children up in.

For the kids.

It's not ideal, but there are no pitched rows, we don't argue.

So they're not learning how a married couple communicate but apart from that I don't think they're being especially damaged. ...and I'm a pretty good example to them of cheerful and friendly communication in my interactions with them, which would be gone if I was gone.

So swings and roundabouts.

If I thought my remaining meant they were being damaged or were unhappy I'd go like a shot.

Maitri108 · 23/04/2025 23:07

NCForThatForumM · 23/04/2025 23:00

For the kids.

It's not ideal, but there are no pitched rows, we don't argue.

So they're not learning how a married couple communicate but apart from that I don't think they're being especially damaged. ...and I'm a pretty good example to them of cheerful and friendly communication in my interactions with them, which would be gone if I was gone.

So swings and roundabouts.

If I thought my remaining meant they were being damaged or were unhappy I'd go like a shot.

Have you spoken to them about it? Do they like the atmosphere at home?

NCForThatForumM · 23/04/2025 23:48

Maitri108 · 23/04/2025 23:07

Have you spoken to them about it? Do they like the atmosphere at home?

I've spoken to them about it a lot in the past (like ~300 times) and blew my top twice, in ten years.

Blowing my top really worked. Each time for about a fortnight she became a normal person but then slipped back into it.

Talking to her made no difference at all. Just lots of quibbling with the terms I used in order to dodge the issue, like "I wasn't angry, I was agitated" . She did once say that she noticed her parents talking to each other like they despised each other so I'm pretty sure she knows she does it and she knows why she does it but she's never acknowledged it.

Another thing I noticed was, I would say "I think we should be nice to each other.".and she never, ever said "Yes, we should be nice to each other." I thought that was really telling. How could anyone not enthusiastically agree to the statement "I think we should be never to each other."? I asked that a few times and again, she just dodged it.

If someone else is about she just becomes a normal person. So if friends are staying we have, what I regard as total normality - cheerful, friendly communication.

Maitri108 · 23/04/2025 23:54

@NCForThatForumM I meant your children. Have you discussed the atmosphere in the house with your children?

sleepbabyirl · 24/04/2025 00:04

That’s really sad OP. You need to leave. There’s so much more to life…do you have a sexual relationship?

NCForThatForumM · 24/04/2025 00:06

Maitri108 · 23/04/2025 23:54

@NCForThatForumM I meant your children. Have you discussed the atmosphere in the house with your children?

Nope. I hope it isn't noticable to them. I'm very chatty and friendly with them, they're a doddle to get on with. We have a fantastic relationship. All bantz and laughter.

If they ever asked I'd be 100% honest about everything, but I don't plan to bring it up.

ManualNeeded · 24/04/2025 00:06

sorry to hear this sj26. But I totally get you. I’m in a very similar situation here. And just to note, my dh has autism, which 100% means chit chat and general conversation is hard (other than when related to topics he is interested in such as bike gear change mechanism or routes to walk from a to b on a mountain ridge)…. It’s very lonely.

Maitri108 · 24/04/2025 00:36

NCForThatForumM · 24/04/2025 00:06

Nope. I hope it isn't noticable to them. I'm very chatty and friendly with them, they're a doddle to get on with. We have a fantastic relationship. All bantz and laughter.

If they ever asked I'd be 100% honest about everything, but I don't plan to bring it up.

Yet you say you don't talk to your wife. You say that because you talk and have 'bantz', they don't notice the atmosphere.

Do you think they haven't noticed the resentment you have towards their mother? You've described a pretty fractious relationship.

NCForThatForumM · 24/04/2025 06:15

Maitri108 · 24/04/2025 00:36

Yet you say you don't talk to your wife. You say that because you talk and have 'bantz', they don't notice the atmosphere.

Do you think they haven't noticed the resentment you have towards their mother? You've described a pretty fractious relationship.

I think they don't notice.

There's not much to notice. I just keep myself to myself in the way I described.

It's only fractious if I talk to her which gives her something to be fractious about. I just don't provide the ammunition.

If there were frequent rows or arguments I'd take a different view on what was best for the children.

Curioushoney · 24/04/2025 07:57

Morningwasbrokenbuthasnowbeenrepaired · 23/04/2025 22:07

Yes, there were.

I was quite young and inexperienced when we got together and hadn't given much thought to who I really was, what I wanted out of life or in a partner. I fell in love and just did what people do: move in together, get engaged, married and have children.

I remember very clearly thinking to myself that he didn't seem to have much to say if I didn't start the conversation before we were married but I just brushed it off. And I was in love, had low self-esteem and had had some shockingly bad models of marriage in my childhood so it didn't occur to me that I could leave him for something so seemingly insignificant.

Slowly, over the years, I came to think that he wasn't actually interested in me as a person. It was as if I served a function. As long as things stayed very surface level, as long as I didn't ask for too much emotionally, it worked for him.

He had no desire to know what I thought, or felt, or dreamed about. I felt like he didn't really care about who I was, my inner world, my soul. I felt unseen, unheard and very lonely. But again, my low self-esteem made me think I was just too needy.

I also realised that he was also quite selfish. This became more obvious after we had children. He really did seem to see himself as the most important person in the family. Nothing truly awful but just lots of examples of a lack of consideration, taking things (me) for granted, letting me carry the emotional load for everything, checking out of family life.

I tried many times to tell him I was lonely, not happy with the way things were but nothing ever changed. He was "fine". Told me this is what real, grown-up relationships are like. Again, I felt that I must be too needy, too demanding.

I became more and more unhappy, resentful.
We grew further and further apart.

It took me a long time to leave. I remember googling, trying to get advice on divorce, in 2016 (that's how I discovered Mumsnet actually) but although I was unhappy I couldn't imagine ever leaving. I gradually became really quite depressed to the point where I actually thought I might be losing my mind with all the cognitive disonance of feeling so unhappy in my marriage but him saying everything was fine, he couldn't see what the problem was. Add in sick/aging parents, struggling/challenging teenagers, peromenopause...I hit rock bottom but still couldn't bring myself to leave.

i did, however, get some long-overdue therapy, just for me, and it saved my sanity and helped me grow strong enough to finally decide.

I saw a solicitor for some free advice in 2022 but I still wasn't ready. I agonized for months. and finally told him I thought our marriage had run its course in 2023 but he asked me to stay and to really try and work on it so I did. To give him credit, he really did make an effort but it came far too late for me. After about four months I just knew it wasn't going to be enough so I told him I wanted a divorce and this time he didn't try and stop me.

I still love him, as the father of my children and the man I married and spent 25 years of my life with. But I've changed, grown and need more than he can give me, and want a different type of relationship to the kind he's happy with and I accepted for so long. I wish him well, miss him in many ways, and I'm still grieving our old life as a family, even if it was dysfunctional. But...I am not stuck in that lonely place with no hope of it ever changing.

I have since met someone new, quite by chance. Neither of us were looking for anything but became friends initially. He is so kind, warm, caring, supportive, emotionally intelligent. We talk for hours about anything and everything, and we communicate honestly and openly. We each take care to be respectful and considerate. I feel seen, loved, cherished, desired. We're taking it slowly and are making no promises of forever but we're committed to each other right now. It would be wrong to compare a year-long love affair, where we don't live together or have to deal with the day-to-day, with marriage of half a lifetime with all the typical trials. Both of us are older and wiser than my husband and I were when we met. And I have no idea if it will last. But this is so, so much easier, so much more fulfilling. I don't feel lonely, and I don't feel needy.

I didn't mean to write a novel, but wanted to say that you're not wrong to want more.

I’m confused
are you the op?

Curioushoney · 24/04/2025 07:58

Sj26 · 21/04/2025 17:56

Were there any other factors to you leaving, I feel so selfish thinking of leaving. There are other things that have happened in the past too

I would argue that it would be much much more selfish to stay.

This is no life for you and absolute hell for your children, but worse than that - it will skew their entire sense of marriage

Kattuccino · 24/04/2025 08:05

NCForThatForumM · 24/04/2025 06:15

I think they don't notice.

There's not much to notice. I just keep myself to myself in the way I described.

It's only fractious if I talk to her which gives her something to be fractious about. I just don't provide the ammunition.

If there were frequent rows or arguments I'd take a different view on what was best for the children.

Edited

But if you think your wife's parents' communication style has negatively affected her (to the point where she can't hold a nice, friendly conversation with her husband) then surely you can see that the same will be happening to your DC?