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Am I doing the right thing believing him?

107 replies

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 07:35

I say believing him...I really mean, taking his word for it and trying to get past the hurt and nagging doubt.

We've been together for two years but it's been fairly casual. Not intentionally; he wants more and always has but I'm not in the right head space to be getting into a serious relationship.

Around two weeks ago we slept together. We were 'together' at that point but the following week I ended things, over a few things from the past playing on my mind and my doubt that I can give him a 'proper' relationship. This has happened before and we usually get through it. After a few days I realise I still care and can't be without him etc.

Anyway. This time, we had a bit of a row and I said some things that upset him (he's a people pleaser and I called him weak, snapped at him for "going on" about his hayfever when really he was just being chatty but I over reacted).

I then blocked him. Again, done before as it's the only way I can stop myself contacting him and he knows this.

On the Saturday he dropped some flowers outside my door with a note asking to talk, which I ignored.

The following Friday we got talking again. I didn't know what I wanted at this point but he was saying he still felt I'd been the love of his life, wanted to try again, etc.

We carried on talking via text message and then I mentioned something about his social awkwardness (which he admits he suffers with). He then told me that he'd joined an app and started talking to someone to check he isn't as 'weird' as I seem to think he is.
Obviously I knew the someone was a woman, he admitted it was and it transpired that he had joined an app called BeFriend (so not tinder or anything obvious dating app), swiped and matched on a few people and this one matched him back. This was on the Thursday, so the day before we got talking again and five days after he'd left the flowers at my door :/

He told me she had asked to come off the app and onto WhatsApp but swore it was just intended as friends and he was "using her as a science experiment" to practice social skills, conversation and see if this woman flagged him up as weird or not. He said the conversation seemed to be going well so either he was normal or she was being overly nice to him for no reason. I got upset and asked to see the conversations and he did show me.

It looked an easy, comfortable conversation... he started off by making a joke about wanting to say "how you doing?" Like Joey from Friends, she laughed and said he could if he wants to, he said he liked her nose ring and wanted a tattoo himself one day, she thanked him and said it hurt as she's such a baby and "maybe now is your time to get one" meaning a tattoo...his reply was "I saw the word baby and maybe now is your time to get one and thought, hold on love, that's a bit fast 🫣😆", to which her reply was she's in no rush as she already has two. He also asked if she had a partner (he says as he isn't what to tread on anyone's toes) and said he was divorced after two years of separation but didn't mention the year long relationship with me after the separation, which I found weird if he only wants friends. She also sent him photos of her children on WhatsApp and they talked for a couple of hours every evening. When I went to see him on Saturday (after I'd found out about all this) he was still in the middle of a whatsapp chat with her. Anyway I basically told him to block and delete her and come off the app and he did.

He now wants to try again properly, saying she was genuinely just a friends thing and to see if he can still talk to people.

I know we technically weren't together when he 'met' her but it hurts a fair bit and I keep thinking about although he was blocked, clearly I can't mean very much to him if he wasn't thinking about me the whole three days he was messaging her.

He seemed convincing when he was talking about not fancying her, not being interested in a relationship or dating and it was purely friends.

Should I even care, as we technically weren't together at the time?

OP posts:
WYSISYG40 · 10/03/2025 09:37

I'm sorry , but you don't sound as if you should be any relationship .
Learn how to be nicer to people and leave him be .

BobbyBiscuits · 10/03/2025 09:38

If you don't want a serious relationship and he does then stop speaking to him. He is being led on by your antics and you're using him for your own amusement.
He wants more than friendship or FWB and you know it, so stop dangling the possibility over his head like a carrot then hitting him with a stick like an abused dog!
You're treating him appallingly.

Dozycuntlaters · 10/03/2025 09:38

Just leave him alone to get on with his life. You don't want him, you just don't want anyone else to have him in case you change your mind. Getting with him, dumping him, blocking him, picking up with him again.....it's just bloody cruel. You're clearly not into him, and you can't force feelings to make yourself think
that you are.

If you're not in a place to commit then don't start a relationship. Simple.

Dery · 10/03/2025 09:44

Your update doesn’t change things, OP. There’s been two years of this toxic carry-on. If you were right for each other, you’d have worked this out way more quickly.

He’s clearly got unhealthy relationship paradigms because he’s allowing himself to be jerked around by you and he’s convinced himself you’re the one he wants.

Your relationship paradigms are clearly poor too, because you’ve blown hot and cold for a couple of years apparently without any insight into how poor your behaviour is.

Healthy relationships don’t have this kind of endless drama. You’re wrong for each other.

InALonelyWorld · 10/03/2025 09:45

This isnt about trust. By your own account you ended things, blocked him and went NC for a period of time. To me that would signal that the "relationship" is over. This sounds like a case of "you don't want him but don't want anyone else to have him". He didn't mention your relationship to this girl because by your words you weren't even in a serious one.

You said yourself that its you who wants it to be "casual" because your not in the right headspace but you continue to string him along with hope. You're diminishing his self esteem when he's with you. You block him because you "want him to move on". You blame him for the fact that you're emotionally abusing and bullying him.

I'm not condoning him using this poor girl as an experiment (maybe he's not using her) but good on him for starting to question the fact of whether he does have issues or if its simply just YOU who is trying to break his character.

If I was him I'd run to the other end of the planet away from you. The way you treat him is actually disgusting and I hope this other girl has given him some sort of boost that tells him he deserves way more than you. It's sad that you are trying to reel him back in, probably just to punish him further.

HardenYourHeart · 10/03/2025 09:48

OP, you are clearly not in a position to be in a relationship, any relationship. Stop dating and start seeing a therapist.

mindutopia · 10/03/2025 09:49

You definitely need to end this kindly, poor guy. It sounds like he wants a proper relationship and you’ve knocked his confidence so much. You aren’t in the right headspace and you need to take the high road here. You also need to won yourself as you definitely have some relationship issues.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 10/03/2025 09:56

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 07:44

You need to stop treating him so poorly then reeling him back in again after you've dumped him. Your behaviour is emotionally abusive. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere, you're fucking with his head.

😭😭😭 I'm rooting for this man's freedom from you, @Swiftkitty

You treat him badly and he needs to fix himself without using women as a social experiment

Both of you need to work on yourselves.

Sunat45degrees · 10/03/2025 10:02

You both sound awful. YOu don't seem to have a nice thing to say about him, tell him how awful he is all the time. And he is off using other women as social experiements. YOu should both just move on from each other.

Coconutter24 · 10/03/2025 10:03

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 09:05

Hi everyone. No, your replies are actually making me feel much better about committing to him, actually.

I have been emotionally abusive and have told him so as 'reason' for blocking - to allow him to move on but the problem is I know he didn't want that - we've known each other a very long time and he's always saying that I'm all he's ever wanted, etc etc and I feel awful that I can't give him what he needs.

Having said that, I did trust him completely at the beginning of the relationship but later found out that he had withheld some information to do with his ex wife (level of contact he was having with her and him telling me he had told her about us but he actually hadn't), and this info came out in dribs and drabs, and only when I questioned him, he'd change his story so I'd push further and he'd finally admit he has lied to me 'to protect us'.

“I then blocked him. Again, done before as it's the only way I can stop myself contacting him and he knows this.”

You say you block him to stop yourself messaging him but then because posters aren’t thinking you’re the one hard done by you then make out like you block for his sake

“have told him so as 'reason' for blocking - to allow him to move on but the problem is I know he didn't want that”

No, your replies are actually making me feel much better about committing to him, actually.

From comments you’ve got have you come to the conclusion on the quote above? The best thing to do would be to leave him for good let him move on and find someone who won’t mess with his head and feelings. I don’t say this lightly but your coming across narcissistic

Eyesopenwideawake · 10/03/2025 10:05

Get yourself some professional help before you even consider a relationship with anyone.

SnoopysHoose · 10/03/2025 10:17

Typical abuser, blocks him, pulls him back, blocks him and now her pride is wounded because he's talking to another woman.
Nasty piece of work, I'm so glad MN are seeing OP for what she is rather than twisting themselves in knots to blame the man.

Nevertrustacop · 10/03/2025 10:24

Oh God! So many words.
Leave the poor man alone and grow up.

Cardinalita90 · 10/03/2025 10:38

Putting aside your appalling behaviour, if you were interested in him seriously you wouldn't keep going hot and cold. Psychoanalyse it all you want but you're not happy with him and if you care about him on any level, let him get on and spend his life with someone who appreciates and wants him. Block and keep him blocked.

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 10:42

I love him. He was my best friend since we were both 18 and we only cut contact when he got married because his wife didn't like our friendship and thought there was more there.

But he's lied so much and this was before I started blocking him - the blocking was always triggered by me finding out yet another fact he hadn't told me before - sharing a bed with his ex wife on an overnight stay when he told me it was a day trip, or telling me he thought the woman that used to stay over at his friends house (where he was also living at the time) fancied him, or when she couldn't go on a holiday he and his mates had planned - until he confirmed his booking then suddenly she could go, lying to his ex wife about sleeping with me and saying I was just a friend (this was after a year of us being together).

And each time I find out something new I assume he's a dick, end it and he begs so I end up blocking. Then I miss him so I unblock and attempt to give it another go because he thinks he's autistic and he's clearly for weird views and boundaries, so I think maybe he wasn't lying to be manipulative and believe his side of the story. Then find something else out, as was the case with him joining this app.

He could've told me about joining the app and talking to her on Friday when we were talking and before our argument but chose not to. I only blocked him on Friday evening... and unblocked again yesterday.

I just worry that if I trust and believe that all these lies and dodgy behaviour are a symptom of his autism and intended purely and he's just demonstrating poor judgement, I'll be screwed over and end up hurt.

But I do realise how much I'm affecting him. I really do. I've told him so many times I can't give him what he needs and when I apologised for getting him to block that girl and that actually he's shown himself he CAN connect with someone that isn't me, he says "I don't care about her. I was just using her, I don't even fancy her". So... Yeah. I don't know.

OP posts:
SwerveCity · 10/03/2025 10:43

End things. It’s not going to work and you seem to be stringing him along.

On another note, why did he try to open a conversation wanting to be just friends with someone using a line that is obviously a flirtatious thing, Joey only says “how you doing” to people he finds hot.

HowardTJMoon · 10/03/2025 10:44

Leave. Him. Alone.

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 10:45

Cardinalita90 · 10/03/2025 10:38

Putting aside your appalling behaviour, if you were interested in him seriously you wouldn't keep going hot and cold. Psychoanalyse it all you want but you're not happy with him and if you care about him on any level, let him get on and spend his life with someone who appreciates and wants him. Block and keep him blocked.

I know. I just get a gut feeling that there's something off about him and he's going to hurt me and that if I trust that the lies etc weren't done to hurt me but it turns out I'm wrong and he is manipulative or abusive, then I'll end up heartbroken.

But I'm being manipulative and abusive as a reaction to my fear. I know that sounds like bullshit but it's how I feel

I desperately want to trust him as I know we could work, but what if he is just a liar that will constantly talk to other women behind my back?

OP posts:
Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 10:46

SwerveCity · 10/03/2025 10:43

End things. It’s not going to work and you seem to be stringing him along.

On another note, why did he try to open a conversation wanting to be just friends with someone using a line that is obviously a flirtatious thing, Joey only says “how you doing” to people he finds hot.

That's what I said. He looked bemused and said he was trying to be funny. It's also one of the first things he said to me when we were younger.

OP posts:
aCatCalledFawkes · 10/03/2025 10:49

Blocking and unblocking is such childish behaviour. You block people you don't want to speak to again, you don't keep using it to hurt someone.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 10/03/2025 10:49

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 07:44

You need to stop treating him so poorly then reeling him back in again after you've dumped him. Your behaviour is emotionally abusive. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere, you're fucking with his head.

first post nails it.

if you have a shred of decency you should cut this guy loose.

then go get some therapy.

TwistedWonder · 10/03/2025 11:06

You are a textbook narcissistic abuser. Every update you get worse turning DARVO blaming him and making it all about you. In fact you’re wearing your appalling behaviour as a badge of honour

Let the poor bloke free to get on with life without your toxicity

If this was a man treating a woman this way everyone would be saying dump him and do the freedom programme - that would be my advice to him

Tiswa · 10/03/2025 11:10

If you were suppose to be it would be a hell of a lot easier than this - this isn’t a relationship either of you need and his belief that his version of you is his soulmate is just wrong

your toxic enmeshed relationship isn’t good for either of you

AutumnFroglets · 10/03/2025 11:14

I love him.

No, you don't. You really, really don't. Nobody abuses someone they love. Cherish, respect and support but not abuse or manipulate.

Stop fucking with his head. Find a different sport.

Jolpie · 10/03/2025 11:15

It’s fine to blame him for the lying being the reason why you don’t want to be with him anymore. What’s not fine is knowing you don’t trust him and keep doing this cycle over and over to him.

Even if it’s reactive abuse it’s still emotional abuse. Even if you both are abusing each other emotionally you need to end things it’s toxic. It doesn’t matter anymore who did what to who YOU DONT WORK AS A COUPLE. You cannot function together. You aren’t in love you are enmeshed. You do not love him, you just don’t want to be alone/let go of him. You do not like him or even trust him.