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Am I doing the right thing believing him?

107 replies

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 07:35

I say believing him...I really mean, taking his word for it and trying to get past the hurt and nagging doubt.

We've been together for two years but it's been fairly casual. Not intentionally; he wants more and always has but I'm not in the right head space to be getting into a serious relationship.

Around two weeks ago we slept together. We were 'together' at that point but the following week I ended things, over a few things from the past playing on my mind and my doubt that I can give him a 'proper' relationship. This has happened before and we usually get through it. After a few days I realise I still care and can't be without him etc.

Anyway. This time, we had a bit of a row and I said some things that upset him (he's a people pleaser and I called him weak, snapped at him for "going on" about his hayfever when really he was just being chatty but I over reacted).

I then blocked him. Again, done before as it's the only way I can stop myself contacting him and he knows this.

On the Saturday he dropped some flowers outside my door with a note asking to talk, which I ignored.

The following Friday we got talking again. I didn't know what I wanted at this point but he was saying he still felt I'd been the love of his life, wanted to try again, etc.

We carried on talking via text message and then I mentioned something about his social awkwardness (which he admits he suffers with). He then told me that he'd joined an app and started talking to someone to check he isn't as 'weird' as I seem to think he is.
Obviously I knew the someone was a woman, he admitted it was and it transpired that he had joined an app called BeFriend (so not tinder or anything obvious dating app), swiped and matched on a few people and this one matched him back. This was on the Thursday, so the day before we got talking again and five days after he'd left the flowers at my door :/

He told me she had asked to come off the app and onto WhatsApp but swore it was just intended as friends and he was "using her as a science experiment" to practice social skills, conversation and see if this woman flagged him up as weird or not. He said the conversation seemed to be going well so either he was normal or she was being overly nice to him for no reason. I got upset and asked to see the conversations and he did show me.

It looked an easy, comfortable conversation... he started off by making a joke about wanting to say "how you doing?" Like Joey from Friends, she laughed and said he could if he wants to, he said he liked her nose ring and wanted a tattoo himself one day, she thanked him and said it hurt as she's such a baby and "maybe now is your time to get one" meaning a tattoo...his reply was "I saw the word baby and maybe now is your time to get one and thought, hold on love, that's a bit fast 🫣😆", to which her reply was she's in no rush as she already has two. He also asked if she had a partner (he says as he isn't what to tread on anyone's toes) and said he was divorced after two years of separation but didn't mention the year long relationship with me after the separation, which I found weird if he only wants friends. She also sent him photos of her children on WhatsApp and they talked for a couple of hours every evening. When I went to see him on Saturday (after I'd found out about all this) he was still in the middle of a whatsapp chat with her. Anyway I basically told him to block and delete her and come off the app and he did.

He now wants to try again properly, saying she was genuinely just a friends thing and to see if he can still talk to people.

I know we technically weren't together when he 'met' her but it hurts a fair bit and I keep thinking about although he was blocked, clearly I can't mean very much to him if he wasn't thinking about me the whole three days he was messaging her.

He seemed convincing when he was talking about not fancying her, not being interested in a relationship or dating and it was purely friends.

Should I even care, as we technically weren't together at the time?

OP posts:
Endofyear · 10/03/2025 08:42

It sounds like you've really messed the poor guy around and treated him appallingly. You've made him paranoid that he has a problem being able to talk to people and criticised him for being socially awkward. He's now doing what he thinks is trying to address the things you've criticised him for and he's getting stick from you for that too!

Leave the poor guy alone. He sounds like he'd be a lot better off without your toxic influence in his life.

HenDoNot · 10/03/2025 08:44

Your seeming lack of awareness makes me wonder is your OP is a reverse.

You’re abusive. Let him go, and leave him alone.

ClearFruit · 10/03/2025 08:46

Stop treating this poor man like shit and get some therapy.

rubberduck68 · 10/03/2025 08:48

"I'm not in the right head space to be getting into a serious relationship." Two years by any measure is a "serious relationship" timeline. You are messing with this man's head, and need to release him back into the wild to find someone who can make him happy. It is the kind thing to do.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 10/03/2025 08:48

DaniMontyRae · 10/03/2025 08:42

I'm sorry that happened to you but please stop making excuses for the OPs abusive behaviour. She's not the victim here. And the only thing that is making this relationship unhealthy is the OP herself. Saying people don't act that way in healthy relationships is making excuses for her abusive ways. Would you excuse your abusive ex in the same way and put the blame on yourself (the victim)? I really hope not.

It's not a healthy relationship. I'm not saying he is to blame it could be either. I also don't think men ground down by the way the op is behaving turn around and start chatting to other women - it's classic look what you made me do. The relationship needs to end because it's not a good relationship but the op also needs therapy to work out why she's behaving how she is I just don't necessarily think she's totally to blame - she might be but I could have written a very similar thread but I'm now out the other side and can clearly see the manipulation that I was reacting to.

Tiswa · 10/03/2025 08:53

This is all incredibly toxic let him go let him go properly keeping him hanging on is cruel.

work on whether you can be in a relationship whilst single

DarkMagicStars · 10/03/2025 08:54

You are being awful to him. What’s wrong with you?

Leave him alone so he can find someone who treats him properly.

Dhama · 10/03/2025 09:01

You are abusive in your behaviours towards him. You need to leave him for his sake

SnoopysHoose · 10/03/2025 09:03

Let him go, you're horrible to him

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 09:05

Hi everyone. No, your replies are actually making me feel much better about committing to him, actually.

I have been emotionally abusive and have told him so as 'reason' for blocking - to allow him to move on but the problem is I know he didn't want that - we've known each other a very long time and he's always saying that I'm all he's ever wanted, etc etc and I feel awful that I can't give him what he needs.

Having said that, I did trust him completely at the beginning of the relationship but later found out that he had withheld some information to do with his ex wife (level of contact he was having with her and him telling me he had told her about us but he actually hadn't), and this info came out in dribs and drabs, and only when I questioned him, he'd change his story so I'd push further and he'd finally admit he has lied to me 'to protect us'.

OP posts:
Partybaggage · 10/03/2025 09:07

What a mind fuck for him. Poor guy. Either be with him, or don't but stop trying to sabotage his future happiness.

iseenyouwithkefir · 10/03/2025 09:09

... he was "using her as a science experiment" to practice social skills, conversation and see if this woman flagged him up as weird or not.

Did she know he was "using her"? If he fully disclosed his needs and she was intentionally talking to him as some kind of unpaid social work, then OK. Otherwise, he should hire a professional if he needs this level of one-sided help with his issues and doesn't have family or friends.

He said the conversation seemed to be going well so either he was normal or she was being overly nice to him for no reason.

Maybe she was being nice to him because she thought he was genuinely interested in some kind of reciprocal human interaction with her?

I got upset and asked to see the conversations and he did show me.

He shouldn't have; that was an invasion of her privacy. But you shouldn't have demanded that he do this, especially when you know he'll go out of his way to reassure you no matter what. It sounds like you both have some work to do - separately, not together.

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 09:10

Endofyear · 10/03/2025 08:42

It sounds like you've really messed the poor guy around and treated him appallingly. You've made him paranoid that he has a problem being able to talk to people and criticised him for being socially awkward. He's now doing what he thinks is trying to address the things you've criticised him for and he's getting stick from you for that too!

Leave the poor guy alone. He sounds like he'd be a lot better off without your toxic influence in his life.

Oh, no he says he's not used to talking to people. He keeps saying that he needs to practice socially because he was married and a carer for his wife for ten years and working from home.

When I insinuated he was weird, it was along the lines of his attitude towards withholding information from me and justifying it as 'for us' rather than admitting -as I assume most people would - that he was really just trying to make his life easier by remaining amicable with his ex, replying to her messages when she was reminiscing about their time together and I think blurring the lines and confusing her (they'd go for meals together too which he framed as "she was hungry, so we went to nandos" but I do think she saw it as more, because she phoned me regularly stating that he was leading her to believe he wanted to try again). But he never told me any of that and insisted he was low contact with her because he didn't want to lead her on.

OP posts:
Triptraptrippytap · 10/03/2025 09:11

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 07:44

You need to stop treating him so poorly then reeling him back in again after you've dumped him. Your behaviour is emotionally abusive. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere, you're fucking with his head.

This ^

HowardTJMoon · 10/03/2025 09:14

So you know you're treating him like shit but you're self-justifying your abuse as "look at what you made me do". The siren call of all abusers.

Leave the poor guy alone.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 10/03/2025 09:16

Swiftkitty · 10/03/2025 09:10

Oh, no he says he's not used to talking to people. He keeps saying that he needs to practice socially because he was married and a carer for his wife for ten years and working from home.

When I insinuated he was weird, it was along the lines of his attitude towards withholding information from me and justifying it as 'for us' rather than admitting -as I assume most people would - that he was really just trying to make his life easier by remaining amicable with his ex, replying to her messages when she was reminiscing about their time together and I think blurring the lines and confusing her (they'd go for meals together too which he framed as "she was hungry, so we went to nandos" but I do think she saw it as more, because she phoned me regularly stating that he was leading her to believe he wanted to try again). But he never told me any of that and insisted he was low contact with her because he didn't want to lead her on.

Your original question was should you trust him. No. He's proved in the past that he'll lie to you that level of deceit is something that you can't come back from. You need to end this, for your sake, for his sake, because you will never regain complete trust, why would you when he's proved you can't trust him.

RedHelenB · 10/03/2025 09:22

You are being abusive OP. For both your sakes you need to be apart.

CautiousLurker01 · 10/03/2025 09:24

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 07:44

You need to stop treating him so poorly then reeling him back in again after you've dumped him. Your behaviour is emotionally abusive. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere, you're fucking with his head.

This - let the poor lad go and then he can find someone emotionally stable.

offmynut · 10/03/2025 09:25

Man needs to run from you sorry op but you are hard work and like it to be all about you.
Playing games with someone is not fun messing with his head.
And you find it funny for the sounds of it.
Let him go so he can find someone else that wont be emotionally abusive.
You are not the victim in your game so stop acting like it and gown up.
What if he was doing it to you you wouldn't like it one bit.

Divastrout · 10/03/2025 09:27

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 07:44

You need to stop treating him so poorly then reeling him back in again after you've dumped him. Your behaviour is emotionally abusive. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere, you're fucking with his head.

This

Jolpie · 10/03/2025 09:32

Your update just cemented that you are not meant to be together. And look OP, him begging you back when you block him is part of the cycle you have to break. You keep going back to him! So of course he keeps trying to get you back because you always come back to him. You obviously can’t/don’t trust him so you need to block and stay blocked. Him sending you flowers is something you can just accept as him not wanting to let go, but you do so let him go.

You aren’t a victim in your own life here, you can make your own choices and decisions

AlexandrinaH · 10/03/2025 09:35

You’re the only one in the wrong here OP.

You’re awful for making him ghost this woman. She’ll be wondering what the hell happened.

It sounds like they were getting on well and I think you should have left them to it. He deserves a healthy relationship.

MeAndMyCatCharlotte · 10/03/2025 09:35

Do you want to be with this guy or not? Nobody knows, least of all him.

It really shouldn't be this complicated.

Jolpie · 10/03/2025 09:36

@Swiftkitty Additionally from all your posts this man has very confused boundaries - he keeps begging back the woman who insults and dumps him. This is a massive red flag, alongside he has multiple confusing relationships and connections with other women and finds it hard to understand boundaries and the lines become blurry. You can’t change him into the person you would like him to be, either by punishing him by keep leaving him, interrogating him, insulting him and trying to analyse him.

being with him doesn’t make you happy. The end

2chocolateoranges · 10/03/2025 09:36

You are playing games with him. You don’t want him but you don’t want anyone else to have him so you fuck with his mind, then reel him back in!

let him find someone who really loves him while you work on yourself.

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