Buying a puppy. Breeder applying pressure for payment.

[fandangored]

Breeder applying pressure for payment and asking for transfer or cash payment BEFORE viewing day with puppy at 4 weeks..?

Already paid a £200 pre reserve fee!!!

Should I continue or red flag and run?!

Not in the UK they're not. And this site is in the UK so....

Many believe that this place is not a proper rescue, but simply an arm of the puppy farming industry. They appear to be a vehicle for selling old breeding stock and youngsters that haven’t sold from puppy farms. Calling it a donation, instead of a price is still a payment for a dog and if you look through their website, they are pretty much all puppy farm stock.

You see this is the type of black and white BS answer that you would NEVER spout out face to face/IRL. You are a rude keyboard warrior.

It would have been ok for you to say nothing.

Wow. Wow. Yes, I would have said it to their face. Absolutely. You, are the one that is the rude keyboard warrior, and you are the one who should have said nothing.

In fact, I have said it to two people in real life, in person, to their faces as they were going to buy from a puppy breeding mill. One of them actually decided not to do it after I spoke to them. I don't know about the second one, but they looked suitably ashamed.

You could have just done the appropriate thing and minded your own business and not commented on this thread and saved face.

@StrikeAlways

be very careful of spreading misinformation.

Yes Many Tears has many x breeding bitches, because she collects them from the breeders when they are finished with them - Scotland, England Wales and Ireland.

The alternative...

well the puppy farm could choose to shoot them
or just throw them in the slurry pit...

and yes I have one of their x breeding bitches - she is now 17.5 years old, went into Many Tears at the age of 7.

Do you believe this registered Charity should give away the dogs for free ?

who would pay the staff wages
the dog food
the vets fees
and so on and so forth

How often have you visited Many Tears ?

It's not a crime to be naive. OP wasn't aware she was buying a puppy from anything other than a normal breeder.

She has since taken all the GOOD advice she's received on here on board and accepts she needs to do more research before thinking of buying a pup in the future.

Not sure what help your comments have been at all, so kindly take them elsewhere.

My reply was to Colin who basically attacked me. Maybe you could ask them to take their comments elsewhere instead of attacking me for defending myself.

PS my point is she should have 'adopt not shop' so should not have gone to what she thought was a 'breeder' anyway.

OK then, stick my comment onto one of your ones aimed at the OP then. My point remains.

They do indeed rescue dogs from breeders and puppy farms dogs that are indoor or for whatever reason have an issue. Otherwise what would the breeders do to them.? They are a fabulous charity that do not sell the animals but rely on donations which for a dog is a few hundred pound. This then goes to the fosterers for food the behaviour trainers who have to try and help severely traumtised dogs who have been used for the sole purpose of making money and are terrified. I for one think it is a fab charity that needs support.

@WillIEverBeOk She doesn't have to adopt if she doesn't want to. You're not from this country, our rescues are mostly filled with dogs that are unsuitable for being homed with young children. And no, she shouldn't lie and tell the rescue she doesn't have a young child. Pretty sure the safety of her child trumps a dog she's never even met.

"our rescues are mostly filled with dogs that are unsuitable for being homed with young children"

Source?

Take a look for yourself. I'm not wasting my time sending links to our rescues.

My main concern would be meeting the mother, seeing her and ensuing you’re not adding to the epidemic of unethical breeding. I would hope that would be a priority. But I have never bought a puppy, only ever had rescues, all of them amazing. I just don’t understand why people go down this route. I can’t believe there’s such a high rate of dog allergies around either!

Shes a crap pushy breeder! Is there anything in any form if contract that yvcan get it £200 back? I work in a veterinary practice and more than 50% of people bring their pups in to check for heart nurmurs/parvovirus anything that could affect the pups long term future. And every so often, there is a dodgy breeder that does sell on unwell pups hence why they don't want them going to the vets straight away. Thr fact she wants cash only is even more of a red flag and she is making a really big deal out of it. If pups is a cavalier or cavalier cross then defo get pups checked for heart murmur asap (AMAZING lovely dogs, but alot of selfish breeders are bringing pups into the world whose parents have heart murmur which isn't unusual for that breed. If its a Frenchie, then absolutely 100000% get pup checked out. They, too, are lovely dogs-but rogue breeders have bred them with multiple health issues (rope nose ie;massive breathing issues, allergies, skin issues) A reputable breeder should be happy with where there pups are going to live and happily chat with you... not be rude and argumentative because it is apparent she has a queue of people behind you. Go online and double check her breeders licence number with your local council because I've also dealt with "fake breeders" too

Look at Hope Rescue, they've taken in 30 dogs that were turned loose by a breeder, thankfully all were caught by search volunteers and now in the care of Hope, these are the people you're paying £1000s to, cruel money grabbing cunts.

Not in the UK there aren’t. I defy you to find one and post the details on here.

There appears to be nothing but red flags there. You don't part with any money without viewing the animal and getting everything in writing and with a picture (for distinguishing markings) to ensure it's the same one. Then you pay a reservation fee when both parties are happy with the deal. You dont pay a reservation for a reservation, that's just got scam written all over it, no reasonable self respecting breeder would ask for that or expect the security not to be mutual, and certainly wouldn't pressure you. This is why it's common to use escrow, or some other 3rd party security for the monies already parted with, for these types of things, and proper breeders expect this and have contracts written up already. Then just like with anything else like this, as soon as one party strays from their obligations, the money gets pulled or forfeited, whoever's at fault.
If you've done this, then pull the money now and bid them good day, cause what they're doing is completely out of order, and doing some extra leg work, and maybe a few extra miles to see/collect the animal is worth it. Don't let scheming breeders or scam breeders play you for a mug. Theres far too many of them out there as it is, don't make it easy for them. You should visit loads of rescue kennels anyway, not only might you find a dog/puppy that's in need, that your son falls in love with, but so much of the early annoyances of puppy training may have already been covered, to some extent, or atleast be well on their way to it.

Well that’s one view. It’s interesting that the most reliable rescues e.g. Blue Cross, Dogs Trust, only have some dogs sometimes from puppy farms, where as Many Tears have all, or mostly, dogs from puppy farms that couldn’t be sold due to their age/condition. Of course the several hundred pounds required is called a donation. I am not certain that they are ‘in cahoots’ with puppy farms, but many have their suspicions and I do too.

@StrikeAlways

How many branches of The Dogs Trust is there ?
How many branches of The Blue Cross is there ?

How many branches of Many Tears is there ?

@fandangored I would suggest you do lots and lots of research. So I advise doing the following:

Have a good look at what breeds are available. Consider what's important to you, eg energy levels, trainability, insurance costs, breed traits, potential problems. A good start would be the Dogs Trust guide here. Another way would be go to Discover Dogs and talk to loads of breeders about their dogs.

When you've got a shortlist of breeds you like (I know you like Cavapoos but they may not be suitable for you) find the national or regional breed clubs, go to their shows and meet more owners/breeders. You may also find the breed club rescues have suitable dogs which have proven family-friendly too if you want to consider a slightly older dog.

Google "how to find a reputable dog breeder uk". The top 3 results are The Dogs Trust, RSPCA and The Kennel Club

Learn about dog behaviour and training before you get a dog. You could ask your local vet for their recommended trainers/schools, then contact them and ask if you could come and observe. Puppies are a huge amount of work and you'll need to know what you're doing or it's easy to train unwanted behaviours!

Choose a training class in readiness for when you get the dog. Once you have the pup, go to the classes regularly. Do lots of training and careful socialisation outside of these classes too. It's a huge, tiring, commitment, but you get what you put in. And if you don't do your due diligence, or don't put the work in, you could have a nightmare on your hands.
Good luck! 🙂

This breeder is a scammer. Report him/her as no reputable breeder takes pups away from litter at 4 weeks. Dogs rely on litetermates to learn rules of behaviour up to around 8/9 weeks old. If a dog doesn't go through this process, they may struggle with behaviour, boundaries and separation anxiety. If you're in UK, good chance these poor things may be coming in from EU breeding farms. Rules on import changed a whole ago, so now they bring them in via Ireland. Whoever you've paid this money to will probably not give you a refund if you pull out of the deal and there's a pretty good chance this puppy will have life long health issues, a life which is going to be pretty short. Talk to trading standards in your local council for advice, they may be able to catch them if they have information. They work closely with the police around illegal puppy farming. So sorry for the pup but I think you'll learn not to deal with these breeders the hard way. The reason he's pressuring you is because these are almost certainly either not his dogs and he's just selling them in or he needs to move on quickly for fear of being caught. Anyone who can do this to an animal doesn't have their interests at heart, just how much money They can make. Plenty of dogs in rescue, no need to breed

Forgot to say, they don't make breeds of dog all exactly the same. Dogs, like people are affected by circumstances, up bringing. All dogs bite, all dogs can snap. Those of us that are used to dogs in all shapes and sizes know that you never leave children alone for a minute with dogs. Its not the dog you need to look out for, it's the kids. So please, get this rubbish out of your head that there are more 'docile' breeds, there arent. Any dog can be gentle if raised right from day one. I'm currently in Florida, have two huge pitbulls next to our house who are cuddle bugs as they were raised right. Not all child friendly breeds won't bite and not all supposedly aggressive breeds bite. All down to the dog and putting the effort into raising them that gives you the dog you want and I'm not just talking discipline, talk to reputable dog trainer who uses reward based methods, dogs respond better to kindness.

That doesn’t happen in the UK any longer. Even mongrel kittens cost a fair bit of money here now! Probably a good thing, since free puppies and kittens are vulnerable to being obtained for bait for illegal dog fighting rings.

You are boring me now. I have expressed my concerns and suspicions. You need to practice tolerating others not entirely agreeing with you.