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Friend pissed off with me as I can’t seem to control my irritation

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Friendproblem123 · 29/01/2025 22:07

Friends for a good few years. Live close by, and we’re in a tight friendship group of 4 as well as a wider group.
friend (let’s call her Jenny), has always been quite an alternative thinker, but has had a successful career which she’s recently retired from.

when I say alternative, examples would be:

vehemently anti vax, especially covid
believes in angels
is doing an online course in vortex healing
gets most of her opinions from Joe Rogan
thinks Trump is not all bad
thinks Elon musk also good

it’s never been too much of a problem, I generally live and let live, and some things are genuinely interesting as alternative viewpoints.

over the last 6 months or so, she’s been pulling me up in groups when I’ve pulled faces, rolled my eyes etc at some of the things she’s come out with, purely accidentally and haven’t even realised I’ve been doing it.

for wxample a few months ago the four of us were talking about trump’s picks for jobs. He’s chosen RFK as health minister and apparently he’s anti vax. I’d never heard of the guy but others were saying he’s a bit of a loon and apparently I rolled my eyes in the convo.

jenny told me off for being disrespectful.

i shrugged it off, put it down to Jenny being a bit unwell and overtired (she’s on a weird health program involving some seriously weird stuff).

few more times this happened, again I’d sort of apologise and try to gloss over it.

we all went away last weekend and it came to a head.

again we were sitting round, Jenny starts saying how amazing vortex healing is, I didn’t realise but she told me off for pulling a face.

mext day we were all having lunch.

jenny is talking about someone else and said “she’s like [friendproblem], she’s uneducated.

i ignored it.

next morning she asks me what the bible means when it says, if thine eye offends thee, pluck it out, and said does it mean if your friend isn’t getting on with you, stop seeing them.

i just said, dunno, maybe google it?

managed to get thru rest of weekend without any more incidents.

sorry this is so long.

my other friends have also remarked on her more extreme views, like taking ivermectin to cure covid etc, but they seem much better at not reacting. They tend to just go silent, change subject or walk away.

if we weren’t all practically next door to each other and very enmeshed it would be easy to just drop and block, but that isn’t really possible.

so my question is, do i:

still see her, entertain all this angel/woo bollocks
ask for a talk to clear the air, with no real expectation that she’ll see my point of view
avoid seeing her at all, which will also affect my friendship with the others.

sorry this is ridiculously long but it’s really affecting me.

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ttcat37 · 30/01/2025 13:03

Sounds like she is going through a mental health crisis. Have you addressed that with her? I think that is the angle I would be going down in your situation and see how it plays out. It sounds like your refusal to entertain her delusions is making her as cross as you listening to her. So perhaps she will cut off the friendship before you feel forced to.

Shelby2010 · 30/01/2025 13:09

Another way might be to redirect the woo if she tends to go on about the same things.

So she talks about vortex healing, you steer the conversation to hyperbaric chambers. She spouts antivax, you say you’ve recently had a flu jab. Read a recent copy of New Scientist before you see her and have some anti-woo topics to hand. Agree in the group to avoid politics.

WiddlinDiddlin · 30/01/2025 15:23

bigvig · 30/01/2025 06:56

She sounds rude and annoying and shouldn'tbe pushing her views on you. However don't assume your views are always correct because they are mainstream. Ivermectin for example has been proven to help with covid. It's just cheap and off label so drug companies don't push it as they can't make much money off it. The media joined in dismissing this long established medicine developed for use on humans as a horse dewormer. It can also be used for that but that's not what it won the Nobel prize for.

The history of thought and science is full of people and ideas dismissed as crazy because they went against established orthodoxies.

No - it turned out its not useful in the end...

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-shows-ivermectin-lacks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment

New study shows ivermectin lacks meaningful benefits in COVID-19 treatment — Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences, University of Oxford

New research led by the University of Oxford has concluded that the antiparasitic drug ivermectin does not provide clinically meaningful benefits for treating COVID-19 in a largely vaccinated population.

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-shows-ivermectin-lacks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment

Easipeelerie · 31/01/2025 17:15

FindusMakesPancakes · 30/01/2025 07:49

What happens if, instead of eye rolling and dismissing her views, you engage with them, debate her and challenge her thinking? It doesn't have to be aggressive, a polite and respectful discussion on why she holds those views, where does it come from. You can then explain why you disagree and the problem with her sources (if they are a problem). Try saying tell me more instead of mocking.

I don’t know. You can’t debate with someone who’s so far gone. What would be the purpose? You can debate when both of you’re opinions are within the normal range, but if someone’s gone down a mad rabbit hole, they’re not likely to engage in debate sensibly and you’re not likely to get anywhere with the conversation.
Best with people like this to withdraw from them.

Friendproblem123 · 31/01/2025 17:25

Easipeelerie · 31/01/2025 17:15

I don’t know. You can’t debate with someone who’s so far gone. What would be the purpose? You can debate when both of you’re opinions are within the normal range, but if someone’s gone down a mad rabbit hole, they’re not likely to engage in debate sensibly and you’re not likely to get anywhere with the conversation.
Best with people like this to withdraw from them.

Agreed. My friend who was there last weekend actually came round today specifically to let me know I’m not alone, she and the other (normal) friend have been getting increasingly concerned, but none of us had really talked about it wi each other. My friend said she’s never seen me eye rolling or pulling faces and that I’ve been remarkably respectful with Jenny.

so I’m feeling a bit better. My other friend recently was horrified at some other antisemitic and anti science stuff Jenny came out with on a dog walk.

So I feel comfortable withdrawing from any 1 to,1 meetings with Jenny, I’m lucky enough to have a very good friendship group with all sorts of people and will just stick to them, there’s absolutely no point engaging with someone who’s that far down the rabbit hole.

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