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Friend pissed off with me as I can’t seem to control my irritation

155 replies

Friendproblem123 · 29/01/2025 22:07

Friends for a good few years. Live close by, and we’re in a tight friendship group of 4 as well as a wider group.
friend (let’s call her Jenny), has always been quite an alternative thinker, but has had a successful career which she’s recently retired from.

when I say alternative, examples would be:

vehemently anti vax, especially covid
believes in angels
is doing an online course in vortex healing
gets most of her opinions from Joe Rogan
thinks Trump is not all bad
thinks Elon musk also good

it’s never been too much of a problem, I generally live and let live, and some things are genuinely interesting as alternative viewpoints.

over the last 6 months or so, she’s been pulling me up in groups when I’ve pulled faces, rolled my eyes etc at some of the things she’s come out with, purely accidentally and haven’t even realised I’ve been doing it.

for wxample a few months ago the four of us were talking about trump’s picks for jobs. He’s chosen RFK as health minister and apparently he’s anti vax. I’d never heard of the guy but others were saying he’s a bit of a loon and apparently I rolled my eyes in the convo.

jenny told me off for being disrespectful.

i shrugged it off, put it down to Jenny being a bit unwell and overtired (she’s on a weird health program involving some seriously weird stuff).

few more times this happened, again I’d sort of apologise and try to gloss over it.

we all went away last weekend and it came to a head.

again we were sitting round, Jenny starts saying how amazing vortex healing is, I didn’t realise but she told me off for pulling a face.

mext day we were all having lunch.

jenny is talking about someone else and said “she’s like [friendproblem], she’s uneducated.

i ignored it.

next morning she asks me what the bible means when it says, if thine eye offends thee, pluck it out, and said does it mean if your friend isn’t getting on with you, stop seeing them.

i just said, dunno, maybe google it?

managed to get thru rest of weekend without any more incidents.

sorry this is so long.

my other friends have also remarked on her more extreme views, like taking ivermectin to cure covid etc, but they seem much better at not reacting. They tend to just go silent, change subject or walk away.

if we weren’t all practically next door to each other and very enmeshed it would be easy to just drop and block, but that isn’t really possible.

so my question is, do i:

still see her, entertain all this angel/woo bollocks
ask for a talk to clear the air, with no real expectation that she’ll see my point of view
avoid seeing her at all, which will also affect my friendship with the others.

sorry this is ridiculously long but it’s really affecting me.

OP posts:
Ohnobackagain · 29/01/2025 22:51

You rolling your eyes might well be annoying but her saying you’re uneducated is just bloody rude @Friendproblem123

Friendproblem123 · 29/01/2025 22:52

SootysSweep · 29/01/2025 22:39

You've been friends for a good few years so what has changed? Why has it all suddenly come to a head?

I think it’s retirement. She ran a successful business which kept her busy. She’s single, no kids, now no job and I think she’s been going down a bit of a rabbit hole/ is in an echo chamber of co conspiracy theorist types.

OP posts:
Greyish2025 · 29/01/2025 22:52

Cornecopia · 29/01/2025 22:32

i would also pull someone up who eye rolled every time I spoke.

So would I, it’s incredibly nasty behaviour and OP is well aware that she is doing it, It shows complete disrespect

TheYearOfSmallThings · 29/01/2025 22:53

Onlyvisiting · 29/01/2025 22:28

Rolling your eyes and pulling faces deliberately is rude. But the OP said she isn't. Unfortunately for some of us our faces have subtitles.......

I have a subtitle face. It has definitely caused offence but since the reward for pasting on a thoughtful and accepting face when someone is talking shite is...more shite, I just accept that I'm no good at it.

In my defence I truly don't mind people rolling their eyes and pulling faces when I am talking shite.

RogueFemale · 29/01/2025 22:53

@Friendproblem123 Do you live in the US?

Greyish2025 · 29/01/2025 22:54

Ohnobackagain · 29/01/2025 22:51

You rolling your eyes might well be annoying but her saying you’re uneducated is just bloody rude @Friendproblem123

Eye rolling is basically saying someone is stupid so the friend was probably just reacting to that

Horatioed · 29/01/2025 22:58

You seem to be really rude and massively certain about your own views

Bumcake · 29/01/2025 22:59

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Hello pot, this is the kettle…

By the way, no need to quote OP as that’s what we’re all responding to.

Friendproblem123 · 29/01/2025 23:06

Thanks all. Food for thought.

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over50andfab · 29/01/2025 23:13

With some of your friends views, I would struggle not to eye roll too. However, I would probably also discuss that I do not share those views and that some like being anti vax can be quite dangerous. It would be a case of agreeing either having a discussion about contentious views that could descend into argument or agreeing that you move away when she expresses these views.
Some people air views they know might be contentious in order to provoke a reaction.

saraclara · 29/01/2025 23:16

I'm amazed that you all still hang out with her, frankly.

jackstini · 29/01/2025 23:22

Out of interest, what does she do when you speak about your views which she doesn't agree with?

Friendproblem123 · 29/01/2025 23:25

jackstini · 29/01/2025 23:22

Out of interest, what does she do when you speak about your views which she doesn't agree with?

She just argues more forcefully. We both have big egos unfortunately

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Couldbysunny · 29/01/2025 23:27

Just end the friendship. You don't get on. And that's totally fine. You shouldn't have to pretend to agree with something everyone says to keep the peace. That's no friendship that's just being a doormat. I wouldn't be friends with so.eone who I couldn't be myself around.
And really neither should she. She expects you not to roll your eyes yet she won't shut up about nonsense when she knows full well you aren't into it. She's a hypocrite. She just wants to bang on with no pushback. Bet she wants on about 'being censored' yet fully expects you never to voice your real opinions and just to agree with her.
You don't need to be mean about it.. just say 'look we don't see eye to eye and uts becoming an issue to lets just not spend time together any more'
Don't be bullied. You've just as much right to your opinions as she does.

Guest100 · 29/01/2025 23:27

I think it comes down to whether you want to remain good friends with her. If you are happy to let the friendship go next time she has a go at you I would say something like “I’m sorry my face tends to give away what I’m thinking. But obviously I don’t agree with your views and if I constantly have to hear that nonsense I am going to roll my eyes. If you don’t like it keep your ideas to yourself”.
Then only see her as part of the group. It’s likely if the only conversation she is capable of is her views on things no one else believes the others will soon avoid her too.

It’s hard as I had a similar experience. A friend pushed her views trump, talked about how lizard people are in charge and anti vaccination crap. You couldn’t just have a normal chat about random stuff. She is no longer part of the group.

HeronWing · 29/01/2025 23:29

This is one of those ‘Only on Mn’ things for me — being friends with someone you clearly dislike and who dislikes you (with good reason in both cases here).

Jenny is a dope, OP. Why put yourself through seeing her if she causes you uncontrollable irritation?

FoxLoxInSox · 29/01/2025 23:30

Whilst I agee that your friend holds preposterous and borderline worrying views, I’m more amazed at how inappropriately you’re handling the situation.When someone (especially a friend) holds and espouses views you disagree with you have two choices:

  • engage them in healthy debate about the issue, or:
  • listen respectfully, nod, don’t respond, and silently agree to disagree

Where did you learn that an appropriate response is to roll your eyes and pull faces? And are you 6 years old?

Greyish2025 · 29/01/2025 23:35

Ohnobackagain · 29/01/2025 22:51

You rolling your eyes might well be annoying but her saying you’re uneducated is just bloody rude @Friendproblem123

😂😁

jackstini · 29/01/2025 23:39

OP - fair enough- but she doesn't roll her eyes at you or make faces

I think you have to either say it out in the open that you don't want to discuss certain things, or you just have to bite your tongue and look down when she starts talking bollocks

Sounds like that's the only way you can be friends with the others easily

MemorableTrenchcoat · 29/01/2025 23:40

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If rolling eyes is disgusting behaviour, then so is being antivax. It besmirches the work of doctors and scientists which has prevented millions of deaths from diseases such as smallpox and polio.

Lighteningstrikes · 29/01/2025 23:43

You clearly grate on each other, so why are you bothering to be friends with someone you can’t stand?

Friendproblem123 · 29/01/2025 23:46

Lighteningstrikes · 29/01/2025 23:43

You clearly grate on each other, so why are you bothering to be friends with someone you can’t stand?

This has gradually been building up over the last six months, and worse in last month. Prior to that we’ve been close friends for 8 years

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Windowsand · 29/01/2025 23:55

OP she sounds batshit.
How can you listen to such rubbish.
I'm eye rolling reading this😁.

Good advive given.
Avoid her like the plague.
No one on one whatsoever.
Stay 100% silent, no engagement or response to the batshit rhetoric.
But ultimately you may prefer to avoid.
Invest in other relationships more to very slowly pull away.

CharlieUniformNovemberTangoYankee · 30/01/2025 00:00

Dont worry about it. 'Uneducated' seems to be the latest go-to insult from eejits who think evidence is any old shite they choose to believe on the Internet.

LoafofSellotape · 30/01/2025 00:01

Applefumble · 29/01/2025 22:14

I wouldn't be friends with someone who rolled their eyes when I spoke.

I wouldn't either, she can believe in what she wants even if it is bollox but the fact that you don't even know you're being so rude is more than a bit worrying!

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