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Partner and mum have fallen out. Considering leaving.

57 replies

molrol1 · 26/01/2025 19:03

This is a long one however the context is key, so apologies!

As the title said, my partner of 12 years and my mum have fallen out whilst on a family holiday. He (in my opinion) took his bad mood out on her and behaved very rudely towards her, which she is upset and angry with him for. I was embarrassed by this however he has owned this and is willing to apologise for his behaviour.

During a talk, he maintained that his behaviour was triggered by a wider context of struggling with her general mood and attitude towards him, me and our children (5 and 2) and that I needed to address this with her so we can move forwards.

These are long standing issues he (and to some extent I) have with her. I suspect she is undiagnosed autistic and struggles with depression - she is very expressionless, really struggles with change in routine and plans, can’t really make any small talk at all and is quite cold and stilted generally however the biggest issue is her general irritability, snappiness and passive aggression. There have been multiple times which it has been downright uncomfortable to visit her and my father due to her mood. My partner is really affected by this and feels she often brings his mood down and detracts from events. He feels her behaviour is rude and that she doesn’t like him very much. It is worth mentioning though that my partner is quite sensitive and emotionally reactive so tends to feel these things quite deeply.

However his biggest issue is that she directs this towards our children. This is mostly in the context of her attempting to correct behaviour and discipline them however it is completely over the top - ie: snapping at my 5 year old for dropping a spoon or walking too slowly, harshly telling him to stop crying instead of comforting him and generally being irritated by him.

This is something we have discussed on multiple occasions and I always find myself stuck in the middle of as I can see how (if she is autistic) she finds these things hard but also recognise that my partner comes from a very warm, caring family who would never dream of treating our children that way.

An added complexity is that 4 years ago. My partner became an Alcoholic and suffered a breakdown after experiencing 2 significant family traumas in short time (loss of a parent and a close family members suicide). This actually occurred at my parents house and was very traumatic and his alcoholism really affected our relationship for 18 months afterwards. Thankfully, he is now in a healthier place and whilst he still drinks on occasion he mostly manages it well and no longer uses alcohol as a way to soothe his feelings. We have been fighting to overcome all the shit that goes along with an event like this, and have been in couples counselling for the last 5 months to address the anxiety I feel around him drinking on occasion. My parents never knew the extent of the issue beyond his initial breakdown but obviously this did some damage to their already strained relationship!

So. On holiday my mum is being her usual self (with added eye rolling and sighing whenever we asked her to help with the kids, but then saying she is happy to do it etc) and my partner begins to be affected by it after a few days. He goes out for some beers with another family member and we have an argument when he returns (not because of the drinking, but rather because he was late back for some plans) the argument put my partner into a bad mood and then he was further triggered by my mum later that night, he bit back at her and thus we have the fall out.

I spoke to my mum today to try to explain where my partner was coming from in his response to her (ahead of him texting her) however the conversation went very badly. My mum basically denied that she behaves in this way towards our children and denied that she was rolling her eyes (even though I saw it multiple times) she began shouting that what i was saying was bullshit and I was making her out to be a horrible person. She stated “from now on I’ll just do as I’m told and won’t bother getting involved at all” before hanging up. She also said she feels my partner was in a bad mood because he had been drinking too much over the holiday and was deflecting this onto her.

I feel absolutely wretched about this as mum has a hard life and clearly isn’t happy, I don’t want to be another source of unhappiness for her. I am also upset because I feel like my partner pushed for me to talk to her about her general attitude and I did so despite knowing she probably wouldn’t recognise it or accept it. The statement she made about him drinking too much has resonated as I did feel this way too and the whole thing has just left me feeling deflated and exhausted and with a sense that I am once again dragged along on the rollercoaster ride created by the impact of my partners drinking and his sensitivity and reactiveness to situations. However I am also mindful that my mums reaction was ridiculous and it is reminiscent of many times in my childhood where I felt intense anxiety at the thought of ever upsetting her because of her reactions. So I feel confused, upset, and don’t even know who is right or wrong anymore. I just want to run away and clear my head. sometimes I dream of leaving my partner and having a fresh start but the reality is that I won’t.

OP posts:
Min133 · 26/01/2025 19:11

I'm on your partners side here. He's trying to protect his family. Her behaviour has caused you major anxiety as a child and as an adult. Not sure why you are considering leaving your partner over this unless there is anything else going on. If I was you I'd go low contact with her for yours and your families sake

LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaa · 26/01/2025 19:14

I’m also on your partners side.

Your mums behaviour is completely unacceptable, and I wouldn’t stand by and let her treat my spouse and children like that either.

WingBingo · 26/01/2025 19:17

Partners side here too. He’s got a DP problem, not a MIL problem

rwalker · 26/01/2025 19:18

I think it’s the straw that broke the camel’s back

they both have a part to play but your mum is the major part of this

NameChangedOfc · 26/01/2025 19:19

Agree: your mother is your major problem. I hope you get to see it before it's too late.

molrol1 · 26/01/2025 19:28

Thank you for the replies thus far, it has helped me gain a bit of clarity.

Someone asked why I was considering leaving my partner - I think this is an ongoing trauma response related to what we’ve been through, he did drink too much on holiday and things were tense between us for the day as a result. But this flight mode is something I need to work on. Just as he is working on his issues.

I think I feel protective of my mum because I see she has a hard life and I know that deep down she is trying her best. She does love my boys and I spoke to my 5 year old last night who told me that he enjoys seeing her because she takes him to nice places but doesn’t like the shouting which is why I addressed this with her. My mum had a very emotionally abusive childhood and struggles a lot as a result. She is good at providing practical things for children but literally can not do the emotional or warm stuff.

As a child I absolutely craved this but as I grew up I think I normalised her behaviour and the family dynamics which resulted and sometimes I need things like this forum to remind me that I’m not going mad!

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/01/2025 19:29

You’ve become used to your mother’s poor behaviour because you’ve grown up with it and know no different. You’ve been trained and or otherwise conditioned by her to accept this as normal when it clearly is not. I would suggest you read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward and get therapy re your relationship with your mother.

It’s not your fault for us the ways she is and you did not make her that way. She should also not be disciplining your children, that is your job as parents not hers.

Who your primary loyalty to - your man or she?. Choose carefully because you keeping your mother in your life for what are read your own reasons (most likely fear obligation and guilt) is not a good idea. There is nothing in your post to indicate she is anywhere on the ASD spectrum either. It just shows your own poor understanding of what ASD actually is and it does not equal such bad behaviour. Your mother does this because she can and she has learnt this works for her. Drop the rope she holds out to you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/01/2025 19:31

Many people have hard lives and do not act like this around their relatives . Stop making excuses for her because they do not stand up when scrutinised.

She had a choice when it came to you and chose to reenact what was likely also done to her in her own childhood.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 26/01/2025 19:33

So the gist of it is.... she's horrible to your kids and your partner is sick of it and is standing up for your kids? Team partner I'm afraid although I'm sure he's not without his issues.

LilacRaven · 26/01/2025 19:34

I struggle to see why you would go on holiday with both your partner and your mum based on the history. My advise would be to do things separate and let things cool off.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/01/2025 19:34

Your mother has not changed since your own childhood. She will never apologise nor accept any responsibility for her actions. Her emotionally abusive childhood played a huge part in she becoming and being an emotionally abusive adult. She is blaming everyone else but her own self for her shortcomings. She is also not safe enough to be around your children, what sort of a role model is she really to them?. Toxic parents more often than not are toxic as grandparents too.

RedSkyDelights · 26/01/2025 19:36

i don't think your mother is autistic, I think she is just an unpleasant person. You are less affected by this than your family because you've literally had a lifetime of being told that this is normal. Would you make excuses for anyone else who treated your children like she does?

I'd suggest setting up very strong boundaries around her, if you want to try to maintain a relationship. I'd certainly suggest not going on holiday with her, and not forcing your partner to spend time in her company if he doesn't want to.

I'd also be concerned that your partner may mirror some of the behaviours you've grown up with and is also abusive. It does sound like he is trying to change, so you might be able to salvage your relationship with him.

Adamante · 26/01/2025 19:36

Your DP is an alcoholic. Many people really struggle and feel tense around that and he was drinking to excess on the holiday. Why are all the replies ignoring this. I was married to an alcoholic and it was complete hell. Your mum had a terrible childhood and now sees her daughter & grandchildren living with an alcoholic man. I think I’d be struggling too. Is he focusing on her to deflect attention from his drinking I wonder? However I don’t wish to excuse her entirely, I’d flare up at the shouting, eye rolling etc too. I feel for you OP. Horrible situation you’re in.

Parky04 · 26/01/2025 19:41

LilacRaven · 26/01/2025 19:34

I struggle to see why you would go on holiday with both your partner and your mum based on the history. My advise would be to do things separate and let things cool off.

Agreed. Why on earth did you all go on holiday together? It makes no sense!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/01/2025 19:42

Ultimately you will need to be on your own and away from both your mother and your alcoholic partner. If he is an alcoholic he should not be drinking at all. What outside support is he getting re his drinking apart from
counselling?.

molrol1 · 26/01/2025 19:42

Adamante · 26/01/2025 19:36

Your DP is an alcoholic. Many people really struggle and feel tense around that and he was drinking to excess on the holiday. Why are all the replies ignoring this. I was married to an alcoholic and it was complete hell. Your mum had a terrible childhood and now sees her daughter & grandchildren living with an alcoholic man. I think I’d be struggling too. Is he focusing on her to deflect attention from his drinking I wonder? However I don’t wish to excuse her entirely, I’d flare up at the shouting, eye rolling etc too. I feel for you OP. Horrible situation you’re in.

Edited

Thank you for this! Living with someone who struggles with alcohol use is an absolute rollercoaster and the point you made about whether he is deflecting attention away from his drinking by focusing on her is absolutely why I have felt so confused and torn up today.

I am not trying to excuse her behaviour at all. But the fallout absolutely occurred because my partner was defensive about his drinking and was in a reactive mood which he took out on her but understandably after a week of trying to manage his feelings around her!

OP posts:
GlitchStitch · 26/01/2025 19:42

If you had just posted about your alcoholic husband drinking too much on holiday and how his behaviour impacts on you, you would have been told to LTB. But you've included your difficult mother and in the MN hierarchy toxic mothers are worse. Hence the responses encouraging you to side with your drunken husband. The reality is they both sound like hard work.

molrol1 · 26/01/2025 19:43

It was the first time we’ve ever gone away together - it was another family members birthday and they paid for us to all go away together for a week. There was about 10 of us in total.

OP posts:
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/01/2025 19:44

A weekend away on your own to give yourself time to think sounds an excellent idea.

fruitbrewhaha · 26/01/2025 19:49

Why would you all go in holiday together in these circumstances. Group holidays can be tricky at the best of times. Lots of people to please with conflicting needs, not used to spending all their time with each other, little down time from the crowd, it’s a problematic recipe without adding in alcoholism and autism plus trauma.

Tiswa · 26/01/2025 19:50

GlitchStitch · 26/01/2025 19:42

If you had just posted about your alcoholic husband drinking too much on holiday and how his behaviour impacts on you, you would have been told to LTB. But you've included your difficult mother and in the MN hierarchy toxic mothers are worse. Hence the responses encouraging you to side with your drunken husband. The reality is they both sound like hard work.

this you are merging two distinct issues that YOU have into one because they have a problem with each other.

your partner alcoholism is toxic and will be affecting your family - being sensitive to others emotions is no excuse

and your mother sounds difficult and awful and well

ThejoyofNC · 26/01/2025 19:52

Firstly why are you trying to make excuses for your mother's awful behaviour? You're blaming the fact that you think that she might have autism? That's just ridiculous.

Secondly, instead of backing your partner and protecting your kids, you want to leave him?

AliceMcK · 26/01/2025 19:53

LilacRaven · 26/01/2025 19:34

I struggle to see why you would go on holiday with both your partner and your mum based on the history. My advise would be to do things separate and let things cool off.

This!

Also stop making excuses for a toxic woman, her having a hard life dose not give her the right to make yours and your DHs life hard. Nor dose it give her the right to discipline and snap at your children.

Adamante · 26/01/2025 19:55

fruitbrewhaha · 26/01/2025 19:49

Why would you all go in holiday together in these circumstances. Group holidays can be tricky at the best of times. Lots of people to please with conflicting needs, not used to spending all their time with each other, little down time from the crowd, it’s a problematic recipe without adding in alcoholism and autism plus trauma.

Yes, what you need to do is jump into your Time Machine and not go on this holiday. That should do the trick 🙄

LookItsMeAgain · 26/01/2025 19:55

Min133 · 26/01/2025 19:11

I'm on your partners side here. He's trying to protect his family. Her behaviour has caused you major anxiety as a child and as an adult. Not sure why you are considering leaving your partner over this unless there is anything else going on. If I was you I'd go low contact with her for yours and your families sake

I’m also on #TeamHusband too.

You need to release the memories of your parents as you were growing up as that is more relevant to your childhood. Your DH is trying to protect your children and you’re not doing much, in relation to stopping your mother’s behaviour around them.

If your mother’s behaviour and manners are the cause of arguments between your husband and you, it’s time that you withdraw from having your children exposed to that behaviour. If you want to see your mother, do it alone.

Also don’t go asking her to look after the kids (like babysitting or childminding). It’s go to be defined what you’re doing and why.

Best of luck to you both.