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Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 19:08

So my DH (35M) is doing a boxing event in march and we made a group chat to get as many people to come as he needs to sell 10 tickets to secure his place, we managed this and i was writing down everyone's names. So a female we will name her (Amy) was mentioned to me by my DH and i assumed it was our mutual friend who we have known for 15 years, its came to light that its actually a female whom he met on Tik Tok about 18 months ago. Now he told me he told me about her but i would 100% remember if he was helping this female. He said she was going through a messy split and court for DV and even said he had asked my advice to help her (i dont remember this).

the issue...

They have been chatting on Whatsapp for 18 months, he gave her his number and kept it from me. He says they talk daily and are just friends.

AITA here? Am i wrong to feel upset and hurt?
why would he give her his number? and behind my back?
He sees nothing wrong with it?

she is travelling down from the coast (2hrs away) to the boxing event where me and all his family are friends will be? Is that normal?

Advice needed because i feel sick..

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PastaBelly · 15/01/2025 20:05

I wouldn’t like this if I’m honest. I might also have a bit of a backwards view on opposite sex friendships though.. I’m fine with pre established friendships, new work friendships, sports etc but not with messaging every day and being a shoulder to cry on for 18months, especially as it started online.
I’m not sure if it’s just the general attitude of how and where I’ve grown up, but the majority of my friends feel the same way- that there’s boundaries when you’re in a relationship. I’d class my friends husband as a close friend of 15 years and I don’t even have his phone number! I’ve gone through her if I’ve needed anything from him.

that’s not to say I don’t think men and women can have platonic friendships, I think it’s more than doable to keep them this way, but secretly messaging each day rings alarm bells for me. Maybe I’m a bit of a jealous person (and also biased from past experience) but I think messaging someone every day and hiding it from your partner is disrespectful - and that’s without cultivating an emotional relationship (helping her through a breakup sounds emotionally invested to me) and this is where feelings can get hurt, for you, and even your partner or this woman if one gets the wrong idea.

id want to see the messages, even if this made me look paranoid. I’d explain that I feel uncomfortable and would just like to see what sort of relationship this friendship looks like.

i suppose it depends on how your husband usually behaves - is he sociable and friendly to everyone and makes friends easily, helpful and supportive to them all? If this is his character and all is innocent, then fine.

if this is out of character, I’d have concerns.

i would also try and feel where your concern is coming from - is this coming from a place of anxiety/discomfort,,or do you have a gut feeling something is amiss?

and not to tar all with the same brush or jump to unwarranted conclusions - if you feel something is inappropriate, don’t let him sway you with the fact she’ll be coming as a friend and meeting you/family so there’s clearly nothing going on - after my ex, someone told me ‘they hide in plain sight’ and this really stuck with me.

ask to see the messages, if he’s reluctant, it could be no more than he’s had a bit of a whinge to her he’d rather you not see, or it’s inappropriate conversation.

as for the woman, I cannot imagine striking up a conversation online with a random man then coming to see him, his partner and his family having done no more than have friendly messages and never been mentioned to any of them. But this is just my way of thinking I guess!

FictionalCharacter · 15/01/2025 20:11

grimmeeper · 15/01/2025 19:43

AND also trying to gaslight you by telling you he's already told you about her
Of course you'd remember that
I bloody would anyway

Yep, everyone would remember something as significant as that.

There's absolutely no way I would support a man through court cases and DV recovery without discussion with my husband.

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:15

PastaBelly · 15/01/2025 20:05

I wouldn’t like this if I’m honest. I might also have a bit of a backwards view on opposite sex friendships though.. I’m fine with pre established friendships, new work friendships, sports etc but not with messaging every day and being a shoulder to cry on for 18months, especially as it started online.
I’m not sure if it’s just the general attitude of how and where I’ve grown up, but the majority of my friends feel the same way- that there’s boundaries when you’re in a relationship. I’d class my friends husband as a close friend of 15 years and I don’t even have his phone number! I’ve gone through her if I’ve needed anything from him.

that’s not to say I don’t think men and women can have platonic friendships, I think it’s more than doable to keep them this way, but secretly messaging each day rings alarm bells for me. Maybe I’m a bit of a jealous person (and also biased from past experience) but I think messaging someone every day and hiding it from your partner is disrespectful - and that’s without cultivating an emotional relationship (helping her through a breakup sounds emotionally invested to me) and this is where feelings can get hurt, for you, and even your partner or this woman if one gets the wrong idea.

id want to see the messages, even if this made me look paranoid. I’d explain that I feel uncomfortable and would just like to see what sort of relationship this friendship looks like.

i suppose it depends on how your husband usually behaves - is he sociable and friendly to everyone and makes friends easily, helpful and supportive to them all? If this is his character and all is innocent, then fine.

if this is out of character, I’d have concerns.

i would also try and feel where your concern is coming from - is this coming from a place of anxiety/discomfort,,or do you have a gut feeling something is amiss?

and not to tar all with the same brush or jump to unwarranted conclusions - if you feel something is inappropriate, don’t let him sway you with the fact she’ll be coming as a friend and meeting you/family so there’s clearly nothing going on - after my ex, someone told me ‘they hide in plain sight’ and this really stuck with me.

ask to see the messages, if he’s reluctant, it could be no more than he’s had a bit of a whinge to her he’d rather you not see, or it’s inappropriate conversation.

as for the woman, I cannot imagine striking up a conversation online with a random man then coming to see him, his partner and his family having done no more than have friendly messages and never been mentioned to any of them. But this is just my way of thinking I guess!

we split when i was 8 months with our youngest as he was unhappy, resulted in me gaining a step son after we got back together (work colleague one night stand) so yes i have reasons, our babies are 7 months apart

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Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:16

FictionalCharacter · 15/01/2025 20:11

Yep, everyone would remember something as significant as that.

There's absolutely no way I would support a man through court cases and DV recovery without discussion with my husband.

i wouldnt give my number to any man either

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canyouletthedogoutplease · 15/01/2025 20:23

He's been providing emotional support to a woman he met online, on a daily basis for 18 months he only mentioned it to you once, 18 months ago, but hasn't mentioned her since?

This is so off I can smell it from here, sorry OP.

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:24

canyouletthedogoutplease · 15/01/2025 20:23

He's been providing emotional support to a woman he met online, on a daily basis for 18 months he only mentioned it to you once, 18 months ago, but hasn't mentioned her since?

This is so off I can smell it from here, sorry OP.

yeah my anxiety is through the roof may refer myself back to therapy

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PastaBelly · 15/01/2025 20:26

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:15

we split when i was 8 months with our youngest as he was unhappy, resulted in me gaining a step son after we got back together (work colleague one night stand) so yes i have reasons, our babies are 7 months apart

Oh my gosh! I’m sorry, that’s awful for you!

I would definitely have my doubts in this case.

im usually a bit wary of jumping to the he’s cheating conclusion but… I completely understand your worry!

my ex would message random women, private message girls he spoke to on nights out (all secretly, he got drunk and left his phone open on messenger one night) I explained how I felt he apologise blah blah

years later, turns out this never stopped, found out after he had an affair with my best friend right under mine and the children’s noses. (She came to me after the first Ruth came out and was concerned he’d been messaging women whilst they were carrying on behind my back. The nerve haha) Gaslighting when questioned. My concerns and even accusations were always met with “we’re just friends!” And they blatantly flirted in front of me under this excuse. Which is why I would be wary of his using the boxing event and family being present as ‘proof’ that all is innocent.

im sorry, it doesn’t sound good, but hoping I am wrong if you are happy in your relationship and want it to continue

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:31

PastaBelly · 15/01/2025 20:26

Oh my gosh! I’m sorry, that’s awful for you!

I would definitely have my doubts in this case.

im usually a bit wary of jumping to the he’s cheating conclusion but… I completely understand your worry!

my ex would message random women, private message girls he spoke to on nights out (all secretly, he got drunk and left his phone open on messenger one night) I explained how I felt he apologise blah blah

years later, turns out this never stopped, found out after he had an affair with my best friend right under mine and the children’s noses. (She came to me after the first Ruth came out and was concerned he’d been messaging women whilst they were carrying on behind my back. The nerve haha) Gaslighting when questioned. My concerns and even accusations were always met with “we’re just friends!” And they blatantly flirted in front of me under this excuse. Which is why I would be wary of his using the boxing event and family being present as ‘proof’ that all is innocent.

im sorry, it doesn’t sound good, but hoping I am wrong if you are happy in your relationship and want it to continue

im so sorry you went through all that, i will also be at the boxing event which baffles me why he invited her?

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StrawHatLuffy · 15/01/2025 20:32

Whether this is right or wrong whatever

Why the fuck you put up with this bullshit?

A relationship of any sort should add to your life. Not cause anxiety and a need for a therapist..

You don't owe him a relationship. Leave. Be happy and anxiety free on your own.

FictionalCharacter · 15/01/2025 20:32

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:24

yeah my anxiety is through the roof may refer myself back to therapy

Therapy for you won't fix his behaviour. Even if he's genuinely just helping this woman, he shouldn't be doing it behind your back.

canyouletthedogoutplease · 15/01/2025 20:44

i will also be at the boxing event which baffles me why he invited her?

Because some men have got balls of brass and are so high on their own bullshit they're getting away with, they will just keep pushing it because they're convinced that you are a)stupid enough not to see what's under your nose, and b) besotted with them enough not to leave him if you do.

You get to decide if you're happy to be with a middle aged man who makes friends with women on TikTok, maintains secret 18 month friendships with them.

If that's ok for you, and that's the deal you've got in your relationship, then fine. If it's not ok with you, then it's not. You get to decide, he doesn't get to tell you how you feel, and what you're willing to accept. That's your choice.

PastaBelly · 15/01/2025 20:51

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 20:31

im so sorry you went through all that, i will also be at the boxing event which baffles me why he invited her?

It’s bizarre what goes through their minds isn’t it!
I think mine enjoyed the excitement of their secret, and the ego boost of having his partner of 20 years and affair partner both around him. I may read too much in to things, but I think he enjoyed getting away with it and they both had a thrill from me being stupid.

I don’t understand why the woman is coming to be truthful, or bringing her daughter, unless it’s truly innocent or to lol innocent and pull the wool over your eyes. I can’t wrap my head around it so I really feel for you in this situation.

even if it is innocent and a genuine platonic friendship, the fact it’s been going on so long in secret is out of order, especially considering what he’s already put you through. If he respected you and your relationship and family, he wouldn’t even entertain handing his phone number out to unknown women.

I do think men and women can be just friends, but I also am of the belief that if you are in a committed relationship, you don’t actively seek new friendships like this out.

I’m pretty certain he would not be happy if the situation was reversed and you were bringing a random male friend along

Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:09

PastaBelly · 15/01/2025 20:51

It’s bizarre what goes through their minds isn’t it!
I think mine enjoyed the excitement of their secret, and the ego boost of having his partner of 20 years and affair partner both around him. I may read too much in to things, but I think he enjoyed getting away with it and they both had a thrill from me being stupid.

I don’t understand why the woman is coming to be truthful, or bringing her daughter, unless it’s truly innocent or to lol innocent and pull the wool over your eyes. I can’t wrap my head around it so I really feel for you in this situation.

even if it is innocent and a genuine platonic friendship, the fact it’s been going on so long in secret is out of order, especially considering what he’s already put you through. If he respected you and your relationship and family, he wouldn’t even entertain handing his phone number out to unknown women.

I do think men and women can be just friends, but I also am of the belief that if you are in a committed relationship, you don’t actively seek new friendships like this out.

I’m pretty certain he would not be happy if the situation was reversed and you were bringing a random male friend along

its also came to light that he talks to her eldest daughter too (adult) and has her number he asked if this would also be and issue..

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Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:13

StrawHatLuffy · 15/01/2025 20:32

Whether this is right or wrong whatever

Why the fuck you put up with this bullshit?

A relationship of any sort should add to your life. Not cause anxiety and a need for a therapist..

You don't owe him a relationship. Leave. Be happy and anxiety free on your own.

17 years and 4 kids is alot to just throw away

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Doggymummar · 16/01/2025 18:15

Nostaw84 · 15/01/2025 19:25

he said he was helping her through her court appearances and dv and a friendship grew. i just don't understand why he needed to gi9ve his mobile number to her.

Is he a lawyer?

Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:19

Doggymummar · 16/01/2025 18:15

Is he a lawyer?

no but he has been there for me when i went through it (my ex caused horrific drama/trouble) so he does have knowledge about it all and what happens.

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Doggymummar · 16/01/2025 18:22

Seems weird, where did they meet exactly?

Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:23

Doggymummar · 16/01/2025 18:22

Seems weird, where did they meet exactly?

on tiktok he watched her lives

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nodramaplz · 16/01/2025 18:30

@Nostaw84
17 years and 4 kids he's thrown away already.

Not you.

StormingNorman · 16/01/2025 18:31

I would be extremely uncomfortable with this. The messaging and the invite.

Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:34

StormingNorman · 16/01/2025 18:31

I would be extremely uncomfortable with this. The messaging and the invite.

i am, i've felt sick for 2 days cant sleep and no appetite but have to crack on

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Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:35

nodramaplz · 16/01/2025 18:30

@Nostaw84
17 years and 4 kids he's thrown away already.

Not you.

looking that way :(

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PastaBelly · 16/01/2025 18:36

Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:09

its also came to light that he talks to her eldest daughter too (adult) and has her number he asked if this would also be and issue..

I find that almost disturbing to be honest! I cannot understand in what context any of them find this normal?
tell him direct her here if she needs a shoulder 🤣 plenty on here seeking/offering insight and advice. You do not need to find this approaching total strangers online to privately message.

surely this woman and her daughter have their own friends

i’m not saying you can’t make friends this way, but this situation your husband is in seems abnormal to me.

even if all is above board on his side, I’d have concerns this woman has an emotional attachment. Seems a bit too invested to me to even entertain the idea of travelling a couple of hours to meet a man who is really a stranger, and a load of his family.

maybe I’m a bit sheltered or behind with the times, or just my social awkwardness kicking in, but I’d be uneasy with the whole thing. I just find it disrespectful to you. Are wider family aware these women will be attending? How do they feel about it? I’d feel very uncomfortable being sat with my husband and family members and having to explain the strangers as your husbands new best friends! (And I’d feel uncomfortable if I was the woman/daughter to be honest!)

krne · 16/01/2025 18:37

I would not be ok about that at all. Has he met her in real life yet or will this be the first time? I would definitely be asking to see the messages.

Nostaw84 · 16/01/2025 18:40

PastaBelly · 16/01/2025 18:36

I find that almost disturbing to be honest! I cannot understand in what context any of them find this normal?
tell him direct her here if she needs a shoulder 🤣 plenty on here seeking/offering insight and advice. You do not need to find this approaching total strangers online to privately message.

surely this woman and her daughter have their own friends

i’m not saying you can’t make friends this way, but this situation your husband is in seems abnormal to me.

even if all is above board on his side, I’d have concerns this woman has an emotional attachment. Seems a bit too invested to me to even entertain the idea of travelling a couple of hours to meet a man who is really a stranger, and a load of his family.

maybe I’m a bit sheltered or behind with the times, or just my social awkwardness kicking in, but I’d be uneasy with the whole thing. I just find it disrespectful to you. Are wider family aware these women will be attending? How do they feel about it? I’d feel very uncomfortable being sat with my husband and family members and having to explain the strangers as your husbands new best friends! (And I’d feel uncomfortable if I was the woman/daughter to be honest!)

i don't want her or her daughter to come but its his event. i feel a complete idiot to be honest. i told him she will have an emotional attachment to him and tbh he must have with her so.... nope his family have no idea im interetsed in what they will think though. i feel akward as his partner i feel like ive done something wrong

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