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Am I wrong for thinking that this is inappropriate?

78 replies

MDF34 · 07/01/2025 00:03

My partner and I have been together for 18 years- we are both 36 years old.

Our entire relationship he made is very clear that he did not believe that men and women could be friends. As a result he made my life extremely difficult when it came to socialising as a mixed group of colleagues as men would be present. To the point, that I couldn't do it as it wasn't worth the days of arguments afterwards. I never felt the same way and used to encourage him to socialise with his colleagues when they were going out as a group.

However, I recently saw that he and a female colleague were exchanging almost daily messages on Instagram. He didn't know that I had seen these messages and it didn't bother me, but I became suspicious when I saw that he had deleted them. I confronted him about why he deleted them and he said there weren't any messages. When he couldn't deny it anymore (because I referenced one of the messages), he eventually admitted it. I later found out just after this that he had been going for drinks after work with this same female colleague alone on multiple occasions. He says that the dynamic in his office is a 'sociable drinks after work' environment. However, I feel like it's crossing a boundary to go alone for drinks with a female colleague and especially after deleting Instagram messages (they seemed innocent but he also lied about them). He thinks that I am not understanding his work dynamic and that's why I find it inappropriate. And if I understood then I would think it was perfectly fine (he has worked in this industry for 12 years so I'm not unfamiliar to it).

Am I wrong for feeling uncomfortable with this? I personally feel like it's crossing a boundary to go for drinks alone on multiple occasions. I also feel like I struggle to understand how he doesn't see it in the same way given his jealousy issues. Any advice is appreciated

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RachelGreensHair · 07/01/2025 00:05

Coercive control

nonbinaryfinery · 07/01/2025 00:06

He's a fucking hypocrite.

I wouldn't be having that, and don't let him paint it as a work relationship when it's clearly nothing of the sort.

Men and women can absolutely be friends, but he's clearly thinking it only applies when he does it.

I wouldn't be involved with someone with that mindset either, I'd get rid.

Kibble29 · 07/01/2025 00:08

Firstly, stopping you from socialising around other men because of his own insecurities was coercive control.

He didn’t lock you in the house but he made sure you knew that going out wasn’t worth it because of the arguments you’d have, so you were as good as locked in.

As per a typical controller, you do as they say but not as they do. That’s why it’s fine for him to go out with a woman for drinks. He doesn’t need to abide by the same rules as you.

Lying about the existence of the messages is him gaslighting you.

Bonjourmesfuckers · 07/01/2025 00:13

So its different rules for him then
Deleting messages and secret drinks sounds fishy
If you dont have kids break up.

WonderingWanda · 07/01/2025 00:18

Even if it is entirely innocent..... but considering the deleted messages, secrecy and just the two of them going to the pub isn't looking that way..... I think you should get rid of the hypocritical bastard for controlling your social life.

Callisto1 · 07/01/2025 00:22

He is a massive hypocrite. Him saying that men and women can’t be friends gives you a window into how he works. As in he can’t look at a woman as a friend. I think maybe this bs seems ok at 18, but you are much older and wiser now surely and can see him for what he is.

BobbyBiscuits · 07/01/2025 00:22

Tell him you're pleased to see he's changed his very narrow minded view about opposite sex friendships.
Therefore you'll be resuming socialising with friends and colleagues of both sexes on a regular basis.
How you're looking forward to nightly conversations and drinks with Steve, Dave, Paul, Barry etc. 'Maybe you and Matilda could join us one evening?'

Say it with a straight face but quite casually. Innocently almost.

His reaction will tell you all you need to know.

If you didn't know already he's a fucking arsehole.

PullTheBricksDown · 07/01/2025 00:23

What double standards crap. So men and women can't be friends, except when he does it because he's special? It makes a mockery of everything he's said, the hypocrite.

Redruby2020 · 07/01/2025 00:24

No wonder he saw it as wrong, for you to socialise in a group with men included. Because he knew what he was doing.

Endofyear · 07/01/2025 00:41

So you're not allowed to socialise in a group of colleagues if there are men there but it's ok for him to go for drinks with his female colleague on their own? He's taking the piss OP. The question is what are you going to do about it? Is this the impetus you need to end the relationship?

Persista · 07/01/2025 00:48

Because he projected what he would do onto you.

TipsyJoker · 07/01/2025 00:54

He’s cheating on you
he’s controlling and abusive
this won’t get better
end the relationship

WhydontyouMove · 07/01/2025 00:58

I think your bigger problem is the coercive control. What’s prevented you from leaving him?

XChrome · 07/01/2025 01:12

RachelGreensHair · 07/01/2025 00:05

Coercive control

Exactly.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/01/2025 01:13

Bonjourmesfuckers · 07/01/2025 00:13

So its different rules for him then
Deleting messages and secret drinks sounds fishy
If you dont have kids break up.

If you do have kids, still break up.

Jom222 · 07/01/2025 01:17

For 18 years he decreed that men and women cannot be friends to the point that you were unable to socialize with coworkers if men were present and he gave you DAYS of hell when it did occur

but now he’d decided to actively hide from you the fact that he’s messaging and going drinking alone with a female coworker?

yeah thats a no for me dog. Hypocrite either cheating or trying to.

Sceptical123 · 07/01/2025 05:39

How can he justify men and women not being able to be just friends now?🍿

beencaughttrollin · 07/01/2025 05:46

Our entire relationship he made is very clear that he did not believe that men and women could be friends. As a result he made my life extremely difficult when it came to socialising as a mixed group of colleagues as men would be present. To the point, that I couldn't do it as it wasn't worth the days of arguments afterwards...

I'm sorry, but this person has been manipulating you unfairly. I understand why you maybe didn't initially see it as you were young and probably inexperienced when you got together, but see it now. He's a misogynist.

RedHelenB · 07/01/2025 05:50

nonbinaryfinery · 07/01/2025 00:06

He's a fucking hypocrite.

I wouldn't be having that, and don't let him paint it as a work relationship when it's clearly nothing of the sort.

Men and women can absolutely be friends, but he's clearly thinking it only applies when he does it.

I wouldn't be involved with someone with that mindset either, I'd get rid.

This. No need to dwell on it further.

Pigsinblankets13 · 07/01/2025 06:41

He's crossed a line here ... Majorly

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 07/01/2025 06:45

I’m hoping you don’t have kids with him. You’re still young enough to leave him and start a fresh. He’s a joke! You know it.

healthybychristmas · 07/01/2025 07:26

Awful man, controlling, coercive, selfish and a cheat. Get away from him as fast as you can and start again.

Wallacewhite · 07/01/2025 07:28

I would leave him based on the second paragraph alone.

TangerineClementine · 07/01/2025 07:30

How can he possibly justify this as "work dynamic" when you weren't allowed to do the same thing with your work colleagues? I would be absolutely livid OP. For the sheer hypocrisy as well as this specific situation.

Sparklysnowman · 07/01/2025 07:31

RachelGreensHair · 07/01/2025 00:05

Coercive control

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