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Boyfriend said something disturbing

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spottedpjs · 19/12/2024 12:32

I changed name for this and would love responses especially from people who watches / likes movies showing an apocalyptic world

We were talking about The Walking Dead. He watched a few years ago and I’m just watching now.

So I asked him if he was leaving in a word like TWD:

  • Would he kill any zombies? He said yes
  • Would he lie, cheat, deceive, kill any humans so he can get their supplies? He said yes if he wanted to keep / thought it was worth keep surviving
  • Would he kill a baby? He said yes because they are easy to kill and are just there doing nothing
  • Would he eat the baby? He said yes, it would taste like veal

If you don’t know, there is a baby in TWD and people go to great lenghts to protect her and help her survive so his answers were very shocking and disturbing to me even though we were talking about something that is totally not real and will never ever happen

What does it say about his personality?

And to ask some questions in advance: he has no children, doesn’t show any signs of violence, has his life together and a good job, good social life, comes from a normal family and as far as I know has never been involved in anything bad, unlawful.
He seemed well adjusted until now.

I know him for nearly 2 years and live separately.

OP posts:
EveInEden · 19/12/2024 20:30

I often wonder whether it is more ethical to eat our dead rather than bury or burn them. And rather then farm animals and all the environmental impact associated with it.

I'm a vegetarian, so no skin in the game-until I die!

As far as I am aware, my husband isn't freaked out by my musings.

TypingoftheDead · 19/12/2024 20:34

Eyesopenwideawake · 19/12/2024 15:39

He's completely wrong, babies* taste like chicken.

(*all humans taste like chicken, allegedly)

Edited

Actually one of the nicknames for humans is “long pig” - we taste like pork. Apparently.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2024 20:46

WrylyAmused · 19/12/2024 18:23

For everyone who says they'd hold on to their morals & compassion, I highly recommend reading about the Milgram Experiment, and the original Stanford Prison Experiment.

Plus there's a really good book called The Lucifer Effect, by Dr Phillip Zimbardo, who did the Stanford experiment.

The results consistently show that over 80% of people do not hold on to their morals and compassion, even in relatively low stress situations where they know it's an experiment.

So I suspect, in times of actual life or death stress, survival is a much higher imperative than ethics, for almost everyone.
Always nice to think you'd be different, but probably no more than a comforting fantasy.

American journalist Alfred Henry Louis, in 1896, said:
Those of us who are well fed, well garmented and well ordered, ought not to forget that necessity makes frequently the root of crime. It is well for us to recollect that even in our own law-abiding, not to say virtuous cases, the only barrier between us and anarchy is the last nine meals we’ve had. It may be taken as axiomatic that a starving man is never a good citizen.

It's fascinating isn't it?

The Holodomor saw families eating their babies to try and help their other children survive (sadly we see similar contemporary issues in Afghanistan where young girls are sold off to be married to old men so that mothers can afford to feed their other children).

There's also accounts I've read from holocaust survivors about how one of the psychological impacts was many did things which resulted in others suffering in some way. Even simple things like stealing food from friends or even accepting food from a friend whilst hiding and not sharing their own. A lot of this remained unspoken but haunted survivors. There were, of course, also much worse acts.

Then there's very recent news about Syria and what people did as part of torture (raping other prisoners knowing if they didn't they would be tortured or killed for example).

Surviving generally in such extremes shows up the extent to which moral values ultimately become luxuries that may cost you your life.

I think we live in a world where we are so far removed from the sheer awfulness of humanity.

I'd like to think I'd retain my values, but I just don't know.

Me and my friends have jokingly got a 'zombie apocalypse plan'. We've given the subject thought, but underneath the surface there is also an understanding of what the reality of a sudden collapse in society would involve, and how you would survive.

If you have given it any thoughts at all, it very quickly goes from joking about prepping. Then you think about how quickly looting would start and there's a breakdown in law and order. Who could you trust and rely on? Where do they live? Could you get to them easily and safely? And then you start to think about the longer term stuff. Do you know how to survive? What skills do you have? What knowledge do you have? If you are seen to be surviving, how many people can you help support without risking the safety of your closest and actually the safety of the group as a whole (reasonably do you have to limit your group in some way because you can't support certain people who don't offer anything to the group - such as the very old or very young - but are another mouth to feed?). Just how long could you last without the supermarkets opening before you considered stealing food? Do you know how and what you can forage safely? How do you eat it? Does it need to be cooked? If you need to cook it, how do you do that quickly without attracting others attention? How many people can foragable food in your area support? If someone was trying to break in and steal what you had, how far would you go to defend your family?

It's incredibly bleak.

As I say, in this scenario, I think there would be a period of all out anarchy where morals and ethics definitely would be abandoned far more quickly than people are willing to believe and this is a really uncomfortable truth. Humans are selfish. They are tribal. The choice to protect your own over others will always come up at some point.

It would only be if you somehow on your wits, by luck and by virtue of picking the right allies you survived to the next stage where the situation stabilised that you'd really be able to say about your morals.

Anyone who says differently isn't honest and/or is exceptionally naive. And certainly hasn't really thought about the massive plot holes in zombie movies.

Worries about dentistry and food poisoning really wouldn't make it much past month two I suspect...

Purplecatshopaholic · 19/12/2024 22:27

Ask stupid questions, you get stupid answers…
Watch the film Alive (1993) based on a true story and see what you think you would do..

VikingLady · 19/12/2024 22:35

Ladyinbeds · 19/12/2024 20:25

@VikingLady Also, you're very welcome to join the post-apocolyptic tribe that @Pinkbonbon and I are setting up. If you'd like of course, as we wouldn't want to force people to join against their will.

I'd love to, thank you. I'm truly excellent at spotting problems with EVERYTHING, or so my mum informs me. A useful skill. Advance troubleshooting. Plus I'm good with preserving foods, a fair amount of unqualified medical stuff, and I can bring a stack of survivalist stuff (we went through a brief Brexit paranoid prepping phase).

@Pinkbonbon I don't want to think about oral chlamydia. Thank you for that 🤣

VikingLady · 19/12/2024 22:36

Ladyinbeds · 19/12/2024 20:21

@VikingLady I was not aware of that either. Good to know! I think one of those temperature checker stick things would be essential to make sure the meat is cooked properly. And another trip to the library to learn the ins-and-outs of food safety!

Ooh, I have two! They came free with expensive Christmas turkeys!

FuckItItsFine · 19/12/2024 22:39

This reminds me of Peep Show when Jeremy is sickened when Mark says he wouldn’t have joined the resistance in France in WWII.

”I’d probably just have got in a train to Berlin and taken Hitler down” 🤣

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VikingLady · 19/12/2024 22:41

On a more serious note, my grandfather survived the holodomor. Although he escaped in his early teens - walked to nazi Germany because he'd heard they fed their land workers and he was lucky enough to be blond/blue - he never topped five foot in height. His kids were both tall so he had the DNA for it.

He never let his kids play out because it was triggering for him. I remember a very drunken evening when he was telling my dad how kids that played out disappeared and everyone knew they'd been eaten.

In real hardship nature generally wins out. We prioritise our immediate family, or some people only prioritise themselves. Your instincts want you to protect your chance of passing on your own DNA, and fuck everyone else.

Ladyinbeds · 20/12/2024 16:29

In case anyone's interested, there's a 2013 UK c4 film called Blackout about a nationwide powercut. It follows how things deteriorate even though the power is only off for a few days. It's filmed in Blair Witch camera style and I love it because it feels like 'what would a typical middle class mumsnet family do in this situation'.

It's available to watch on 4oD and Youtube. Here's the 4oD link: 4oD - Blackout 2013 drama documentary

I am watching it again as we speak haha!

Watch Blackout (drama documentary) | Stream free on Channel 4

'What-If' drama exploring the effects of a cyber-attack on UK's national electricity grid

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/blackout-drama-documentary/on-demand/56188-001

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