Boyfriend said something disturbing

[spottedpjs]

I changed name for this and would love responses especially from people who watches / likes movies showing an apocalyptic world

We were talking about The Walking Dead. He watched a few years ago and I’m just watching now.

So I asked him if he was leaving in a word like TWD:

• Would he kill any zombies? He said yes
• Would he lie, cheat, deceive, kill any humans so he can get their supplies? He said yes if he wanted to keep / thought it was worth keep surviving

• Would he kill a baby? He said yes because they are easy to kill and are just there doing nothing
• Would he eat the baby? He said yes, it would taste like veal

If you don’t know, there is a baby in TWD and people go to great lenghts to protect her and help her survive so his answers were very shocking and disturbing to me even though we were talking about something that is totally not real and will never ever happen

What does it say about his personality?

And to ask some questions in advance: he has no children, doesn’t show any signs of violence, has his life together and a good job, good social life, comes from a normal family and as far as I know has never been involved in anything bad, unlawful.
He seemed well adjusted until now.

I know him for nearly 2 years and live separately.

For everyone who says they'd hold on to their morals & compassion, I highly recommend reading about the Milgram Experiment, and the original Stanford Prison Experiment.

Plus there's a really good book called The Lucifer Effect, by Dr Phillip Zimbardo, who did the Stanford experiment.

The results consistently show that over 80% of people do not hold on to their morals and compassion, even in relatively low stress situations where they know it's an experiment.

So I suspect, in times of actual life or death stress, survival is a much higher imperative than ethics, for almost everyone.
Always nice to think you'd be different, but probably no more than a comforting fantasy.

American journalist Alfred Henry Louis, in 1896, said:
Those of us who are well fed, well garmented and well ordered, ought not to forget that necessity makes frequently the root of crime. It is well for us to recollect that even in our own law-abiding, not to say virtuous cases, the only barrier between us and anarchy is the last nine meals we’ve had. It may be taken as axiomatic that a starving man is never a good citizen.

I think I would feel ethically more comfortable ethically saying 'your body your choice but if you're not on birth control and a baby results, you know there are consequences'. Rather than the rule being to take birth control.

Ethically, I feel I that yes, I could be ruthless in that situation if it were my call. They knew the consequences. The group saftey comes first. However, if we were in a fixed location that was safe and had the resources I would perhaps support to have them stay and attempt to help you with the sound proofing idea.

Alternatively, I would attempt to help them find a new, safe location away from our camp and help them with supplies as best as I could.

I think the later is the option i would go with. Because otherwise, what's the deterent to others breaking the rules and having kids willy nilly?

I wouldn't want to jeopardise the lives of the group no matter how much I wanted to help the couple. But I would endevor to help them as best as I could, alongside anyone who wished to do the same.

No chance am i hanging around when the baby is born though xD Quick food drop offs only.

And tbh, nah I don't think I can get behind the soundproofing idea because...people are too much of a risk. The build itself might work. But people who got pregnant during an apocalypse...they're a liability the group doesn't need. They just can't be trusted. I'd pity them but I'd always act in the interests of the larger group. And in that situation, my own self interest too.

He wouldn't literally eat a baby. Why would he ever need to? But in some catastrophic circumstances people sometimes do have to resort to cannibalism to survive. This is not a likely scenario in yours or your children's lifetime.
It's a TV show. Maybe you shouldn't watch such things if it causes you to be scared of things in real life.

sorry I think its weird you asked the question!

@MsCactus
Unfortunately this has been tested.
Look up the Holodomor.
Mothers going into the forest with their youngest... enough said.

I know what you mean - the baby in the walking dead really put me on edge, my husband too. In the end i had to Google if she died as I couldn’t bear watching it if she did.
She does actually die in the comics but they didn’t put it on the program as a lot of people would have turned off.

this would make me feel wierd if my husband was the same as your partner

I think perhaps we need to accept that babies would happen within a year or two of the initial apocolypse and base planning around that assumption. I think that the man in the baby scenario would be of greater value to to the community, as he'd now have more impetus to take on a provider and protector role.

Who knows, maybe he could become your partner's second in command! I am not saying that only men can take on that role btw, just thinking about this particular scenario. You're unofficial second in command anyway.

For the compound itself, we'd need to get chicken wire fencing stuff and the dad-to-be could might be a good person to do that. I am also trying to think of off-shore small islands near to the mainland, which would provide a moat. Not the highlands for me though - bit too cold!

Ooh can we go somewhere sunny? You can be our location scout!

Tbh if it was before we established security and with the no baby rule still in place - I'd see the man as a trouble maker and be somewhat unyielding. Because he didn't value us when he thought about dipping his wick. Her neither. Normally I lean towards being second chances person. But not in such times.

Not unless s/he had a rare skill like dentistry we really need as it's irreplaceable. Even then, whilst I'd urge some compassion in the form of helping them set up somewhere new, I would also council on explusion. Perhaps to the peripheries where their skills may still be of use.

Once a community is safe and established, rules can be changed. Children may be allowed.

You've convinced me on the baby issue! Bravo. Ok so they can be on their merry way. Unless they're dentists. Or healers. Or outstanding at hunting as they were a professional bear grylls type person before the apocolypse.

Actually I'm now veering back to your original idea of no men at all. To sequest ourselves for the first few years. I am hoping that your partner is also female.

I think sailing to the Channel Islands could be manageable. They have really nice weather there I hear. I have a bit of sailing experience so could captain the yacht. Would need to brush up on that at the library first though, naturally.

hmmm, depends on how he said it. Me and my friends have very flippant, 'dark' humour, and honestly this sounds like something one of my friends would say. They wouldn't mean it though, and they'd be very obviously horrified and traumatised to be in that situation, and wouldn't hurt anyone. If you feel like your boyfriend genuinely said it as a 'hmmm yeah I don't see any moral issue with doing that and i wouldn't feel bad about it', that's a problem.

Yep, or because he didn't know how to answer the question "would you still love me if I turned into a worm?"

I don't know that I'd consider them my partner. I'd hope we'd be a collective with a good leader. But maybe when they bugger off I'd take temporary charge. ...haha does that make me the Disney dad of the group? XD

I'm up for an all women group on a yacht. Or, maybe a cruise ship if we can get one 🤔
I think in that situation we wouldn't need leadership the same though. We could vote on stuff. Though tbf I think someone to delegate is always useful. Maybe someone with final say in tie situations too.

Maybe we can make space for an onboard library :)

How naive and boring are you OP?

@Pinkbonbon Perhaps we should add rule 3, no breeding, at this current time- indefinitely. And, because we might need it, 4. Any man attempting to coerce, assault or otherwise harm a woman to be thrown fourthwith to the zombies.

Then you're adding a muscly zombie. Better to eat them, I think.

Yeah this is a very weird thing to say. Was he looking for a reaction from you? It obviously shows a lack of empathy.

Fair point. I was hoping they'd be hungry enough to eat him tbh. Maybe we should shoot him first just incase. I'm still not for the cannibalism though.

It has to be a boat with wind sailing capacity in case the engine failed. Also off-grid solar electricty would be handy.

I did consider living on the seas permanently as an option. But risk of pirates would be very serious. And nowhere to hide/go if they attacked.

On-board library of course!

I'm a vegetarian of 15+ years standing . If in any apocalypse , and I was starving and there was no food about , I'd go on the hunt for birds , fish & even animals that were probably pets ( cats & dogs etc) to eat.

I just thought about diseases that could be passed on through eating our own species. I have no idea what would be transmissible and I'm not having that on my internet history!

Presumably CJD/BSE can be. Does cooking kill viruses? I wouldn't want to risk HIV or hepatitis if I bite my tongue whilst eating slightly rare human in a post apocalyptic world where medicine is scarce.

'Honestly I'm nor sure how I got the chlamydia doctor. Must have been from eating that Daniel geezer'.

I think he's probably right about baby tasting like veal - both fed exclusively on milk so they'd taste similar?

@VikingLady I was not aware of that either. Good to know! I think one of those temperature checker stick things would be essential to make sure the meat is cooked properly. And another trip to the library to learn the ins-and-outs of food safety!

Yeah fair point, would be tricky to hide a cruise ship too.

Perhaps we could find a seacave too moor a yaght in. Maybe one with several exit points just incase. Set up a guard and alarm system. Though, higher ground might be handy too.

Perhaps we could sleep at sea at night.

That's what happens when you try to pass yourself off as a cannibal without doing your research 🍴🐖

@VikingLady Also, you're very welcome to join the post-apocolyptic tribe that @Pinkbonbon and I are setting up. If you'd like of course, as we wouldn't want to force people to join against their will.