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Traumatised after first date, I need to know if I’m overreacting. *Content warning - Rape*

80 replies

JeyK · 17/12/2024 11:12

Long story short, I’ve been talking to this guy on an off for awhile, we have mutual friends, but this was the first time that we had met in person. I find him attractive physically and during our first date I did get a little tipsy but as the days have gone by I’m starting to remember things that happened and a lot of things don’t sit right with me. On an emotional and maturity level, we are definitely not aligned.

So firstly, I was the one who drove on this date. He told me he had car problems so I had to end up picking him up. I’m not judgemental so I did it. He does cocaine whereas I just drink occasionally but I only realised on our date what he’s really about. He yanked my hair while I was driving several times and I started to get annoyed and told him to stop. the first time it seemed a bit playful but then he kept doing it and harder. I have long hair as well. To me, it doesn’t matter how comfortable I make you feel because I know I give off that vibe, but I just think the line was crossed there firstly. he’s also five years older than me so I’m not sure if he just likes to feel in control.

We went out to eat and he kept trying to kiss me and in a very intense way it wasn’t like just a peck on the lips. It was very full on and I felt uncomfortable and I told him to stop because we’re in a public space. I’m also someone who’s quite introverted so you can imagine that this was out of my comfort zone. He kept saying to me why do you keep pushing me away. His life seems quite chaotic and during the night he did have moments where he would kind of trauma dump on me about his childhood and stuff, but like I said I know I have that nurturing energy and people tend to feel safe around me, so I didn’t mind it.

I’m not sure if I should’ve drew the line here, but we ended up going back to mine and just chilling out for a bit we did have sex. I did enjoy it at first, but after a few long rounds, I was literally done for and he was finding it hard to finish and told me this was because the cocktail of drugs that he had done which causes him problems in that department. But it literally got to a stage where my body could no longer take it and he kept trying to continue. I told him that I can’t do this anymore several times and I’m in pain and he proceeded and at one point I was literally just lifeless whilst he was still on top of me going & sweating I just feel disgusted when I remember those moments in my head. He even said to me during “we’re not stopping until I come“ After he ran out of energy, I had a panic attack in my room. I think this was due to what my body had just been put through I was pushed way over my limit. I’d literally never felt like this after sex during any point of my life. He wasn’t aware of the panic attack. But my body literally went into shock but it’s only as days have gone on that I’ve realised that this isn’t okay. I’ve literally been in pain for three days. I’ve had to work from home because I could barely walk for the first two days. I’ve also noticed the way that he talks to other women in his life is just atrocious and he also has some deep mother wounds so this could play a role in his behaviour.

I’m just not sure how to feel about this all. he has checked in on me and called me several times and just keeps asking me if I’m okay but doesn’t go into depth about the night. as my memory comes back to me he clearly knows that something was wrong. I even had a really emotional tearful moment last night when thinking about it all and I’m usually a tough cookie so I’m not sure what happened. but how do I proceed with this moving forward?

I’m not a confrontational person and I don’t want to start drama with him .

OP posts:
gamerchick · 17/12/2024 13:45

OP, it sounds like you need to be checked out medically. He could have really hurt you. Please speak to a friend, you need someone IRL.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 17/12/2024 13:47

You need to seek medical help if you're still injured 3 days later.

Speak to rape crisis and the police. He's scum!

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/12/2024 14:08

The moment that you told him to stop and he didn't was when it became rape.

I recommend that you get a gynecological exam because it sounds like he has injured you internally.

You deserve better than that.

DaisyChain505 · 17/12/2024 14:17

Please consider going to the police.

this man needs to be stopped and punished for his behaviour.

it you’re injured internally time is of the essence to get the proof.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 17/12/2024 14:20

What happened to you was awful and I'm so, so sorry. I would absolutely report him to the police- he is a vile rapist.

However, I really think you need to consider some of the poor decisions you made that night. You went back home with a man who was a walking red flag from the minute you picked him up. I really think this would be worth seeking counselling for- not only to process the trauma of being raped, but to process why you accepted his behaviour enough to continue with the date.

And there is just no excuse for driving while tipsy. None. You 'think' you were under the limit- if there was any doubt, you should not have driven.

oakleaffy · 17/12/2024 14:26

He sounds vile.
You are not a sex toy for him to masturbate into .
That sounds very aggressive.

Nasty little shit.

Maybe contact police-

But please raise your standards of safety going forwards.
It’s too dangerous to be inviting strange men into your house, or to be going into theirs especially one that has pulled your hair.( red flag)

Oreyt · 17/12/2024 14:27

@IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine
@oakleaffy

Agree

Sassybooklover · 17/12/2024 14:47

This man knew exactly what he was doing from the start. He deliberately asked you to drive, so he could 'test your boundaries' by pulling your hair - there's not much you can do to stop him if you're driving - and he knew it. He kept trying to kiss you, not a peck but a full blown kiss, during the date - again boundary testing. Consent can be withdrawn at any time during sex - you withdraw it because you were in pain. He didn't stop, didn't respect you and didn't care you were in pain. Therefore he raped you. You need to speak to Rape Crisis, and seek specialist help. I would advise you see your GP or get advice from the Rape Crisis team where you can go for help. You could be bruised, torn and quite possibly have a UTI too. I hope to goodness he used a condom, so you don't need STI tests too. How you proceed going forward is entirely up to you. Yes, in an ideal world, you should report it to the police but that's your choice, no one would think less of you if you didn't. At the very least, you need to save any messages he has sent you but block him. Sending you much love ❤️

Apolloneuro · 17/12/2024 14:52

Not sure why my last post was deleted, but if suggesting it’s unlikely to be so drunk you black out whilst also being under the limit breaks guidelines I’m a bit confused? I think it’s likely the poor op was spiked. Ho hum. I’ll post no more.

BiggerBoat1 · 17/12/2024 14:53

Please see a doctor and talk to a trusted friend. You have been raped. I’m so sorry you have been through this.

Foxblue · 17/12/2024 14:59

Oh I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I think you do need to be checked out medically. I'm so sorry to ask this, but did he use protection? You might also need to get the MAP/sti kit if not. I know that's probably very overwhelming but once you talk to someone they can guide you.

Beginningtolookalot · 17/12/2024 15:00

OP - I think the most important thing is that you seek medical help - they will help you navigate the rest but if you are still in pain then you need to be seen urgently

JeyK · 17/12/2024 15:06

Apolloneuro · 17/12/2024 14:52

Not sure why my last post was deleted, but if suggesting it’s unlikely to be so drunk you black out whilst also being under the limit breaks guidelines I’m a bit confused? I think it’s likely the poor op was spiked. Ho hum. I’ll post no more.

@Apolloneuro I didn’t delete your post. I also didn’t blackout. I’m just saying that my memory was very blurry from after we got back to mine. And it’s only as days have gone by that memories of the night are resurfacing. you suggested I’m fibbing about something there’s no need for me to. I had 2 cocktails and a tequila shot. Yes, I know this is irresponsible, but I’m definitely not lying about anything.

OP posts:
BobbyBiscuits · 17/12/2024 15:06

I'm so sorry for you. This is rape and it's disgraceful. I hope he gets punished. Please know you've done nothing wrong. He is scum. Tell everyone you know, he is in the wrong. Not you.

Apolloneuro · 17/12/2024 15:08

JeyK · 17/12/2024 15:06

@Apolloneuro I didn’t delete your post. I also didn’t blackout. I’m just saying that my memory was very blurry from after we got back to mine. And it’s only as days have gone by that memories of the night are resurfacing. you suggested I’m fibbing about something there’s no need for me to. I had 2 cocktails and a tequila shot. Yes, I know this is irresponsible, but I’m definitely not lying about anything.

Fair enough I should have said mistaken. Anyway, best of luck and I hope you feel better soon.

CowGirl19 · 17/12/2024 15:12

As soon as you said stop and he didn't it became rape - I'm sorry OP.
You need to go to a GP to get a check over - and if you are late you may need to think about a morning after pill too if it's not too late for that.
Please speak to someone.

Fluffyiguana · 17/12/2024 15:13

JeyK · 17/12/2024 15:06

@Apolloneuro I didn’t delete your post. I also didn’t blackout. I’m just saying that my memory was very blurry from after we got back to mine. And it’s only as days have gone by that memories of the night are resurfacing. you suggested I’m fibbing about something there’s no need for me to. I had 2 cocktails and a tequila shot. Yes, I know this is irresponsible, but I’m definitely not lying about anything.

For 2 average cocktails and a tequila shot that would mean you'd drank 7-8 units.

Depending on your size you would be over the drink driving limit after 1 to 2 units as a woman.

So you were potentially 8x over the drink drive limit.

Note: I say this to flag that the driving definitely isn't ok, and is a criminal offence, which OP seems unaware of. How much you drank makes no difference to the rape and doesn't excuse his behaviour.

Shatandfattered · 17/12/2024 15:14

Can't believe someone's picked and questioned details from this poor woman already on this post. No wonder rape keeps happening when the number one reason for people not reporting is fear of doubt!!

JeyK · 17/12/2024 15:19

Fluffyiguana · 17/12/2024 15:13

For 2 average cocktails and a tequila shot that would mean you'd drank 7-8 units.

Depending on your size you would be over the drink driving limit after 1 to 2 units as a woman.

So you were potentially 8x over the drink drive limit.

Note: I say this to flag that the driving definitely isn't ok, and is a criminal offence, which OP seems unaware of. How much you drank makes no difference to the rape and doesn't excuse his behaviour.

Ok. I already have acknowledged that this was irresponsible of me.

OP posts:
fishyrumour · 17/12/2024 15:30

SharkCage.pdf

Read this OP and learn how these kind of guys operate. He was testing your boundaries right from the beginning - certainly by pulling your hair and maybe even by getting you to drive. Never see this man again and drop any guy who tests you out like that.

It's not your fault you don't know what to look out for but you can protect yourself in the future. I'm so sorry you came across this scumbag.

https://ia903207.us.archive.org/14/items/radfem-books/SharkCage.pdf

MumblesParty · 17/12/2024 15:39

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Allthehorsesintheworld · 17/12/2024 16:08

I really think you need to get yourself medically checked out. You can ask for a female doctor or nurse, you can contact Rape Crisis who will help you.
To me —- and I have very little experience of the matter— it sounds like you may have been drugged. Recovering your memory as you’ve described does seem to go with being drugged.
You can report him to the police if you wish. He may have a previous record.
But above all else please look after yourself and make sure you’re not injured. And stay safe. We don’t have to be kind, or nice, or even polite to men who don’t deserve it. I’m leaving is a complete sentence.

DorothyWasRightTho · 17/12/2024 16:20

So sorry this happened to you OP. If you feel like you want this recorded, you can contact your local SARC centre (just google sarc plus your town/city). They can take photos and physical evidence which they can store for a long time (I think 2 years but may differ by centre) without you needing to make a police report. They’ll be able to advise you on your options.

Florol · 17/12/2024 16:47

@JeyK Please please promise yourself NOT EVER to go, or meet this man ever again.

He is dangerous.
He is showing you who he is, and its not nice. Take the 'good looks' away and what is left?
He is dangerous.
Don't entertain any messages from him and block him now please. If he comes round to your house, don't feel obliged to let him in. <<< this especially
He is dangerous.
Take care

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