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Traumatised after first date, I need to know if I’m overreacting. *Content warning - Rape*

80 replies

JeyK · 17/12/2024 11:12

Long story short, I’ve been talking to this guy on an off for awhile, we have mutual friends, but this was the first time that we had met in person. I find him attractive physically and during our first date I did get a little tipsy but as the days have gone by I’m starting to remember things that happened and a lot of things don’t sit right with me. On an emotional and maturity level, we are definitely not aligned.

So firstly, I was the one who drove on this date. He told me he had car problems so I had to end up picking him up. I’m not judgemental so I did it. He does cocaine whereas I just drink occasionally but I only realised on our date what he’s really about. He yanked my hair while I was driving several times and I started to get annoyed and told him to stop. the first time it seemed a bit playful but then he kept doing it and harder. I have long hair as well. To me, it doesn’t matter how comfortable I make you feel because I know I give off that vibe, but I just think the line was crossed there firstly. he’s also five years older than me so I’m not sure if he just likes to feel in control.

We went out to eat and he kept trying to kiss me and in a very intense way it wasn’t like just a peck on the lips. It was very full on and I felt uncomfortable and I told him to stop because we’re in a public space. I’m also someone who’s quite introverted so you can imagine that this was out of my comfort zone. He kept saying to me why do you keep pushing me away. His life seems quite chaotic and during the night he did have moments where he would kind of trauma dump on me about his childhood and stuff, but like I said I know I have that nurturing energy and people tend to feel safe around me, so I didn’t mind it.

I’m not sure if I should’ve drew the line here, but we ended up going back to mine and just chilling out for a bit we did have sex. I did enjoy it at first, but after a few long rounds, I was literally done for and he was finding it hard to finish and told me this was because the cocktail of drugs that he had done which causes him problems in that department. But it literally got to a stage where my body could no longer take it and he kept trying to continue. I told him that I can’t do this anymore several times and I’m in pain and he proceeded and at one point I was literally just lifeless whilst he was still on top of me going & sweating I just feel disgusted when I remember those moments in my head. He even said to me during “we’re not stopping until I come“ After he ran out of energy, I had a panic attack in my room. I think this was due to what my body had just been put through I was pushed way over my limit. I’d literally never felt like this after sex during any point of my life. He wasn’t aware of the panic attack. But my body literally went into shock but it’s only as days have gone on that I’ve realised that this isn’t okay. I’ve literally been in pain for three days. I’ve had to work from home because I could barely walk for the first two days. I’ve also noticed the way that he talks to other women in his life is just atrocious and he also has some deep mother wounds so this could play a role in his behaviour.

I’m just not sure how to feel about this all. he has checked in on me and called me several times and just keeps asking me if I’m okay but doesn’t go into depth about the night. as my memory comes back to me he clearly knows that something was wrong. I even had a really emotional tearful moment last night when thinking about it all and I’m usually a tough cookie so I’m not sure what happened. but how do I proceed with this moving forward?

I’m not a confrontational person and I don’t want to start drama with him .

OP posts:
JeyK · 17/12/2024 12:11

TwistedWonder · 17/12/2024 11:51

Absolutely agree. You were raped by this man and maybe drugged by sounds of it. You really need to report him to police as it’s likely he’s done this before and he’ll do it again.

You do need to stop dating until you’ve got proper boundaries in place and you understand why you ignored so many red flags with this creep.

None of this is victim blaming and the fault for the rape is 💯 on him. He’s an abuser and a criminal.

Thank you. This is the first date that I’ve had in a while. I’m usually very selective about who I choose to date or allow to get close to me, so I guess my judgement was off in this situation. All the red flags were also revealed in such a short amount of time during the night I guess I just didn’t see a way out at the time, intuitively I knew something was wrong but I’ve definitely learned from this.

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 17/12/2024 12:11

JeyK · 17/12/2024 11:35

@Apolloneuro

I mean when I do drink, I do have clouded moments. But it all seemed a blur to me until the last two days where my memory has been coming back and it’s very detailed. Or maybe I’m just processing that this wasn’t okay. I know a lot of people are saying that it’s classed as rape. I think it’s sometimes hard to digest when it starts off as consensual sex.

Even if you initially consented to sex, you can withdraw consent at any time, which you clearly did. Please speak to the Rape Crisis Centre and the police.

JeyK · 17/12/2024 12:13

Apolloneuro · 17/12/2024 11:46

Mmmm. Is there someone in real life you can speak to today? I don’t like the sound of this, lovey.

@Apolloneuro I do have a few close friends who I can talk to about this but when I explained it to them the morning after I hadn’t processed it as deeply as I have now so I wasn’t overly concerned initially. But I’ll definitely be confiding in them, I just needed to know if I was overreacting and hearing it from people outside of my situation who don’t know me was reassuring x

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applebee33 · 17/12/2024 12:20

Were you driving whilst drunk op ? Surely if you were driving you wouldn't be as drunk as to forget parts of the night ?

If not driving , is it possible he spiked you ? How did you get home with him

VoltaireMittyDream · 17/12/2024 12:21

I am so sorry this has happened to you. I also want to say, nothing about your ‘vibe’ or your being a nurturing person caused this, or justifies it. This man’s conduct was aggressive, sadistic, controlling and abusive - and entirely his own choice and his own responsibility.

This was a terrible experience, and it makes absolute sense that you feel the way you do. Please protect and care for yourself and do not have any further contact with him. He is a very dangerous man.

StopStartStop · 17/12/2024 12:24

I’m just not sure how to feel about this all.
I'm outraged, horrified and upset. I wasn't even there.

You said 'No', he carried on. That's rape.

But before that - pulling your hair while you were driving. That was the time to stop the car, throw him out, lock the doors and never speak to him again. The first time he yanked on your hair.

He was using drugs. That's another stopping point, even if he hadn't pulled your hair. Just the drugs is enough. 'Nice meeting you, I'm off now, bye' and block. Stop playing the 'cool girl'. Boundaries are for real. Make them. Keep them.

When you drink, you have 'clouded moments'. Then stop drinking. Today, forever. Fizzy water is very pleasant, just make sure no-one has chance to add anything to it. Abandon or spill any drink you are unsure of.

I’m usually a tough cookie Stop that. You don't need to be 'tough', you need to organise your life so that you can be authentically gentle. Find your sweet point. Don't take pride in being tough, it's an indicator of trauma.

You've had a horrible experience. It might be a good idea to get professional help from experts. But whatever you decide about that, make this the changing point in your life and from now on, put yourself first.

EarthSight · 17/12/2024 12:28

JeyK · 17/12/2024 12:13

@Apolloneuro I do have a few close friends who I can talk to about this but when I explained it to them the morning after I hadn’t processed it as deeply as I have now so I wasn’t overly concerned initially. But I’ll definitely be confiding in them, I just needed to know if I was overreacting and hearing it from people outside of my situation who don’t know me was reassuring x

I'm glad you have real life support. However, personally, if they react differently from the women on here or brush it off somehow, don't be surprised. Sometimes younger women only fully process what happened to them years later, when they look back.

In that time, they might not give their own friends the best advice or response as they are themselves learning what should & shouldn't be acceptable.

Oreyt · 17/12/2024 12:29

I hate that drink the tea analogy.

If someone had made it you and you weren't fussed either way you would just drink it.

We need to show the outcome of what happens (to both parties) and their consequences, not a daft cartoon.

arethereanyleftatall · 17/12/2024 12:32

Op, even if you don't decide to report this, you might need to act quickly if you want to get evidence x

PromoJoJo · 17/12/2024 12:35

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Fuzziduck · 17/12/2024 12:35

Contact your dr. Worth a check over, and blood test. Though may be too late now to show up anything.

lionloaf · 17/12/2024 12:37

Block this man, and go to the GP. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Please seek whatever support you need.

SEmumma · 17/12/2024 12:46

JeyK · 17/12/2024 11:12

Long story short, I’ve been talking to this guy on an off for awhile, we have mutual friends, but this was the first time that we had met in person. I find him attractive physically and during our first date I did get a little tipsy but as the days have gone by I’m starting to remember things that happened and a lot of things don’t sit right with me. On an emotional and maturity level, we are definitely not aligned.

So firstly, I was the one who drove on this date. He told me he had car problems so I had to end up picking him up. I’m not judgemental so I did it. He does cocaine whereas I just drink occasionally but I only realised on our date what he’s really about. He yanked my hair while I was driving several times and I started to get annoyed and told him to stop. the first time it seemed a bit playful but then he kept doing it and harder. I have long hair as well. To me, it doesn’t matter how comfortable I make you feel because I know I give off that vibe, but I just think the line was crossed there firstly. he’s also five years older than me so I’m not sure if he just likes to feel in control.

We went out to eat and he kept trying to kiss me and in a very intense way it wasn’t like just a peck on the lips. It was very full on and I felt uncomfortable and I told him to stop because we’re in a public space. I’m also someone who’s quite introverted so you can imagine that this was out of my comfort zone. He kept saying to me why do you keep pushing me away. His life seems quite chaotic and during the night he did have moments where he would kind of trauma dump on me about his childhood and stuff, but like I said I know I have that nurturing energy and people tend to feel safe around me, so I didn’t mind it.

I’m not sure if I should’ve drew the line here, but we ended up going back to mine and just chilling out for a bit we did have sex. I did enjoy it at first, but after a few long rounds, I was literally done for and he was finding it hard to finish and told me this was because the cocktail of drugs that he had done which causes him problems in that department. But it literally got to a stage where my body could no longer take it and he kept trying to continue. I told him that I can’t do this anymore several times and I’m in pain and he proceeded and at one point I was literally just lifeless whilst he was still on top of me going & sweating I just feel disgusted when I remember those moments in my head. He even said to me during “we’re not stopping until I come“ After he ran out of energy, I had a panic attack in my room. I think this was due to what my body had just been put through I was pushed way over my limit. I’d literally never felt like this after sex during any point of my life. He wasn’t aware of the panic attack. But my body literally went into shock but it’s only as days have gone on that I’ve realised that this isn’t okay. I’ve literally been in pain for three days. I’ve had to work from home because I could barely walk for the first two days. I’ve also noticed the way that he talks to other women in his life is just atrocious and he also has some deep mother wounds so this could play a role in his behaviour.

I’m just not sure how to feel about this all. he has checked in on me and called me several times and just keeps asking me if I’m okay but doesn’t go into depth about the night. as my memory comes back to me he clearly knows that something was wrong. I even had a really emotional tearful moment last night when thinking about it all and I’m usually a tough cookie so I’m not sure what happened. but how do I proceed with this moving forward?

I’m not a confrontational person and I don’t want to start drama with him .

I am so incredibly sorry that this happened to you. Reading this has me in tears and you are absolutely not overreacting at all.

I hope that you have a good support network around you who you can speak with and can help you through this and I hope that at some point you will feel able to report this criminal for the heinous crime he has committed against you.

Sending you so much love and strength

JeyK · 17/12/2024 12:47

applebee33 · 17/12/2024 12:20

Were you driving whilst drunk op ? Surely if you were driving you wouldn't be as drunk as to forget parts of the night ?

If not driving , is it possible he spiked you ? How did you get home with him

I was driving whilst tipsy and I know that this is irresponsible but I don’t think I was over the limit. I remember driving home fine it’s as I got home and after the deed started is where it starts to blur for me. I’m not sure if I got spiked because the next morning I was just more in pain than felt like I’d been on drugs or anything

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MzHz · 17/12/2024 12:49

I'm so sorry @JeyK You are not overreacting. Please get help and support in real life, you will need it.

Nanny0gg · 17/12/2024 12:52

@JeyK Do you feel able to report this?

At the least, speak to Rape Crisis and take their advice.

At least you know where he lives, so you can give the police good information if you decide to report him

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cocoloco23 · 17/12/2024 12:56

I don’t want to repeat what everyone else has said, OP - just wanted to say that this sounds horrifying and I’m so glad you have real-life support.

Re the pain: it may be bruising, but it may also be a UTI. A doctor would be your best call, but in the meantime, a warm bath with salts might give you some immediate relief.

Be very gentle with yourself. You have done nothing wrong at all.

Fluffyiguana · 17/12/2024 12:56

I'm so sorry this has happened. Definitely speak to a Crisis team and get their advice and support.

If you were tipsy, you were almost certainly over the limit.

If you're going to the police about this - which I think you should - maybe some of the other posters or the Crisis team can advise on what best to tell or not tell the police regarding the drink driving.

SecondClassmyass · 17/12/2024 13:00

I’m outraged at the hair pulling and forceful over the top kissing in public alone! He came to this date with an agenda- to degrade and dominate you and he was taking pleasure in you resisting.

turkeymuffin · 17/12/2024 13:04

SecondClassmyass · 17/12/2024 13:00

I’m outraged at the hair pulling and forceful over the top kissing in public alone! He came to this date with an agenda- to degrade and dominate you and he was taking pleasure in you resisting.

This.

You made some really bad decisions here. Not getting rid of him at the hair pulling etc - you should have kicked him out of your car then.

Drinking and driving - very bad.

None of this excuses his abhorrent rape and possibly drugging of you. You should seek support and justice for that if you feel able to.

BUT all the stuff that came before it - you need to sort out for yourself, explore via therapy why on earth you did that, and not put yourself in the situation again.

Devonshirerexx · 17/12/2024 13:06

JeyK · 17/12/2024 11:12

Long story short, I’ve been talking to this guy on an off for awhile, we have mutual friends, but this was the first time that we had met in person. I find him attractive physically and during our first date I did get a little tipsy but as the days have gone by I’m starting to remember things that happened and a lot of things don’t sit right with me. On an emotional and maturity level, we are definitely not aligned.

So firstly, I was the one who drove on this date. He told me he had car problems so I had to end up picking him up. I’m not judgemental so I did it. He does cocaine whereas I just drink occasionally but I only realised on our date what he’s really about. He yanked my hair while I was driving several times and I started to get annoyed and told him to stop. the first time it seemed a bit playful but then he kept doing it and harder. I have long hair as well. To me, it doesn’t matter how comfortable I make you feel because I know I give off that vibe, but I just think the line was crossed there firstly. he’s also five years older than me so I’m not sure if he just likes to feel in control.

We went out to eat and he kept trying to kiss me and in a very intense way it wasn’t like just a peck on the lips. It was very full on and I felt uncomfortable and I told him to stop because we’re in a public space. I’m also someone who’s quite introverted so you can imagine that this was out of my comfort zone. He kept saying to me why do you keep pushing me away. His life seems quite chaotic and during the night he did have moments where he would kind of trauma dump on me about his childhood and stuff, but like I said I know I have that nurturing energy and people tend to feel safe around me, so I didn’t mind it.

I’m not sure if I should’ve drew the line here, but we ended up going back to mine and just chilling out for a bit we did have sex. I did enjoy it at first, but after a few long rounds, I was literally done for and he was finding it hard to finish and told me this was because the cocktail of drugs that he had done which causes him problems in that department. But it literally got to a stage where my body could no longer take it and he kept trying to continue. I told him that I can’t do this anymore several times and I’m in pain and he proceeded and at one point I was literally just lifeless whilst he was still on top of me going & sweating I just feel disgusted when I remember those moments in my head. He even said to me during “we’re not stopping until I come“ After he ran out of energy, I had a panic attack in my room. I think this was due to what my body had just been put through I was pushed way over my limit. I’d literally never felt like this after sex during any point of my life. He wasn’t aware of the panic attack. But my body literally went into shock but it’s only as days have gone on that I’ve realised that this isn’t okay. I’ve literally been in pain for three days. I’ve had to work from home because I could barely walk for the first two days. I’ve also noticed the way that he talks to other women in his life is just atrocious and he also has some deep mother wounds so this could play a role in his behaviour.

I’m just not sure how to feel about this all. he has checked in on me and called me several times and just keeps asking me if I’m okay but doesn’t go into depth about the night. as my memory comes back to me he clearly knows that something was wrong. I even had a really emotional tearful moment last night when thinking about it all and I’m usually a tough cookie so I’m not sure what happened. but how do I proceed with this moving forward?

I’m not a confrontational person and I don’t want to start drama with him .

I am truly sorry to hear about your terrible experience. It's possible he has done this before, so perhaps you could check Clare's Law to see if he has any past cautions? I strongly suggest that you contact Rape Crisis; they are very supportive and can offer excellent advice. A family member of mine went through something similar.

Please do talk about this; otherwise, it can haunt you for years. I'm sending you my comfort and support.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 17/12/2024 13:06

Pulling your hair was an assault to start with, and while you were driving it was also dangerous. His behaviour all evening and night is part of the same thing, along with the aggressive and unwanted kissing and obviously the rape.

I’m sure this isn’t the first time he’s done or tried to do this. He’s a rapist through and through. Please report this to police.

And do try to get help from rape crisis and your GP. You don’t know the extent of your internal injuries, and they may need treatment, the sooner the better.

Sending you hugs, as I’m sure you (wrongly) feel stupid or even guilty. He is solely to blame.

Edited to add: But please don’t ever drive after drinking again! There is no safe alcohol limit.

H34th · 17/12/2024 13:28

I think having mutual friends can sometimes can cloud your judgment thinking he's coming 'tried and tested'.

I'm so sorry, lovely.