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Whats going on - I should walk away but its driving me crazy

30 replies

Coollime · 02/11/2024 16:02

A bit of background: I am reasonably successful, surrounded by professional people, and I can afford nice things, holidays, and have a lifestyle many people would envy.

The woman I’ve been seeing has had a traumatic life, with a past drug issue she overcame, but now she has complex mental health issues. Currently, she’s only communicating with me through my friend.

After I split up with my ex-partner around the time of COVID, we started seeing each other every day. We never officially dated and kept things low-key to avoid conflict with my ex. We bonded and have been together ever since. Although we don’t live together, we’re as close to a couple as you can get.

From the start, I knew she had issues: an abusive ex, kids in care, and bouts of mental health struggles. But I only focus on the future, believing that people can change, especially if they’re around good influences.

Due to her past behavior, her family had cut her off. My involvement seemed to make things worse, as I stood up for her with legal challenges around seeing her kids and so on.

She’s never been very good with money or administration, and I’ve always made sure she’s on time for things, not running out of essentials, and in general, trying to shield her from criticism.

My ex hates her passionately, even though she thinks we’re only friends. Because of this, I ask her to avoid coming to my office or places where my ex might see us, as my ex would likely start telling our kids that I'm horrible, etc.
Over the last six months, her mental health has been deteriorating. She’s been sectioned twice and sent home with medication that she refuses to take. After a few episodes, I called her doctor to express my concerns. She found out and got very angry. She believes people are following her, recording her, and coming into her home to cause damage. But as long as she’s not harming herself or others, the nurses just let her be, which results in exhaustion and a huge mess every few weeks.

For the past three weeks, she’s locked herself in her home, only going out twice a week for an hour to see her kids. She told me she needs to be alone because she feels I never believed her and that I made her feel isolated. In reality, I run four businesses and spend more time checking on her and listening to her fears than anything else, only to be accused of being part of a conspiracy with her family to undermine her.

Throughout our relationship, I’ve done everything I can to improve her life. I’ve helped with her kids, taken her to nice places, and ensured she had whatever she wanted.

Last year, I took my kids to a theme park for two nights. She got annoyed and called my ex, telling her we were together. My ex, spiteful as ever, told her we still had a relationship (which is a complete lie). In response, she had a one-night stand.

Fast forward to today, and she’s mostly ignoring me, except for the occasional late-night call. Last weekend, while I was away, she called me, stressed, saying the TV told her that her abusive ex was still alive. She said she missed him and hoped he’d come through the door.

She accuses me of having affairs, writing a book about her, and running live YouTube feeds mocking her. None of this is true, but the nurses insist it’s not a big deal and that she doesn’t realize she’s unwell.

I’ve attributed these outbursts and hurtful accusations to her mental health. I’ve continued putting money into her account, sending her sweets and cigarettes. She sleeps most of the day, then spends her nights dancing, singing, and shouting out the window at passing cars, believing they’re part of some plot.
Even though we don’t live together, I feel deeply sad and helpless. In business and most other areas of life, I can take a rational approach and achieve the results I want. Here, though, it feels like nothing I do makes a difference.
She’s been texting daily with my best friend. She laughs and chats with him, though she shares bizarre claims—people stealing £100,000 from her power meter, cars tracking her, windows being replaced to feed her solar energy, and shadows talking to her. Still, she seems more “normal” with him.

I don’t know if it’s because I love her, want to protect her, or worry that leaving means her old friends will take advantage of her. My friends think she’s bad for me, but she has nobody else, and I miss her. Even though she rarely replies, I still text her daily, drop off her favorite sweets and drinks on my way home from the office, just so she has something.

Since I’m clearly emotionally entangled, I’d appreciate any opinions on what I should do. Has anyone experienced something similar or have advice on making things better?

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TitaniasAss · 02/11/2024 16:03

Run for the hills mate.

ThianWinter · 02/11/2024 16:05

Stop enabling her. Stop sending her money. Let the mental health team treat her. You can't fix her.

TwistedWonder · 02/11/2024 16:06

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easier · 02/11/2024 16:08

you have posted before about this shit show

so depressing that children are involved in either side

TipsyJoker · 02/11/2024 16:16

First of all, you are not qualified to provide this woman with the support she clearly needs. You should ask yourself why you feel the need to save her. What is it about you that has been drawn to this woman who is so very disturbed? What is it that you are getting from this situation because you are most definitely getting something from it.

Second, she’s not your responsibility. Focus on your children. They ARE your responsibility.

Third, stop pushing yourself on this woman who has made it clear she doesn’t want to interact with you. You could be making things worse for her by causing her distress with your piles of sweets and cigarettes. Stop doing that. She doesn’t want to communicate with you. Stop trying to break her boundaries.

Walk away and focus on building better relationships with your children and a healthier co-parenting relationship with their mother. Of course she hates this women, she’s mentally ill and potentially damaging for her children to be around.

AmyDudley · 02/11/2024 16:46

Look she is very mentally ill. You have decided that you can help her. Why ? are you a psychiatrist? If she had cancer would you decide that you could treat her by sending her sweets and ciggies, rather than directing her to an oncologist ?
You've got a saviour complex, and you aren't helping her. It's a kind of arrogance to think you can do better than professionals who could actually help her. You are just enabling her and delaying her getting the help she needs.

And you are introducing an unstable person into your children's lives. And you are interfering in her contact with her own children when it may not be the best thing for them.

She needs professional help, then it is up to her whether or not she accepts that help or decides not to take her meds. It is awful, she is very unwell, but her illness is beyond your ability to help, you are most likely making things worse by propping her up and enabling her to disguise the reality of her illness.

Harrumphhhh · 02/11/2024 16:55

Your post is full of contradictions.

You call her the “woman I’ve been seeing” and “we’re as close to a couple as you can get” yet “she’s only communicating with me through my friend.”

You also say “she has nobody else” yet “She’s been texting daily with my best friend. She laughs and chats with him”

She clearly has mental health issues, but it sounds like she’s being supported (you mention family, nurses etc).

It also sounds like she’s asked not to see you, or has taken a step back from your relationship, and “even though she rarely replies, I still text her daily, drop off her favorite sweets and drinks on my way home from the office, just so she has something.”

Honestly, you need to take a huge step back. Leave her be. For her sake and yours.

Boomer55 · 02/11/2024 16:58

Let the professionals treat her and walk away.

GoldCat255 · 02/11/2024 17:00

Ditch this nutter.

Polyp0 · 02/11/2024 17:01

Sweets and cigarettes? Cor blimey guvnor, she don't deserve you an no mistake!

Coollime · 02/11/2024 17:02

AmyDudley · 02/11/2024 16:46

Look she is very mentally ill. You have decided that you can help her. Why ? are you a psychiatrist? If she had cancer would you decide that you could treat her by sending her sweets and ciggies, rather than directing her to an oncologist ?
You've got a saviour complex, and you aren't helping her. It's a kind of arrogance to think you can do better than professionals who could actually help her. You are just enabling her and delaying her getting the help she needs.

And you are introducing an unstable person into your children's lives. And you are interfering in her contact with her own children when it may not be the best thing for them.

She needs professional help, then it is up to her whether or not she accepts that help or decides not to take her meds. It is awful, she is very unwell, but her illness is beyond your ability to help, you are most likely making things worse by propping her up and enabling her to disguise the reality of her illness.

I completely agree shes very, very unwell, I have absolutely no idea how to help her, I have given detailed explanations to the community team which read like something out a horror movie, they arrange a visit and then say shes fine even though 10 minutes later she is hiding from drones and cameras she thinks are watching her, talking to her TV and thinking it's talking back.

I know I can't fix her, I am not a doctor but the people who should be helping her are doing nothing, even when I suggest private options they just say it's not the best thing for her right now.

All these departments come in and blame each other saying the other is doing a bad job, social work saying CPN is useless, CPN saying Police don't report stuff correctly and left her in danger.

I don't want to be a saviour but I don't want her to be a statistic because nobody else done anything

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Teanbiscuits33 · 02/11/2024 17:05

GoldCat255 · 02/11/2024 17:00

Ditch this nutter.

I agree, this relationship won’t work and OP should walk away, but I thought we were past referring to people with complex mental health issues that are not their fault as nutters.

CalicoPusscat · 02/11/2024 17:06

Wouldn't have thought sweets were the best thing?

StopTalkingPlease · 02/11/2024 17:08

You need counselling.

TwistedWonder · 02/11/2024 17:09

Read this thread OP as there’s parallels and the advice is pretty much the same

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5195129-leaving-a-suicidal-person

CheekyHobson · 02/11/2024 17:17

WTF, mate.

She needs higher-level help than you can give but she obviously doesn't want it, as she's sharp enough to put on a show for the mental health teams. You can't help someone who doesn't want it.

To be honest, a spot of therapy to work out why you got involved with and are staying in this absolute shit show of a relationship wouldn't hurt you either.

Coollime · 02/11/2024 17:20

StopTalkingPlease · 02/11/2024 17:08

You need counselling.

Feels like it sometimes

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TipsyJoker · 02/11/2024 17:21

Coollime · 02/11/2024 17:02

I completely agree shes very, very unwell, I have absolutely no idea how to help her, I have given detailed explanations to the community team which read like something out a horror movie, they arrange a visit and then say shes fine even though 10 minutes later she is hiding from drones and cameras she thinks are watching her, talking to her TV and thinking it's talking back.

I know I can't fix her, I am not a doctor but the people who should be helping her are doing nothing, even when I suggest private options they just say it's not the best thing for her right now.

All these departments come in and blame each other saying the other is doing a bad job, social work saying CPN is useless, CPN saying Police don't report stuff correctly and left her in danger.

I don't want to be a saviour but I don't want her to be a statistic because nobody else done anything

Again, you can’t help her. Stop trying. Did you take in anything that I wrote? You are most definitely getting something out of this, try and figure out what that is and why. Again, she has made it clear she doesn’t want contact with you, so start respecting her boundaries. If she doesn’t want to take her meds, she’s an adult and it’s her choice. If she doesn’t want to speak to you she doesn’t have to, she’s an adult and it’s her choice. If she wants to go off the rails and behave in ways you don’t think are good for her, she can do what she likes because she’s an adult and it’s not up to you to police her. If she doesn’t want to engage with services, (although it sounds like she is) she’s an adult and she doesn’t have to. You might not agree with her choices but they are her choices and she can do whatever she likes. You are not in control of her, her mental health, the professional services or anything else. Move on. Focus on your children and building a good co-parenting relationship with their mother. Your priorities are all wrong.

DexysMidniteRunners · 02/11/2024 17:23

run for the hills mate

KlaraSundown · 02/11/2024 17:24

Please leave this woman.

You are going to destroy your life.

TheSilkWorm · 02/11/2024 17:24

Coollime · 02/11/2024 17:20

Feels like it sometimes

Look up the drama triangle. You're right in the middle of it. You are trying to be a rescuer and you need to get off the sinking ship. You can blame others for not helping her but chances are she's had every option of help available but hasn't been able to engage for one reason or another.

CheekyHobson · 02/11/2024 17:26

Coollime · 02/11/2024 17:20

Feels like it sometimes

Please take this advice in complete seriousness instead of brushing it off casually.

The relationship that you keep clinging onto is so far from normal that you clearly have some quite substantial issues of your own to stay in it. You 100 percent need professional help for your own issues.

A healthy person would absolutely not either get or stay involved with someone like your 'girlfriend' (I put that in inverted commas as I wouldn't call the relationship you currently seem to have with her a partnership in any way).

You are enabling her mental health issues by protecting her from some of the consequences of her own choices. THIS IS NOT YOUR JOB. You have your own kids and businesses to worry about.

Advise her mental health teams that you're stepping away from the relationship, write a comprehensive letter detailing your concerns or whatever you need to do to feel you've discharged your duty of care and stop trying to 'help' someone who is obviously just using you.

outandunder · 02/11/2024 17:37

You need help.
She needs help.

You need to step away. You sound like you re exploiting her (pretty sure we're not getting the full picture here)

IfIHadAHeart · 02/11/2024 17:42

I think there are serious and worrying questions to be asked about why you have pursued a relationship with someone who is clearly extremely vulnerable.

Coollime · 02/11/2024 17:47

IfIHadAHeart · 02/11/2024 17:42

I think there are serious and worrying questions to be asked about why you have pursued a relationship with someone who is clearly extremely vulnerable.

When we got together she admitted her past issues but was doing fine, working etc. Its really only the last 6 months its went downhill

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