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Impossible to discuss DW's behaviour with her

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Spacedhazed · 21/10/2024 23:43

My wife becomes incredibly defensive when I / anyone says anything she deems critical. She wont bother to listen but will immediately start attacking & defending herself.
It's gotten to the stage where I prefer to say nothing just to keep the peace.

However, over the past two weeks she has gotten into a completely unnecessary argument with a family friend, and last week, she had a moan at our children, for something that wasn't their fault.

When I tried to discuss her interaction with the children she became defensive. I changed the conversation but I am feeling incredibly fed up that I am not able to discuss anything with her, for fear of upset her.

I have reached the conclusion that it's better not to say anything but this is slowly wearing me down and I'm feeling frustrated at how much of a grind our marriage has become.

WWYD

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mcmen05 · 21/10/2024 23:48

She could be menopausal
We don't know what we are doing it's hormones.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 21/10/2024 23:49

Marriage counselling?

LittleGreenDragons · 21/10/2024 23:51

Get joint counselling for communication issues. You can research it and book it yourself if she agrees to go. Would she?

saraclara · 21/10/2024 23:54

mcmen05 · 21/10/2024 23:48

She could be menopausal
We don't know what we are doing it's hormones.

Thanks for playing into the hands of those who don't take women of a certain age seriously/won't employ them/ignore their emotions 'because they're menopausal and can't think straight'.

Spacedhazed · 21/10/2024 23:54

LittleGreenDragons · 21/10/2024 23:51

Get joint counselling for communication issues. You can research it and book it yourself if she agrees to go. Would she?

Maybe, it might be good for us and her.

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Spacedhazed · 21/10/2024 23:55

mcmen05 · 21/10/2024 23:48

She could be menopausal
We don't know what we are doing it's hormones.

I don't think so - she is late 30s

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roseymoira · 22/10/2024 00:01

Impossible to say without actual examples. I wonder what her side of it is

saraclara · 22/10/2024 00:10

roseymoira · 22/10/2024 00:01

Impossible to say without actual examples. I wonder what her side of it is

No-one ever says "I wonder what his side of it is" when a woman posts about her DH.

username35890 · 22/10/2024 01:25

You say 'has become' so she hasn't always been like this. Did anything happen at all? Job loss, stress, illness, bereavement, something up with the children? Any change in circumstances? Do you think she could be depressed?

lovemyboyz247 · 22/10/2024 01:43

Could you give us any specific examples?

I have a family member who is like this. Have you tried talking to her about this when things are calm? She might be more willing to listen if nothing has happened. I understand it's hard to get through to a person who isn't willing to listen and takes offence about everything.

Counselling for both of you is a good option. I know couples who have had separate counselling as well as couple counselling and it can help.

username35890 · 22/10/2024 01:54

username35890 · 22/10/2024 01:25

You say 'has become' so she hasn't always been like this. Did anything happen at all? Job loss, stress, illness, bereavement, something up with the children? Any change in circumstances? Do you think she could be depressed?

Sorry I've just reread, I've got flu so am not able to fully concentrate. You mean she's always been like this. A relationship with someone unable to communicate is impossible, so I'm surprised you've lasted as long as you have.

I would ask her to get help, perhaps via a letter if she won't listen. I'd make it clear that I'm not willing to continue like this and see what her response is.

RawBloomers · 22/10/2024 02:17

Marriage counseling, focused on giving you both tools to help you communicate might make the world of difference, but only if she accepts at some point that her behaviour is problematic. If not, though, I wouldn’t stay in a marriage where I can’t have a conversation about things that aren’t working or about how we parent our children.

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2024 02:33

My ex was like this. If I said "I feel X when you do Y" he would immediately go on the attack with "Well YOU do Z!!!". It was never about the issue I had brought up, it was always deflected away from him.

Anything indefensible was met with an attack on me (not always verbal) and anything that could easily be solved with a conversation, such as "I cant sleep when you make a racket in the morning on an early for work", would be met with an attack too. Any form of criticism at all could not be dealt with. He has to be perfect and the best and wonderful, any suggestion that he was less than, he couldnt cope with at all.

Note the key word.....EX.

ImustLearn2Cook · 22/10/2024 02:51

‘My wife becomes incredibly defensive when I / anyone says anything she deems critical’

@Spacedhazed can you give some specific examples? There’s a big difference between constructive criticism and criticism that is petty or a put down or is meant to undermine or tear a person down.

MainlyWater · 22/10/2024 03:21

I'm sure she feels the same.

Would you be open to hear every criticism she has of you.

MosaDiCello · 22/10/2024 04:53

mcmen05 · 21/10/2024 23:48

She could be menopausal
We don't know what we are doing it's hormones.

What a stupid comment to make.

GiraffeTree · 22/10/2024 04:55

Couples counselling is a good idea in this situation. A good counsellor should be able to help you both improve your communication techniques.

northernsouldownsouth · 22/10/2024 05:34

Does she have a lot of stress in her life? It could be her venting - but it's not nice for anyone to be on the receiving end of that. You need to explain the impact on others. "When you do /say this, it makes me feel ... "
But be prepared for a defensive response (not great)

AgentJohnson · 22/10/2024 05:46

Be straight with her. It makes you feel a certain way about her, it makes you feel a certain way about your marriage and you would like the opportunity to work with her to make things better. I would make it clear that this is the moment to work together but if it gets worse, you can’t guarantee that you will want to work on it in the future.

Icanttakethisanymore · 22/10/2024 05:48

saraclara · 22/10/2024 00:10

No-one ever says "I wonder what his side of it is" when a woman posts about her DH.

I was just thinking that.

Icanttakethisanymore · 22/10/2024 05:50

MainlyWater · 22/10/2024 03:21

I'm sure she feels the same.

Would you be open to hear every criticism she has of you.

How can you possibly be sure 😂 you could be right, obviously, but no one here can possibly know.

Ferryacrossthemersey77 · 22/10/2024 05:53

I think it depends on the context op.

I agree with you that it’s awful when someone gets defensive and turns an argument around on to you. You can’t make progress in your relationship that way.

Equally though, say if I was tired and snappy with my dc, or a friend, and then my dh criticised me for it, I might be accepting of that criticism if he had stepped up all week and done half of all of the work involved in running a family home and looking after the dc.

But if I had done the majority of the school runs, house cleaning, food shopping, homework supervision, evening meals, packed lunches, taking dc to extra curricular classes, dog walking, laundry etc etc, as well as working full time, and then my dh criticised me for being tired and snappy; frankly I would be less than impressed.

Instead of criticising her, why not bring her a glass of wine or a cup of tea and be gentle and give her a hug and ask her if anything is bothering her? Ask and listen. If appropriate, ask if there is anything you can do but don’t jump in to Mr Fixit mode immediately. Just listen and sympathise. And if she asks why you are asking, then you can say you noticed that she was a bit off with her friend and the dc, but don’t say it like you are her enemy.

Try and understand her perspective about the dc in particular and don’t become referee or judge and jury.

Also, look to your own behaviour and see how often you get tired and snappy too, as no ones likes a hypocrite.

She may be under pressure at work, have something going on with her family, be feeling physically unwell with her periods or be pre-menopausal. Cut her some slack and come at this from a perspective of genuine empathy and not one of judgement and maybe see how that works instead? You are on her team remember.

Autumnblackberries · 22/10/2024 05:55

Sounds like AI to me.

Lemonadeand · 22/10/2024 06:05

I wonder about the tone you use when you bring this up with her. If me or my husband had a go at the children unfairly, we would probably approach the other person about it with concern: hey, what happened there/ what was that about/ is everything ok? And probably assume the other person was having a bad day/feeling overwhelming and approach the issue from a place of support. Eg do you need me to take the kids out this afternoon? Do you need some space?

We had this exact incident the other day and that’s how I approached it with DH. Then when everything was calmer he apologised to the kids but because he’d got there in his head, not because I tried to control the situation.

It sounds like you guys aren’t working as a team. She will already know she wasn’t being the best parent in that moment. I don’t really see what’s to be gained by heaping criticism on top of that feeling that you’ve already failed?

Spacedhazed · 22/10/2024 06:53

ImustLearn2Cook · 22/10/2024 02:51

‘My wife becomes incredibly defensive when I / anyone says anything she deems critical’

@Spacedhazed can you give some specific examples? There’s a big difference between constructive criticism and criticism that is petty or a put down or is meant to undermine or tear a person down.

Recently, we were out shopping and the kids wanted to get something to eat. She suggested a new place to eat. We tried it but she became very defensive when DC said they didn't like: 'your dad didn't suggest anything.'

There is something at least one week. Last night, I asked her what she wanted to eat and her response was, 'don't know'. So I asked if pasta was OK and she replied 'I guess there isn't anything better'. After I made the pasta, she said, 'Pasta again'.

I am just at a lot loss. I feel like I am swimming against the tide all the time.
It makes everything harder than it needs to be

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