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He says he wants to go but then changes his mind. Please help me get my head straight.

55 replies

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:20

I’ve been with my husband for ten years. Married for five and we have two daughters (under ten). He was recently diagnosed with ADHD which goes some way to explaining the issues we’ve experienced in the past (pre-children) where he struggled with addiction (not to substances) and making reckless decisions as well as struggling to remember or to follow through with chores and responsibilities.

This really stepped up when we had our second child and over the years I genuinely thought maybe he just didn’t care about me. I took on most of the mental load and chores and although he kept saying he would do more, and genuinely seemed remorseful and upset, nothing changed. We’ve managed fine with me taking more of the organisational stuff and I love him very much so that was okay.

in the summer, I had an abortion. I got pregnant unplanned and we couldn’t keep the baby because it would have meant a huge disruption emotionally and physically (we don’t have the space) for my daughters, one of whom is also neurodiverse. It broke my heart because I always wanted three children and the timing meant I had to have the abortion during the anniversary of my mums death two years ago from cancer.

My husband didn’t cope well. He felt I blamed him (I probably did when I was deeply hurt) and he didn’t want to talk about it so we never sid. He called the baby a bunch of cells which make it easier for him but to me it wasn’t I know what those cells grow into and I grieved what my life could have looked like. It was the worst thing I’ve ever done.

Over the next few months I could feel him withdrawing from me. We stopped being intimate (we haven’t had sex in over four months), he stopped touching me and he didn’t want to spend time together. Meanwhile, he went out more often doing his hobbies and for more involved in his community groups. During this time he became very close to another woman and they were talking quite intimately about their lives. I felt deeply uncomfortable with this but didn’t have the words to express why because he kept telling me she was just a friend. She then moved her child into an activity our child does which means they saw each other more often but that was coincidental. I did eventually speak to
him about this after a friend of mine saw them together and let me know she felt it wasn’t all innocent. He was very angry initially and didn’t see the issue but then eventually became upset about the hurt her caused me.

In the meantime he withdrew emotionally completely. I can only describe it as my husband who I knew has gone. I see glimpses of him and he is still kind towards me but the playfulness and the intimacy and the fun has gone.

I have worked really hard to not get cross when he hasn’t done stuff and to be more understanding and I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t making a difference. I understand that due to his adhd, there are some imbalances in our marriage that will always be there and I thought about it a lot before deciding I could cope with that because I love him and he brings so much to my life that it is worth it.

He started therapy recently but if anything things have become more distant. I finally confronted him last night and after much taking he told me he thinks he wants to live alone, see the children half the week and not be together. He says he loves me but he doesn’t think our home is a safe place- his therapists words. He said that he messes up and it makes me unhappy and makes him feel terrible and so he’d rather be alone. He said he no longer trusts the things I say (I have talked about divorce previously when I was doing everything and asking for just some support with a few tasks and he couldn’t keep up.). He said he’s worried I’ll make life hard for him if he wants to leave. He said he’d come back to do the school run and things and so nothing would change. He said he feels he’s had an emotional affair with this woman and he can’t forgive himself. I have tried to get him to talk more about that because he told me they barely message but it doesn’t make sense.

The idea he’s painting of me is so upsetting. I have always tried to support him. Even when things have been touch it has been me reading every book, every podcast, buying chore games etc to try to make things better. I have supported him through family breakdowns, depression, redundancies etc. The things he’s saying about our marriage and about me I don’t recognise.

I am not perfect. I wish I’d know about his adhd earlier, so much could have been different, but the moment I knew I read books and tried to understand how to do things differently. But all of it is too late.

After the conversation, I tried to leave and he begged me not to. He wouldn’t let me go and he said his head is a mess and he doesn’t mean it but I can’t unhear it and I can’t I see the change in his behaviour towards me. I have told him I love him and if he needs to move out then I will support him. Inside I want to beg but I know that won’t help. But he keeps changing his mind. Basically, I need an outside perspective. I am so in this that I can’t see the wood for the trees. I have lost weight, I feel sick a lot of the time. I am devastated at what this will all mean. I’ll likely lose our home. I don’t know how we’ll find another flat where we live. And I love him. I’ve just taken on a new job and it has taken everything in me to get out of bed today and not cry in front of my girls. Please help.

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JanefromLondon1 · 08/10/2024 08:26

Sounds a bit like the script to me OP.

Notamum12345577 · 08/10/2024 08:32

I’m sorry you are going through this. Thing is, you have done so much to understand and help him, it looks like he needs to make the decision for himself either way. But he needs to know that he can’t keep you hanging like he is

MechanicalDancingDoll · 08/10/2024 08:36

He sounds like he’s not adding anything to your life. Focus on you and your daughters and prioritise what’s best for you as a trio.

Pumpkinpie1 · 08/10/2024 08:37

You need to focus on your needs and not his OP
His ADHD is not an excuse for his behaviour.

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:41

JanefromLondon1 · 08/10/2024 08:26

Sounds a bit like the script to me OP.

I am perhaps being terribly naive but I don’t believe anything physical has happened with this woman. They’ve not been together much outside of having their children in tow but I suppose if there’s a will there’s a way. Hes told me she’s very kind but he’s not attracted to her at all but I get the impression there’s more to it. It certainly sounds like he’s confided in her about our marriage which is humiliating as I have to see her regularly. It also feels like he’s using it as another reason- look what I did, why would you still want me. It feels like he wants me to force him into the decision instead of doing it himself so he doesn’t have to be the ‘bad’ guy except I don’t want this. I feel so unloved and rejected.

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Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:42

Notamum12345577 · 08/10/2024 08:32

I’m sorry you are going through this. Thing is, you have done so much to understand and help him, it looks like he needs to make the decision for himself either way. But he needs to know that he can’t keep you hanging like he is

Thank you, I know this is true deep down but the rather pathetic side of me says I want to convince him. Deep down, I rationally know I don’t want to be with someone who has these thoughts about me and has to be persuaded to stay but I am so scared. He says these things and then immediately backs off and backtracks and so I am left in a constant state of confusion.

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Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:44

Pumpkinpie1 · 08/10/2024 08:37

You need to focus on your needs and not his OP
His ADHD is not an excuse for his behaviour.

I struggle to separate what he can’t help and what he can. He certainly feels like I’ve not been understanding about his adhd and that I’ve been critical and uncaring for most of our marriage. I don’t know what to say to that because it’s not at all the case. I have done everything I could to improve things and took on more and more of the stuff he finds hard to compensate. Of course it has been frustrating and upsetting at times but I stayed because I love him and all of my actions show how committed one been. He openly says I’m not capable of having an affair and he never worries about me with other men- shame I can’t say the same anymore.

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MechanicalDancingDoll · 08/10/2024 08:48

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:44

I struggle to separate what he can’t help and what he can. He certainly feels like I’ve not been understanding about his adhd and that I’ve been critical and uncaring for most of our marriage. I don’t know what to say to that because it’s not at all the case. I have done everything I could to improve things and took on more and more of the stuff he finds hard to compensate. Of course it has been frustrating and upsetting at times but I stayed because I love him and all of my actions show how committed one been. He openly says I’m not capable of having an affair and he never worries about me with other men- shame I can’t say the same anymore.

Forget the ADHD. Focus on what you need for the future. You’re way too focused on his wishes, his emotional anffair, and on his narrative of the situation.

Shodan · 08/10/2024 08:50

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:44

I struggle to separate what he can’t help and what he can. He certainly feels like I’ve not been understanding about his adhd and that I’ve been critical and uncaring for most of our marriage. I don’t know what to say to that because it’s not at all the case. I have done everything I could to improve things and took on more and more of the stuff he finds hard to compensate. Of course it has been frustrating and upsetting at times but I stayed because I love him and all of my actions show how committed one been. He openly says I’m not capable of having an affair and he never worries about me with other men- shame I can’t say the same anymore.

It sounds like he knows that he's got you exactly where he wants you- subservient to his whims.

His ADHD is no excuse for his behaviour, which has been poor for many years.

I'd let him go off and heal himself or whatever claptrap he comes up with. Not a chance would I stay with a selfish,ungrateful man who accuses me of being critical and uncaring.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 08/10/2024 08:51

I know you love him (or at least, who you thought he was) but he's manipulating you. All this will he won't he is keeping you permanently off balance. The subtle negging, disguised as his distress. He's blaming you in advance while he tries to decide if he's going to leave. I dare say he'll deny that this is what he's doing, and he'll probably believe it too.
I really think you need to stop trying to placate him, make him feel better, or take any blame. It's not worth even arguing with him.
In your place, I'd grey rock him while I worked out the best way to get rid of him.

Clockoff · 08/10/2024 09:05

This is the script 100%

Diarygirlqueen · 08/10/2024 09:32

This is not your fault, you seem to have been doing most of the adult stuff, you must be exhausted. I'm the same in my marriage, my husband had a major stroke and I'm so tired of doing everything myself. It's hard but you have to put yourself and your kids first. He leaves everything to you, had an emotional affair but is still blaming you and getting you to make the final decision on your marriage! He sounds incredibly spolit and childish. Please get hard to him and stand up for yourself in a respectful way, so he has no,comeback saying you're bullying him. Good luck OP, you don't deserve this and put yourself first for a change.

unsync · 08/10/2024 09:46

Straight from The Script. Don't do the pick me dance, you deserve better. He wants you to make the decision so that he doesn't have to feel bad and can play the victim. Spineless bastard.

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 10:55

unsync · 08/10/2024 09:46

Straight from The Script. Don't do the pick me dance, you deserve better. He wants you to make the decision so that he doesn't have to feel bad and can play the victim. Spineless bastard.

I’m struggling with this because he seems genuinely upset, crying etc. But one minute he seems determined to leave and that I’m not good for him and so on and the next he says he didn’t mean it or didn’t say those things. Then he’ll say he’s sorry it turned out like this and so on which makes me want to throw up. I don’t understand any of it.

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Brefugee · 08/10/2024 11:00

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:44

I struggle to separate what he can’t help and what he can. He certainly feels like I’ve not been understanding about his adhd and that I’ve been critical and uncaring for most of our marriage. I don’t know what to say to that because it’s not at all the case. I have done everything I could to improve things and took on more and more of the stuff he finds hard to compensate. Of course it has been frustrating and upsetting at times but I stayed because I love him and all of my actions show how committed one been. He openly says I’m not capable of having an affair and he never worries about me with other men- shame I can’t say the same anymore.

well. I have a limited amount of sympathy for someone with ADHD who can manage to do all their fun things just fine, just not the tedious boring grown-up stuff.

He feels his home isn't safe? Then he needs to go, and you need to make sure you get all the possible support you can from other people because he isn't going to step up for the boring shit that needs to be done when you're a parent.

Sorry. Good luck.

unsync · 08/10/2024 11:59

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 10:55

I’m struggling with this because he seems genuinely upset, crying etc. But one minute he seems determined to leave and that I’m not good for him and so on and the next he says he didn’t mean it or didn’t say those things. Then he’ll say he’s sorry it turned out like this and so on which makes me want to throw up. I don’t understand any of it.

The thing is you're not supposed to understand it. It is a known way of unsettling and confusing you so that you make the decision to end it as you will find it impossible not to. It will severely impact on your mental health and you will tiptoe around him whilst thinking you are losing your mind and your grip on reality. Once you make the decision, he can blame you for the breakup and play the martyr.

None of this is about you and how it makes you feel, it is all about him. I'm sorry he's put you in this position, you deserve better.

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 12:07

unsync · 08/10/2024 11:59

The thing is you're not supposed to understand it. It is a known way of unsettling and confusing you so that you make the decision to end it as you will find it impossible not to. It will severely impact on your mental health and you will tiptoe around him whilst thinking you are losing your mind and your grip on reality. Once you make the decision, he can blame you for the breakup and play the martyr.

None of this is about you and how it makes you feel, it is all about him. I'm sorry he's put you in this position, you deserve better.

He has now said he wants to move out as it’s best for the boys and best for me. I had been really sad up until that point but it made me so angry. I told him that if he has to leave for his own benefit than there is nothing I can do and yes it might feel crap but that’s his decision. But saying splitting up our family, causing us to have to sell our home and downsize even further (we’re already in a very small home due to the cost of the area we moved to) and cause the girls and I distress is not for our benefit. Nothing about it is selfless. I’m just devastated. I feel so stupid. I could feel him withdrawing but I never thought this would happen. I thought he loved me and I thought we were working on things. He also declined couples therapy as he says it won’t work which I suppose I need to accept as a further signal of his intentions. He’s told me that he has an emotional affair and therefore we should be together but says they only messaged briefly. I don’t understand whether he’s using it as an excuse or as a way to justify why I should want to make the decision. Or whether someone else happened, he’s saying it didn’t. I feel like I’m being pushed into or pressured into making a decision for him. I don’t want to do that. I just keep imagining my girls faces.

I need to try to think practically but I feel so mixed up I can’t think clearly.

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 08/10/2024 15:59

I'm guessing that once he leaves, the EA will become an actual affair so fast it will make your head spin.
So sorry OP, you deserve so much better than this.

Womblewife · 08/10/2024 16:04

Please put yourself and your kids first. You whole post was about his needs and his wants and how he is feeling.
I would ask him to leave and then take stock of what you and your children need for the future.

Womblewife · 08/10/2024 16:06

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 12:07

He has now said he wants to move out as it’s best for the boys and best for me. I had been really sad up until that point but it made me so angry. I told him that if he has to leave for his own benefit than there is nothing I can do and yes it might feel crap but that’s his decision. But saying splitting up our family, causing us to have to sell our home and downsize even further (we’re already in a very small home due to the cost of the area we moved to) and cause the girls and I distress is not for our benefit. Nothing about it is selfless. I’m just devastated. I feel so stupid. I could feel him withdrawing but I never thought this would happen. I thought he loved me and I thought we were working on things. He also declined couples therapy as he says it won’t work which I suppose I need to accept as a further signal of his intentions. He’s told me that he has an emotional affair and therefore we should be together but says they only messaged briefly. I don’t understand whether he’s using it as an excuse or as a way to justify why I should want to make the decision. Or whether someone else happened, he’s saying it didn’t. I feel like I’m being pushed into or pressured into making a decision for him. I don’t want to do that. I just keep imagining my girls faces.

I need to try to think practically but I feel so mixed up I can’t think clearly.

Sorry OP who are the boys? You said you had daughters .

buttonsB4 · 08/10/2024 16:18

Come on OP.

You met a guy with addiction issues and who "struggled" to complete basic household chores 🚩 and you married him.

You then had one baby with him, which he didn't parent much and left the bulk of parenting to you. 🚩🚩

You then had a second child with him and he continued to leave the bulk of parenting and housework and, no doubt, "wifework" to you. 🚩🚩🚩

You then got pregnant with a third child and he pushed you (against your wishes) to have an abortion. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

He then had an emotional affair (& possibly a physical one). His affair partner is in regular contact with him in the presence of your DC and you haven't had sex in months. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

This is a shit relationship. It's ALWAYS been a shit relationship. He's never been husband or father material and yet you actively chose to make him both.

You should be pushing him out of the door with both hands and relishing your future without him in it.

I genuinely have zero understanding of why you didn't dump him in the first few months of meeting him.

Why do you believe you deserve so little respect and love?

Please care for yourself more, accept your impending divorce and be aware of men's actions rather than their words going forwards. He's been showing you what a terrible husband he would make since you met him, and is continuing to do so now, please believe his actions.

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 16:19

Womblewife · 08/10/2024 16:06

Sorry OP who are the boys? You said you had daughters .

Sorry my phone autocorrected and my post is full of typos. I meant to say ‘it’s best for the kids and for me’. I’ve barely eaten today and feel like crap. I have managed some small bits of food this afternoon purely so I could pull myself together to do the school run and so the girls won’t be worried that something is up. I suppose that sounds silly when their daddy is planning to leave them for their own benefit… He is due back from the office shortly and I feel sick. I am tempted to take them to my sisters for the evening.

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Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 16:21

Womblewife · 08/10/2024 16:04

Please put yourself and your kids first. You whole post was about his needs and his wants and how he is feeling.
I would ask him to leave and then take stock of what you and your children need for the future.

This hit home, you’re right. I’ve been trapped on this really shit rollercoaster and I need to disengage. He has been wanting to cuddle in bed and acting normal and meanwhile I feel like my world is falling apart. I feel he wants me to make the decision for him which feels so unfair.

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Katkins17 · 08/10/2024 16:40

It sounds like very typical entitled manspeak I'm afraid.

'He's not feeling support' 'he doesn't feel safe' 'he's not happy¡ 'he wants to live alone'.....

Maybe I'm being unkind, but what about you ?..

You have supported him, the home, your child etc etc....but you're the one to blame, evidently, for everything wrong in his life....

Keep telling yourself...shout into the mirror if you have to...that you are not to blame, that he has personal responsibility, and you matter too.

His therapist sounds dreadful....they don't know you therefore should never be passing judgement on a one sided basis.

Let him go...he'll soon realise what he's lost, and believe me, although you may miss him briefly to start with, him not being there and sapping your emotional energy will make your brain click in to realise how worthy, capable and entitled to empathy yourself, you are.

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 16:54

Katkins17 · 08/10/2024 16:40

It sounds like very typical entitled manspeak I'm afraid.

'He's not feeling support' 'he doesn't feel safe' 'he's not happy¡ 'he wants to live alone'.....

Maybe I'm being unkind, but what about you ?..

You have supported him, the home, your child etc etc....but you're the one to blame, evidently, for everything wrong in his life....

Keep telling yourself...shout into the mirror if you have to...that you are not to blame, that he has personal responsibility, and you matter too.

His therapist sounds dreadful....they don't know you therefore should never be passing judgement on a one sided basis.

Let him go...he'll soon realise what he's lost, and believe me, although you may miss him briefly to start with, him not being there and sapping your emotional energy will make your brain click in to realise how worthy, capable and entitled to empathy yourself, you are.

He came home and wanted to cuddle. He said ‘ending things doesn’t feel right’. I then stupidly got sucked in and said he hasn’t sounded like himself and that I was worried for him. He then withdrew again and said too much has been said to continue on together. I asked by whom and he said by him. I am back to feeling confused. I am going to try to withdraw from this too by not engaging in conversations about it. I now feel I should have let him cuddle me, maybe I pushed him away but it felt too hard to have him show me affection when he’s said he wants to leave me. I don’t trust my own instincts anymore.

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