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He says he wants to go but then changes his mind. Please help me get my head straight.

55 replies

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 08:20

I’ve been with my husband for ten years. Married for five and we have two daughters (under ten). He was recently diagnosed with ADHD which goes some way to explaining the issues we’ve experienced in the past (pre-children) where he struggled with addiction (not to substances) and making reckless decisions as well as struggling to remember or to follow through with chores and responsibilities.

This really stepped up when we had our second child and over the years I genuinely thought maybe he just didn’t care about me. I took on most of the mental load and chores and although he kept saying he would do more, and genuinely seemed remorseful and upset, nothing changed. We’ve managed fine with me taking more of the organisational stuff and I love him very much so that was okay.

in the summer, I had an abortion. I got pregnant unplanned and we couldn’t keep the baby because it would have meant a huge disruption emotionally and physically (we don’t have the space) for my daughters, one of whom is also neurodiverse. It broke my heart because I always wanted three children and the timing meant I had to have the abortion during the anniversary of my mums death two years ago from cancer.

My husband didn’t cope well. He felt I blamed him (I probably did when I was deeply hurt) and he didn’t want to talk about it so we never sid. He called the baby a bunch of cells which make it easier for him but to me it wasn’t I know what those cells grow into and I grieved what my life could have looked like. It was the worst thing I’ve ever done.

Over the next few months I could feel him withdrawing from me. We stopped being intimate (we haven’t had sex in over four months), he stopped touching me and he didn’t want to spend time together. Meanwhile, he went out more often doing his hobbies and for more involved in his community groups. During this time he became very close to another woman and they were talking quite intimately about their lives. I felt deeply uncomfortable with this but didn’t have the words to express why because he kept telling me she was just a friend. She then moved her child into an activity our child does which means they saw each other more often but that was coincidental. I did eventually speak to
him about this after a friend of mine saw them together and let me know she felt it wasn’t all innocent. He was very angry initially and didn’t see the issue but then eventually became upset about the hurt her caused me.

In the meantime he withdrew emotionally completely. I can only describe it as my husband who I knew has gone. I see glimpses of him and he is still kind towards me but the playfulness and the intimacy and the fun has gone.

I have worked really hard to not get cross when he hasn’t done stuff and to be more understanding and I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t making a difference. I understand that due to his adhd, there are some imbalances in our marriage that will always be there and I thought about it a lot before deciding I could cope with that because I love him and he brings so much to my life that it is worth it.

He started therapy recently but if anything things have become more distant. I finally confronted him last night and after much taking he told me he thinks he wants to live alone, see the children half the week and not be together. He says he loves me but he doesn’t think our home is a safe place- his therapists words. He said that he messes up and it makes me unhappy and makes him feel terrible and so he’d rather be alone. He said he no longer trusts the things I say (I have talked about divorce previously when I was doing everything and asking for just some support with a few tasks and he couldn’t keep up.). He said he’s worried I’ll make life hard for him if he wants to leave. He said he’d come back to do the school run and things and so nothing would change. He said he feels he’s had an emotional affair with this woman and he can’t forgive himself. I have tried to get him to talk more about that because he told me they barely message but it doesn’t make sense.

The idea he’s painting of me is so upsetting. I have always tried to support him. Even when things have been touch it has been me reading every book, every podcast, buying chore games etc to try to make things better. I have supported him through family breakdowns, depression, redundancies etc. The things he’s saying about our marriage and about me I don’t recognise.

I am not perfect. I wish I’d know about his adhd earlier, so much could have been different, but the moment I knew I read books and tried to understand how to do things differently. But all of it is too late.

After the conversation, I tried to leave and he begged me not to. He wouldn’t let me go and he said his head is a mess and he doesn’t mean it but I can’t unhear it and I can’t I see the change in his behaviour towards me. I have told him I love him and if he needs to move out then I will support him. Inside I want to beg but I know that won’t help. But he keeps changing his mind. Basically, I need an outside perspective. I am so in this that I can’t see the wood for the trees. I have lost weight, I feel sick a lot of the time. I am devastated at what this will all mean. I’ll likely lose our home. I don’t know how we’ll find another flat where we live. And I love him. I’ve just taken on a new job and it has taken everything in me to get out of bed today and not cry in front of my girls. Please help.

OP posts:
Mitherations · 08/10/2024 17:00

Make the decision for him, pack him a bag. Honestly, you can waste as much time and energy on this project as you like but you might as well bang your head against the wall. Get some support and get him out. Head towards peace.

DadJoke · 08/10/2024 17:04

He wants you to end it so it’s your fault. Give him what he wants.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 08/10/2024 17:23

sounds like he knows he won't be able to play the wronged, hard-done-by victim role if he has to make the decision himself.

he's trying to get you to do it for him, so he's got a lovely narrative he can spin to people for sympathy, whilst also nicely getting what he wants.

call him out, if you feel brave enough!

"it feels very much like you're spoon-feeding me reasons to ask you to leave, because you're too cowardly to admit it's you that wants to leave. i've carried every additional burden to help you in this relationship - i'm not going to carry this one as well."

ShouldIEvenBother · 08/10/2024 17:24

Absolutely the script.

Whether you end it or he does - the affair with this other woman will become apparent once he does leave.

He is not your equal. You have had to do everything and be responsible for everything.

Let this dead-weight go. In time OP, you will wish you had done it sooner.

Katkins17 · 08/10/2024 17:28

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 16:54

He came home and wanted to cuddle. He said ‘ending things doesn’t feel right’. I then stupidly got sucked in and said he hasn’t sounded like himself and that I was worried for him. He then withdrew again and said too much has been said to continue on together. I asked by whom and he said by him. I am back to feeling confused. I am going to try to withdraw from this too by not engaging in conversations about it. I now feel I should have let him cuddle me, maybe I pushed him away but it felt too hard to have him show me affection when he’s said he wants to leave me. I don’t trust my own instincts anymore.

I think for both of your sake, you need to ask him To leave.

even if it just to clear the air.

This could be just be a glitch…you could very well sort things out and come back better than ever.

but from my experience, the ‘better’ doesn’t last very long and old habits return and the resentment creeps up again and you’re back to square one.

The fact he keep reeling you in and then pushing you away by backing off again is emotionally abusive at best… if he can’t make his mind up, tell him that YOU need space to decide how YOU feel…

but remember how strong you are. You’ve held this family together for a long time. With or without him, you’ll cope !!!

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 17:37

DadJoke · 08/10/2024 17:04

He wants you to end it so it’s your fault. Give him what he wants.

But this isn’t what I want and I feel like if this is what he wants he needs to do it. I won’t be responsible for breaking our family apart.

OP posts:
Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 17:43

ShouldIEvenBother · 08/10/2024 17:24

Absolutely the script.

Whether you end it or he does - the affair with this other woman will become apparent once he does leave.

He is not your equal. You have had to do everything and be responsible for everything.

Let this dead-weight go. In time OP, you will wish you had done it sooner.

Maybe I’m just really stupid but I don’t think he’s done anything physical. He keeps mentioning it which I can’t tell if that’s to give me another reason to end our marriage of if he genuinely feels he’s crossed a boundary. But I don’t think it was physical.

OP posts:
Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 17:45

Katkins17 · 08/10/2024 17:28

I think for both of your sake, you need to ask him To leave.

even if it just to clear the air.

This could be just be a glitch…you could very well sort things out and come back better than ever.

but from my experience, the ‘better’ doesn’t last very long and old habits return and the resentment creeps up again and you’re back to square one.

The fact he keep reeling you in and then pushing you away by backing off again is emotionally abusive at best… if he can’t make his mind up, tell him that YOU need space to decide how YOU feel…

but remember how strong you are. You’ve held this family together for a long time. With or without him, you’ll cope !!!

You’re right. I am going to go to my sisters with the girls this evening for a sleepover. I’ve also asked her to watch them tomorrow so I can see the GP. I feel so low and anxious and I need to be strong if this is what he’s going to do.

He told me this morning that he’s having a constant conflict in his head. Half of him is saying leave right now and the other can’t make a decision. That doesn’t bode well does it. He’s also said he isn’t feeling depressed or low despite acting like it so I can’t use that was a reason to explain his behaviour any longer which makes me desperately sad. I need to come to terms with the fact that he really wants to leave me.

OP posts:
EmeraldDreams73 · 08/10/2024 17:56

Bloody hell. I'm so angry on your behalf, OP. You have bent over backwards to give this man everything he wants and needs, made huge allowances for the ADHD and your OP was allllll about him and his wishes and feelings.

I can't help seeing significant emotional manipulation in a lot of his behaviour and his therapist is going to be "there for him" so that's yet another voice in your ear, as it were, making it all about him. I 100% understand the pain of loving the person you thought they were/could have been and tying yourself in ever more complicated knots to keep them happy. Then, when nothing works and they blame you for them still not being OK in the relationship, you feel even shitter.

You're right that you can't see the wood for the trees when you're in the trenches, as it were. I would stop engaging with this cruel and self-centred handwringing of his and yank off the plaster so fast it'll make his selfish head spin. Get him out. Make plans for YOU and your children. Get a counsellor of your OWN (and don't relay back to him what's said). In the fullness of time it's still possible you could reconnect IF everything improved and it was what you wanted, but fuck waiting for him to call all the shots. Take control of the things you do have control over and get moving forward for you and the children. Over time it will be easier to wrap your head around it. Sorry, but this doesn't sound at all like a healthy relationship for you. X

FamilyPhoto · 08/10/2024 17:56

@Rockbttm my love it doesnt have to be physical, he is engineering a split so that he can become physical with the OW with a clear conscience. Its The Script.

Hallelujahchorus · 08/10/2024 17:57

Go to your sisters for a bit, you poor thing.

Reframe the narrative!

’But you’ve already made your decision, haven’t you, you said all those things and that in a way WAS you ending the marriage.’

But you must have known that having an emotional affair would implode our relationship, you destroyed our marriage by doing that’.

’You have left me practically and emotionally completely in the lurch and I NEED someone who can support me emotionally.’

Practice saying ‘I NEED xyz’ everyday.

EmeraldDreams73 · 08/10/2024 17:58

Yes, it really reads like he's trying to force you to make a decision for him. Make a decision for you and the kids instead: that you deserve better than a spineless selfish twat who isn't sure if he wants to stay. X

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 18:45

FamilyPhoto · 08/10/2024 17:56

@Rockbttm my love it doesnt have to be physical, he is engineering a split so that he can become physical with the OW with a clear conscience. Its The Script.

She’s married but the more excuses I make, the more pathetic it sounds..

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Pieandchips999 · 08/10/2024 19:24

I'm sorry but halfway through reading this I thought that your marriage was done. I had an ex like this once who basically dragged me into the on off will I leave bit which confused and distressed me in an incredibly difficult time of my life. Then acted like I shouldn't be bothered when he ended things when it seemed like they were better. Ultimately it was absolutely for the best my life was so much better long term. It sounds like he was really emotionally affected by the termination. Maybe that was even the reason for him stopping sex. But it's absolutely no excuse for an emotional and quite possibly physical affair. I've got tons of ADHD traits and my wife is autistic but we share tasks and work to our strengths. If we muck something up we fix it. It's not the other person's responsibility. I'm messy and sometimes binge eat but I work on it. I don't know what benefit this relationship is bringing you. I would take charge back and put boundaries in place. He doesn't get to decide how you separate. Also regarding the therapist a therapist shouldn't tell someone what they need they should be helping them to their own conclusions. So he may be reflecting his own views and blaming the therapist

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 19:58

Hallelujahchorus · 08/10/2024 17:57

Go to your sisters for a bit, you poor thing.

Reframe the narrative!

’But you’ve already made your decision, haven’t you, you said all those things and that in a way WAS you ending the marriage.’

But you must have known that having an emotional affair would implode our relationship, you destroyed our marriage by doing that’.

’You have left me practically and emotionally completely in the lurch and I NEED someone who can support me emotionally.’

Practice saying ‘I NEED xyz’ everyday.

Thank you. You’re right that my needs have gone by the wayside. There is a voice at the back of my head saying that I’ll never be able to trust him if he stays and doesn’t have an explanation for how close he came to blowing it all up.

OP posts:
Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 20:24

Pieandchips999 · 08/10/2024 19:24

I'm sorry but halfway through reading this I thought that your marriage was done. I had an ex like this once who basically dragged me into the on off will I leave bit which confused and distressed me in an incredibly difficult time of my life. Then acted like I shouldn't be bothered when he ended things when it seemed like they were better. Ultimately it was absolutely for the best my life was so much better long term. It sounds like he was really emotionally affected by the termination. Maybe that was even the reason for him stopping sex. But it's absolutely no excuse for an emotional and quite possibly physical affair. I've got tons of ADHD traits and my wife is autistic but we share tasks and work to our strengths. If we muck something up we fix it. It's not the other person's responsibility. I'm messy and sometimes binge eat but I work on it. I don't know what benefit this relationship is bringing you. I would take charge back and put boundaries in place. He doesn't get to decide how you separate. Also regarding the therapist a therapist shouldn't tell someone what they need they should be helping them to their own conclusions. So he may be reflecting his own views and blaming the therapist

You’re described how I feel completely. I feel I’m trapped in some sort of awful ride that I can’t get off. And I feel like it’s my fault because he’s persuaded me that I’m uncaring and unsafe for him and that this other woman is kind and listens to him. I am struggling not to blame myself because hearing how he describes me, I wouldn’t want to be with me either. But it just isn’t reflective of how things actually are.

Yes I think he was, I think he blames himself and instead of our grief and distress bringing us closer, he simply shutdown. And I was so devastated by the whole thing that I didn’t notice how much he’d withdrawn from me until he was ready to end it all.

He’s caring, logical and I love him as much as I did years ago. I’ve genuinely never wanted or thought about anyone else in the entire time we’ve been married. He’s funny and thoughtful and I love him. I can’t quite reconcile this version of him to how I know him though. To hurt me like this isn’t something he’d usually ever want to do.

In one breath he says too much has been said (by him!) and is angrily declaring there’s nowhere for him to go and then another he’s saying would I like mr afternoon coffee and wanting to cuddle. My head is all over the place.

I think I need to disengage from the conversations maybe. Which will be hard. I don’t know how to get off the wheels.

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Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 08/10/2024 20:31

This happened in my family, Adhd husband, had a brief infatuation with another woman, came home and announced that he was off, totally devastated his partner so much that she became catatonic with shock and grief.
Five weeks later it had all been a mistake but the damage had been done.
Here we are now three years on and he’s still coming and going, still bothering his partner with promises of love, how she’s the only one..
Like the Op , she had supported him through all his struggles, and whatever shit he got up to she had his back. So in a way he never had a consequence for his actions till then. And he still doesn’t get it. He is so self centred, so lacking in empathy he does not understand the consequences of his own actions because he’s never had to. She always supported him and before that his mother did.
Mind you it took two years of therapy fortnightly for her to understand how manipulative he is and learn how to keep a boundary.
Op, get some therapy for yourself, show your daughters how not to be walked all over in a relationship. Eventually you can be friends again and coparent well, but you need to direct your strength inwards and bolster yourself up because this man will drain you dry and not understand at all when you are a husk with nothing left.

Pieandchips999 · 08/10/2024 22:28

@Rockbttm @Brefugee brefugee ignore me I accept tagged you and can't get it off.

Rockttm honestly it will be ok. Focus on yourself and so what you need to do to keep you and your kids sorted and steady. He needs to go stay elsewhere and not demand affection when he's been a total arse to you. One day at a time, you don't have to make all the decisions now and eventually this will all be a distant memory

MixieMatchie · 08/10/2024 22:40

Rockbttm · 08/10/2024 18:45

She’s married but the more excuses I make, the more pathetic it sounds..

A thought, then - maybe his to-ing and fro-ing is because he's not sure she will be available. If she's going to stay with her husband, then he might as well stay where he is. I'm sure he does feel some emotional conflict about it, but there'll also be some hedging of bets going on.

I'm so sorry about everything but especially the termination. It sounds like he pushed for it and he minimised it, so don't focus on how he might be feeling about it now. It's you who needs support and healing on that front. If you feel you need counselling or anything else to process it, go and get what you need and make it about you, not him.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 09/10/2024 09:01

Oh OP I'm torn between wanting to give you hug or shake some sense into you!
You love him, you say. But the person you loved doesn't exist any more. He is NEVER going to be the loving person you once knew - or thought you knew. You know the bit in the Wizard of Oz where the curtain opens and Dorothy discovers that the Wizard is just an ordinary bloke pretending?
Well your partner's curtain has come down. There he is, the reality of him. You can try putting the curtain back but you'll always know what's behind it now

Rockbttm · 09/10/2024 09:19

MixieMatchie · 08/10/2024 22:40

A thought, then - maybe his to-ing and fro-ing is because he's not sure she will be available. If she's going to stay with her husband, then he might as well stay where he is. I'm sure he does feel some emotional conflict about it, but there'll also be some hedging of bets going on.

I'm so sorry about everything but especially the termination. It sounds like he pushed for it and he minimised it, so don't focus on how he might be feeling about it now. It's you who needs support and healing on that front. If you feel you need counselling or anything else to process it, go and get what you need and make it about you, not him.

He didn’t push for it, it was the right thing to do for our existing children especially given the needs of one of them but it was immensely awful for me given I’d always wanted three. I don’t know if he knew that. It was more his reaction afterwards that was hard, the matter of fact dismissal of what I meant to me and then his subsequent emotional investment in another woman because he felt I wasn’t there for him when something happened that affected him deeply. Truthfully, I wasn’t there for him. I was reeling from the whole thing and just couldn’t take on anymore grief or pain. I was scared that if I did I would have a breakdown and couldn’t parent my girls properly. But he sees it as a lack of care in him.

OP posts:
Rockbttm · 09/10/2024 09:21

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 09/10/2024 09:01

Oh OP I'm torn between wanting to give you hug or shake some sense into you!
You love him, you say. But the person you loved doesn't exist any more. He is NEVER going to be the loving person you once knew - or thought you knew. You know the bit in the Wizard of Oz where the curtain opens and Dorothy discovers that the Wizard is just an ordinary bloke pretending?
Well your partner's curtain has come down. There he is, the reality of him. You can try putting the curtain back but you'll always know what's behind it now

Both are welcomed. I go between feeling desperately sad and desperately angry at myself for not being more angry. Right now the sadness and fear is prevailing. Because I don’t want this.

It’s very hard to think clearly when he’s being very kind and attentive. At first I thought maybe that was a sign he’d changed his mind but I think it’s more likely that he feels guilty for what he’s about to do. But when he’s in front of me offering me blankets or hot water bottles or making me hot chocolates or elaborate breakfasts in bed, it’s hard to hold on that fact.

OP posts:
Stinksmum · 09/10/2024 09:38

I know this will sound awful, but I want to shake you till your teeth rattle. He's playing you, and it's making you ill. I wouldn't let him decide, he's dithered long enough. Tell him he needs to start looking for his own accommodation. Big enough for the children when they stay over. Accept no more hugs from him, don't do anything for him. No washing clothes, no making meals, nothing. No listening to him flip flopping backwards and forwards about what he wants to do. In fact, if it were me, he would be sleeping on the sofa. Get your Bitch Boots on.

goody2shooz · 09/10/2024 10:47

Stinksmum · 09/10/2024 09:38

I know this will sound awful, but I want to shake you till your teeth rattle. He's playing you, and it's making you ill. I wouldn't let him decide, he's dithered long enough. Tell him he needs to start looking for his own accommodation. Big enough for the children when they stay over. Accept no more hugs from him, don't do anything for him. No washing clothes, no making meals, nothing. No listening to him flip flopping backwards and forwards about what he wants to do. In fact, if it were me, he would be sleeping on the sofa. Get your Bitch Boots on.

@Rockbttm read this post from @Stinksmum . She has nailed it. Put yourself and your dc first - well ahead of him for once - you’re their mum and primary carer, they need you far more than your creep of a husband. And you deserve some love and care. You won’t get the real thing from him so put yourself first. As a mother, your grief re the abortion is much greater than his, stop n making all these excuses for this man and tell him to leave. He can find a new ‘safe place’ - do you have a friend with a shed? (Or a patio…)

Pumpkindoodles · 09/10/2024 10:59

Oh your poor dh.
His mean wife has facilitated him and done everything to take care of him, his children and his home whilst he was busy having an EA and not seeking help and coping strategies for his ADHD. Understandably he now feels unsafe and the best thing for everyone is not for him to work on himself and his marriage, but instead for him to be a hero to save everyone from the situation by leaving…maybe…he’s not sure… maybe best just to keep you in limbo for now