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How to cope with a sexless marriage?

52 replies

DessperateDan · 08/09/2024 05:34

I love my wife to bits but since going through the menopause she has no interest in sex.
I understand that this is relatively common but it doesn"t stop me feeling lonely, frustrated and resentful that my sex life is over.
As I said I love her to bits and would not want to stray but by the same token I crave sex and affection.

It's really getting me down and I don't know what to do.

Talking to her isn't an option as she just shuts conversation down and leaves the room.

Help and or guidance would be much appreciated.

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PermanentTemporary · 08/09/2024 05:49

Has she said anything definitive? It may be that she feels she has had the conversation, that the issue is over and she feels you don't listen if you bring it up again as for her it's done. But that isn't reasonable, as of course you're not done with this.

Do you have any physical intimacy? Kisses, cuddles? Do you think there might be more of that if you accepted that it wasn't going yo lead to sex?

I think I would say to her that you are understanding from what she's said so far that you as a couple will never have sex again, and that if you haven't got that right and the issue is still 'live' you need to hear that from her now.

If it really is all over, then you need to accept that and then make a decision. I'm afraid I would struggle to stay in a marriage on that basis.

It sounds as if she would not be prepared to have the kind of in-depth discussion that would be essential if you even thought about an open marriage, sp you are left with leaving, accepting the end of your sex life or having affairs. Which look less awful to you will depend.

DessperateDan · 08/09/2024 05:57

Thanks for replying. I have tried talking but she shuts it down. There is very little physical intimacy and no kissing as she doesn't like it.

It hasn't always been this way as she used to be insatiable.

Opening the relationship up isn't something I'd want to consider at the moment.

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PermanentTemporary · 08/09/2024 06:04

How has the conversation gone when you've tried to talk about it?

What else if going on in your lives?

PashaMinaMio · 08/09/2024 06:44

I know this might sound really basic but if she doesn’t like kissing, do you have bad breath? Have you seen a dentist lately? Do you smell like an old ashtray?

Is your personal hygiene routine up to scratch? I know someone who’s husband gave her the “ick” because the smell of his hair/scalp was very strong. He wasn’t running a hot soapy flannel over his balding head, neck and face properly before bed so sebum and sweat was very evident. A heart to heart changed that and made such a difference.

Meanwhile are you pulling your weight at home? Take a look at what you are doing or rather not doing to take the pressure off her. Be consistent and maybe slowly slowly you can turn this situation around?

BettyBa · 08/09/2024 06:56

Your resentment is entirely understandable, it’s pot luck whether you marry a wife whose sexual appetites remain strong post menopause and you can’t help feeling the rejection both physical and emotional- when your dw wont even talk about it or understand how it’s impacting you, naturally it makes you resent her.

For many women being affectionate builds up the nice feelings that lead to sex. So if she unconsciously makes that association she either doesnt want it now or worries if she are affectionate it will signal to her “sex pest” dh that he might get lucky later. And because her libido has vanished that’s not a welcome prospect.

But of course affection is important in most marriages. And to be frank so is sex. Both are fundamental to marriage, as opposed to living with someone who is a great friend or companion. She cannot simply decide for you that your marriage is now one of companionship only, without so much as a conversation!

And it’s hurtful that she hasn’t found a way to discuss it with you. I think that’s my first “alarm bell” - what’s going through her head to prevent her talking about it? Talking is the first step of many steps towards a solution. The solution may not be piv 3 times a week, of course. But there might be a middle way.

Most women would want a dh who was willing to discuss relationship issues . So that makes me think more is happening here. Assuming nothing else is fundamentally wrong in your relationship, I’d start here. With the talking problem. I’d consider if I’m the type of dh who likes to be a “solver” - ie, “Tell me your problem Wife, and I will bring my Man Skills to bear and Solve it for you.” That is not going to work here. You need to have this conversation a hundred times in tiny pieces and the solution will BE the conversation, building over time, creating a new structure for the relationship where your dw feels heard, wanted, safe, understood, and maybe even adored. Not just as a provider of sexual satisfaction but a much deeper connection.

I might raise the topic in conversation again, perhaps as you finish a nice coastal or woodland walk, so she knows she’s not being manoeuvred into a solution right now and also so there’s a natural ending to the conversation . I would not make this about finding solutions to your issues AT ALL. If you’re in this for the long haul you can give yourself a six month horizon to just talk.

Just tackle the first problem first - closing down conversations. You’ll get nowhere if she won’t even talk to you.

So you start with an apology and a plea for her to talk about the relationship, along the lines:
”I probably haven’t broached this the right way in the past, love. And I’m sorry for that because now it’s made things trickier. But please can you hear me out, because there is something i need to say to you. I really do want to understand what you’ve been going through the past few years, if I can. I know the menopause is a big storm to weather and at the same time you’ve been dealing with x,y,z but you don’t have to feel like you’re doing this all alone. Or maybe I’m so far out of the loop I don’t even know whats bothering you most nowadays. But I do know I miss feeling close to you, of course I do. And more than anything I want you to let me back in so I understand how you’re feeling about our relationship.”

And then see if she bites. Maybe she talks about physical symptoms, maybe she complains about your behaviour, maybe she raises issues you weren’t expecting - the fact you’ve got bad breath or the stress she’s under because of her elderly parents. Maybe she says very little or “I really don’t see the point” or “there’s nothing to say” which is an easy one to answer - “the point is I love you, and I want to understand why and how things have changed in the last x years. I’m appealing to you to explain because when you won’t talk to me I feel shut out of the marriage and I hate feeling like this and wondering if you can really be happy especially when I’m feeling so unhappy.” She’d be heartless to refuse to talk then - or she’d be effectively telling you she’s got one foot out of the marriage already.

So you can make it clear you realise your wife didn’t choose this. She didn’t choose for her body to go through this shocking hormonal change (with whatever symptoms accompany it), and come out the other side a somewhat different person. So it’s not a personal slight against you, but it does affect you because it affects the marriage.

Ask her at the end of the conversation if she feels better or worse for starting to talk about things, acknowledge it’s not easy to talk and that you’d like to keep talking even though it feels a bit awkward.

Once you’ve got her talking then over a period of months keep her talking. Pick a time when she’s not frazzled to check in. No pressure though. If it gets emotional or feels cathartic pick a moment to ask if she would like a hug. Take a really careful mental note of ALL the things she says. Sometimes a small thing mentioned might be a hint at something bigger, that she doesn’t yet really feel comfortable broaching. Make sure you let her know that whilst affection can make you feel sexy, it’s more than that - it’s about expressing love for her each other. And that’s what you want most of all.

And do not try to solve anything at all within the conversations. Don’t defend yourself too much or argue. Just listen.

Once she realises conversations aren’t all angled at you “getting some” then you might find she unfreezes. Once she knows she can touch and kiss you without fearing your need to initiate more, she will come to you more often. Once the affection and conversation is really secure you can move on to talking about sex. There ARE ways to address her lack of libido so that you can get some sexual satisfaction without her feeling the ick, but that’s a problem for much further down the line when she WANTS to solve it to please YOU. She’s not there yet. Baby steps.

Lola1974 · 08/09/2024 07:02

Things change as we age.

I don’t like kissing anymore now I am in my fifties. You can adapt though.
Kissing on the neck, massages and exploring other ways to feel close sexually and intimately.

If you can’t live your life in a marriage with no intimacy at all and your DW is unwilling to explore new avenues of intimacy you may have to accept this and move your life in a different direction.

What I am trying to get across albeit clumsily is that intimacy will never be what it was (in my life anyway). However, I acknowledge for a healthy marriage there does need to be intimacy but it changes as we age. Me and DH have both adapted and talk openly. We were both in healthcare so we do talk about a lot of body related stuff!

DessperateDan · 08/09/2024 11:03

Thank you for taking the time to respond so comprehensively.
you’ve given me much food for thought.

Thank you!!

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PermanentTemporary · 08/09/2024 11:10

@Lola1974 without hijacking the thread, can I ask if you can define what changed about kissing for you (assuming you liked it before)?

caringcarer · 08/09/2024 12:17

Why not write all your thoughts and feelings down in a letter and post it to your wife. You could go away for the weekend without her, leaving her to get the letter and read and digest it alone. When you get back see what she says. In the end your choices are a sexless marriage, an open marriage, affairs or divorce. Which would make you feel happiest? If your desperate doesn't want intercourse would she give you a blow job or hand job instead?

DessperateDan · 08/09/2024 14:46

I haven’t given up on kissing and would still enjoy it. My wife has never been much of a kisser anyway, it’s just now that everything has gone the odd kiss might be nice.

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Bestthot · 08/09/2024 14:49

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poppyzbrite4 · 08/09/2024 14:52

The answer is to resign yourself to celibacy or leave the relationship. There's no magic wand to make your wife want sex.

Finnyfinfin · 08/09/2024 15:00

She's either gone off you or gone off sex. I second the writing her a letter thing and going away for a night or two so she can think about it.

JenniferBooth · 08/09/2024 15:04

Why isnt she ending the marriage do you think?

BogusHocusPocus · 08/09/2024 15:12

When you were having sex, was she having orgasms?

I think it's less common not to want orgasmic sex. Even with the menopause, many women don't 'go off' having orgasms.

Maybe there was an issue with her experience?

Apileofballyhoo · 08/09/2024 15:12

Is she on hrt? Is she struggling with other menopause symptoms like fatigue and feeling flat with not much interest in doing things?

catin8oots · 08/09/2024 19:26

poppyzbrite4 · 08/09/2024 14:52

The answer is to resign yourself to celibacy or leave the relationship. There's no magic wand to make your wife want sex.

Writing a letter?? To your spouse? WTF?

OP you either leave her or she agrees to find a way forward for your mismatched sex drives. Or you stay and are miserable for the rest of time.

poppyzbrite4 · 08/09/2024 19:27

catin8oots · 08/09/2024 19:26

Writing a letter?? To your spouse? WTF?

OP you either leave her or she agrees to find a way forward for your mismatched sex drives. Or you stay and are miserable for the rest of time.

You're responding to the wrong person.

pinkmango222 · 08/09/2024 19:48

@DessperateDan - I'm in my 50s and post menopause. After a rough divorce, I'm free to date whoever I want and generally just have FWB. That being said, I agree with the poster above about kissing. I've really gone off it... no idea why?! Although I enjoy sex once I get going, I just don't think about it often. On the other hand the FWB men endlessly talk about sex, think about sex all day long and insist on slobbery kisses.
The older we get I think it just becomes clearer that men and women are so different libido wise. That doesn't mean your wife loves you any less.

Sherrystrull · 08/09/2024 19:51

PashaMinaMio · 08/09/2024 06:44

I know this might sound really basic but if she doesn’t like kissing, do you have bad breath? Have you seen a dentist lately? Do you smell like an old ashtray?

Is your personal hygiene routine up to scratch? I know someone who’s husband gave her the “ick” because the smell of his hair/scalp was very strong. He wasn’t running a hot soapy flannel over his balding head, neck and face properly before bed so sebum and sweat was very evident. A heart to heart changed that and made such a difference.

Meanwhile are you pulling your weight at home? Take a look at what you are doing or rather not doing to take the pressure off her. Be consistent and maybe slowly slowly you can turn this situation around?

These are all great ideas.

To add, is she feeling good about herself? Has her body changed since the menopause?

justconcerned · 08/09/2024 20:27

Here we go again.

Liberty72 · 08/09/2024 20:54

I’m 52 and post-menopausal. I absolutely love kissing!! My guess is, she’s not interested in you.

Lucy25 · 09/09/2024 00:01

Liberty72 · 08/09/2024 20:54

I’m 52 and post-menopausal. I absolutely love kissing!! My guess is, she’s not interested in you.

No, that’s just harsh, from someone who should understand how hard it can be for some women to be in menopause, which doesn’t just affect the woman, it can also affect the partner, their relationship.Also the post isn’t about you.
@DessperateDan has asked for help and guidance.

RajGamgee · 09/09/2024 00:25

I feel your pain. Am in a similar situation although we never really had sex much to begin with anyway. I've tried the talking part, the communication, couples therapy, etc. None of it seemed to work. And like you, maybe my DW knows I'll never leave.

After many years of therapy, what I would say is to invest in yourself and spend more time doing the things that make you happy. I've got in to the gym, gardening and reading a lot more as well as wrecking my house attempting DIY. I can't say its 100% resolved my unhappiness but it has gone a long way. There are great videos on YouTube about feeling immasculated and how only you have the power to stop that. Have a look. By focusing on other things, this won't be at the forefront of your mind all the time. Maybe it might just help in the shorter term.

DadJoke · 09/09/2024 00:29

Couples counselling would help - you aren’t even communicating.