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How to cope with a sexless marriage?

52 replies

DessperateDan · 08/09/2024 05:34

I love my wife to bits but since going through the menopause she has no interest in sex.
I understand that this is relatively common but it doesn"t stop me feeling lonely, frustrated and resentful that my sex life is over.
As I said I love her to bits and would not want to stray but by the same token I crave sex and affection.

It's really getting me down and I don't know what to do.

Talking to her isn't an option as she just shuts conversation down and leaves the room.

Help and or guidance would be much appreciated.

OP posts:
offyoujollywelltrot · 09/09/2024 00:31

If she doesn't want physical affection and sex anymore, then you have to make a choice. If she keeps shutting it down, you have your answer. Perimenopause and subsequent menopause wrecks absolute hell on the body, she clearly isn't interested anymore.

BiccysR4dunking · 09/09/2024 00:45

Maybe it is the menopause with your dw but I went like this with my long term ex, actually never enjoyed kissing him even in the early days of our relationship, but tbh he was shit at it! I completely went off any kind of intimacy with him and I had no sexual desire whatsoever until another man came into my life shortly after we separated. omg how my libido returned I felt like I was 21 again! I then realised there was nothing physically wrong with me it was just that I'd completely gone off my ex all that time. I'm late 40s.

Liberty72 · 09/09/2024 08:52

BiccysR4dunking · 09/09/2024 00:45

Maybe it is the menopause with your dw but I went like this with my long term ex, actually never enjoyed kissing him even in the early days of our relationship, but tbh he was shit at it! I completely went off any kind of intimacy with him and I had no sexual desire whatsoever until another man came into my life shortly after we separated. omg how my libido returned I felt like I was 21 again! I then realised there was nothing physically wrong with me it was just that I'd completely gone off my ex all that time. I'm late 40s.

This.

Lucy25 · 09/09/2024 09:06

catin8oots · 08/09/2024 19:26

Writing a letter?? To your spouse? WTF?

OP you either leave her or she agrees to find a way forward for your mismatched sex drives. Or you stay and are miserable for the rest of time.

If people are having difficulties communicating, writing it down how you’re feeling, to find out how the other person is feeling too, can be a good way.

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 10:13

PashaMinaMio · 08/09/2024 06:44

I know this might sound really basic but if she doesn’t like kissing, do you have bad breath? Have you seen a dentist lately? Do you smell like an old ashtray?

Is your personal hygiene routine up to scratch? I know someone who’s husband gave her the “ick” because the smell of his hair/scalp was very strong. He wasn’t running a hot soapy flannel over his balding head, neck and face properly before bed so sebum and sweat was very evident. A heart to heart changed that and made such a difference.

Meanwhile are you pulling your weight at home? Take a look at what you are doing or rather not doing to take the pressure off her. Be consistent and maybe slowly slowly you can turn this situation around?

Omg how dare you? lol if OP was a women absolutely nobody would be trying to blame the wife by suggesting she has poor personal hygiene and didn't pull her weight around the house. Cheeky post.

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 10:18

What's your bottom line OP? Are you prepared to give it a few years to see if things improve? Is she willing to try HRT or some other means to see if she can find middle ground with you? Are you prepared to divorce if she refuses? I get menopause is hard but nobody has the right to shut down your sex life indefinitely without a conversation. You need to think about your bottom line and then communicate with her. Tell her straight thst you would rather divorce than never have sex again (if that's the case). Personally unless she agrees to open marriage I wouldn't look at having an affair. You will either feel guilty or start developing feelings for someone else and the marriage will be over anyway. Plus you have to think about diseases and unwanted pregnancies etc. be an honourable man and just tell her the truth. You aren't doing anything wrong by being honest with her or yourself.

smithy6 · 09/09/2024 10:34

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 10:18

What's your bottom line OP? Are you prepared to give it a few years to see if things improve? Is she willing to try HRT or some other means to see if she can find middle ground with you? Are you prepared to divorce if she refuses? I get menopause is hard but nobody has the right to shut down your sex life indefinitely without a conversation. You need to think about your bottom line and then communicate with her. Tell her straight thst you would rather divorce than never have sex again (if that's the case). Personally unless she agrees to open marriage I wouldn't look at having an affair. You will either feel guilty or start developing feelings for someone else and the marriage will be over anyway. Plus you have to think about diseases and unwanted pregnancies etc. be an honourable man and just tell her the truth. You aren't doing anything wrong by being honest with her or yourself.

Where would a man in his 50’s start with an open relationship? Surely that is very needle in a haystack trying to find that at that age.

I think it’s a case of accept it or don’t accept and leave. A proper discussion would be nice but if she doesn’t want sex again there is not much choice other than the above two options.

JenniferBooth · 09/09/2024 13:56

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 10:13

Omg how dare you? lol if OP was a women absolutely nobody would be trying to blame the wife by suggesting she has poor personal hygiene and didn't pull her weight around the house. Cheeky post.

No They would be asking her if shes put weight on

Dramalady52 · 09/09/2024 14:24

I would advise looking very closely at your previous reactions to conversations with your wife about anything to do with the marriage. If you have at anytime deflected or been defensive about her concerns, she sure isn't going to want to listen to you now. My Ex was always after sex, but couldn't understand that I wasn't interested because I was tired of acting like I was his mother. He didn't "believe sex was connected to housework"

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 14:33

@smithy6 like I said - it would likely be a transactional relationship and he would need to spend some money to keep her around although it's possible he might meet a decent women who isn't a gold digger. Possible but unlikely.

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 14:35

@JenniferBooth maybe on some other sites but on Mumsnet? More likely get 100 people screaming that he's 'had his head turned' than tell another woman to lose weight.

JenniferBooth · 09/09/2024 15:03

sunflowersngunpowdr · 09/09/2024 14:35

@JenniferBooth maybe on some other sites but on Mumsnet? More likely get 100 people screaming that he's 'had his head turned' than tell another woman to lose weight.

It has happened Ive been on here 13 years and ive seen it

BlueDotsRain · 09/09/2024 15:12

I'd come more at it from this is a new stage/age in our lives and can we plan this out together. What does ageing well together look to the both of you? Are you both happy in yourselves and in your lives? Do you need new interests? Do you and her do things that make you feel alive? What does good communication look like? Are you stuck in ruts? Are there issues? Ultimately only you can take care of you. If there isn't the intimacy there then the foundation needs to be looked at again. If it can then be added back in then great. If not then it's not a couples problem, its an individuals problem and if it can't be fixed then look at it then.

I do think there is a lot of pressure in a relationship. I've been single over a decade and I can tell you that when not in a relationship libido ebbs and flows. Its life. I've had periods of not being interested and periods where I thought I would die without sex (exaggerating but you get what I mean). And when no one was there to meet the need I've just met it myself. Also exercise helps a lot.

Lucy25 · 09/09/2024 17:46

Liberty72 · 09/09/2024 08:52

This.

No.How in anyway is this offering guidance,
advice to OP! He has said his wife is going through the menopause, so there’s a big chance it’s just that.Some women really struggle with the menopause, their libido just goes.HRT, can change this, it’s just replacing the depleting hormones, she would need to speak to her GP first though.

Borninabarn32 · 09/09/2024 17:49

Talking to her isn't an option as she just shuts conversation down and leaves the room.

This isn't OK imo. You have a right to voice your feelings and be heard in a marriage.

I couldn't live I'm an affectionless marriage. It's not just sex she sounds to have taken off the table, kissing cuddling are important too. I don't think it's fair to expect someone to live with out affection

poppyzbrite4 · 09/09/2024 18:14

Borninabarn32 · 09/09/2024 17:49

Talking to her isn't an option as she just shuts conversation down and leaves the room.

This isn't OK imo. You have a right to voice your feelings and be heard in a marriage.

I couldn't live I'm an affectionless marriage. It's not just sex she sounds to have taken off the table, kissing cuddling are important too. I don't think it's fair to expect someone to live with out affection

It sounds like you're encouraging him to pester her for sex. He's brought it up with her and she doesn't want to discuss it. He should respect her decision and decide if he wants to stay in the marriage.

Lucy25 · 09/09/2024 18:18

BettyBa · 08/09/2024 06:56

Your resentment is entirely understandable, it’s pot luck whether you marry a wife whose sexual appetites remain strong post menopause and you can’t help feeling the rejection both physical and emotional- when your dw wont even talk about it or understand how it’s impacting you, naturally it makes you resent her.

For many women being affectionate builds up the nice feelings that lead to sex. So if she unconsciously makes that association she either doesnt want it now or worries if she are affectionate it will signal to her “sex pest” dh that he might get lucky later. And because her libido has vanished that’s not a welcome prospect.

But of course affection is important in most marriages. And to be frank so is sex. Both are fundamental to marriage, as opposed to living with someone who is a great friend or companion. She cannot simply decide for you that your marriage is now one of companionship only, without so much as a conversation!

And it’s hurtful that she hasn’t found a way to discuss it with you. I think that’s my first “alarm bell” - what’s going through her head to prevent her talking about it? Talking is the first step of many steps towards a solution. The solution may not be piv 3 times a week, of course. But there might be a middle way.

Most women would want a dh who was willing to discuss relationship issues . So that makes me think more is happening here. Assuming nothing else is fundamentally wrong in your relationship, I’d start here. With the talking problem. I’d consider if I’m the type of dh who likes to be a “solver” - ie, “Tell me your problem Wife, and I will bring my Man Skills to bear and Solve it for you.” That is not going to work here. You need to have this conversation a hundred times in tiny pieces and the solution will BE the conversation, building over time, creating a new structure for the relationship where your dw feels heard, wanted, safe, understood, and maybe even adored. Not just as a provider of sexual satisfaction but a much deeper connection.

I might raise the topic in conversation again, perhaps as you finish a nice coastal or woodland walk, so she knows she’s not being manoeuvred into a solution right now and also so there’s a natural ending to the conversation . I would not make this about finding solutions to your issues AT ALL. If you’re in this for the long haul you can give yourself a six month horizon to just talk.

Just tackle the first problem first - closing down conversations. You’ll get nowhere if she won’t even talk to you.

So you start with an apology and a plea for her to talk about the relationship, along the lines:
”I probably haven’t broached this the right way in the past, love. And I’m sorry for that because now it’s made things trickier. But please can you hear me out, because there is something i need to say to you. I really do want to understand what you’ve been going through the past few years, if I can. I know the menopause is a big storm to weather and at the same time you’ve been dealing with x,y,z but you don’t have to feel like you’re doing this all alone. Or maybe I’m so far out of the loop I don’t even know whats bothering you most nowadays. But I do know I miss feeling close to you, of course I do. And more than anything I want you to let me back in so I understand how you’re feeling about our relationship.”

And then see if she bites. Maybe she talks about physical symptoms, maybe she complains about your behaviour, maybe she raises issues you weren’t expecting - the fact you’ve got bad breath or the stress she’s under because of her elderly parents. Maybe she says very little or “I really don’t see the point” or “there’s nothing to say” which is an easy one to answer - “the point is I love you, and I want to understand why and how things have changed in the last x years. I’m appealing to you to explain because when you won’t talk to me I feel shut out of the marriage and I hate feeling like this and wondering if you can really be happy especially when I’m feeling so unhappy.” She’d be heartless to refuse to talk then - or she’d be effectively telling you she’s got one foot out of the marriage already.

So you can make it clear you realise your wife didn’t choose this. She didn’t choose for her body to go through this shocking hormonal change (with whatever symptoms accompany it), and come out the other side a somewhat different person. So it’s not a personal slight against you, but it does affect you because it affects the marriage.

Ask her at the end of the conversation if she feels better or worse for starting to talk about things, acknowledge it’s not easy to talk and that you’d like to keep talking even though it feels a bit awkward.

Once you’ve got her talking then over a period of months keep her talking. Pick a time when she’s not frazzled to check in. No pressure though. If it gets emotional or feels cathartic pick a moment to ask if she would like a hug. Take a really careful mental note of ALL the things she says. Sometimes a small thing mentioned might be a hint at something bigger, that she doesn’t yet really feel comfortable broaching. Make sure you let her know that whilst affection can make you feel sexy, it’s more than that - it’s about expressing love for her each other. And that’s what you want most of all.

And do not try to solve anything at all within the conversations. Don’t defend yourself too much or argue. Just listen.

Once she realises conversations aren’t all angled at you “getting some” then you might find she unfreezes. Once she knows she can touch and kiss you without fearing your need to initiate more, she will come to you more often. Once the affection and conversation is really secure you can move on to talking about sex. There ARE ways to address her lack of libido so that you can get some sexual satisfaction without her feeling the ick, but that’s a problem for much further down the line when she WANTS to solve it to please YOU. She’s not there yet. Baby steps.

Yes, so glad someone has posted, to offer some good advice and guidance @BettyBa some of the other posts are just awful! Thank goodness for yours.
@DessperateDan Baby steps, your wife will appreciate it and it will be worth it.

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Perhaps, perhaps! No need to have a go, take out your frustration and vent somewhere else.

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Not “obviously” — if you’d read that “when did you stop having sex” post the other week, you’d see there were loads of women saying they just went off sex after menopause after previously being keen. No other reason, just not bothered.

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I just think, the fact that OP has posted asking for guidance and advice, shows he wants his marriage to work.He doesn’t know for sure, why their relationship has changed, just that his wife is going through the menopause, could it possibly be this, that’s how l interpreted the post.
I guess he is putting across his perspective, but at the same time, it’s difficult for him to know how his wife is feeling, because at this time she’s having difficulties communicating It must be difficult for both to navigate, once the lines of communication open, hopefully they’ll be able to move forward.

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You said “obviously” it’s more than the menopause. But it might very well just be that.

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