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The surrendered wife?

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Tigerbalmy · 28/07/2024 16:31

So I’ll confess I haven’t read the book yet but I did listen to a couple of podcasts with Laura Doyle author of the surrendered wife book.

Firstly I hate the book title, it definitely sounds like a call to submission but when I actually listened to the author talk it didn’t sound as bad as I initially thought it would be.

So from what I can gather the main premise is that wives shouldn’t try to control their husbands but instead focus on their own happiness. It seemed to me what she was saying is that sometimes women might be attempting to control and micromanage every aspect of their lives including and down to what their husbands eat and wear. Her solution is to essentially let go and stop trying to control your husband and focus on yourself and your own happiness. Her theory is that when you step back from trying to control the situation your husband will have the space to step up and do more in the home or with the kids. That if the wife is softer and leans more towards praise and gratitude of her husband she will get more of what she actually wants from him. That you chose your husband and so your should trust him to be able to be a good husband without constantly having to tell him what to do or complaining about your own situation.

To some extent this rang a bell for me because when I look at my parents marriage which can be very combative I do see that my mother has this very type a, controlling attitude in the home and the relationship she is very unhappy with the way my dad does things, what he wears, how he eats, when he goes to bed, how he does chores etc. I also kind of remember her being like that with us as well when we were still at home and it took me moving away and growing up without her to see that I was never bad or wrong but that I simply was different to my mum but to her if you don’t do it her way then your are clearly in the wrong because her way is the best way. I think my dad was always trying to be good enough for my mum but these days he rebels against her tendency to control by being even more of himself which just infuriates my mother more. My mum is awesome and admirable in so many ways but she also makes life very hard for herself I think.

I see a similar dynamic with another couple the wife with similar controlling tendencies probably as a result of quite an unstable and difficult childhood. She is constantly trying to map out her husbands life the same way she labels and colour codes every item in the house and every second of her children’s time and I think it does infantilise him and so he doesn’t take initiative and does just check out and scroll on his phone as a kind of escapism. Would he step up more, take more initiative if she stepped back and let go or would just go on working to rote and checking out? I don’t know.

I am not saying she is all in the wrong it could be that she is only this way due to his lack of initiative in the past but she is controlling overall in every aspect of her life. Again a very impressive women but is she making life harder for herself?

Me and DH are both pretty laid back and neither of us is controlling. We do each pay to our strengths in the relationship which are not all along traditional gender roles and we both know that we are each responsible for our own happiness as opposed to demanding it off the other. It works well and we don’t really deal with conflict in our 28 years together and we typically take pleasure in what the other loves and enjoys.

At the same time I wouldn’t say I was surrendered to him, I think we are a partnership of equals and that our relationship is equitable and fair. There are times when he may take the lead and there are times when I am the one who is leading and most of the time we just talk and come to a decision which we both agree on. Financially we are on the same page so both fairly conservative with money and savers and we make financial choices together.

To be fair if I couldn’t trust him or rely on him then I doubt I would be so relaxed about everything and to be honest I don’t think I’d be married to a man I couldn’t trust or respect but you know it isn’t always easy to know who someone really is until you experience some kind of hardship or have kids or whatever the stressor might be so there is luck involved.

I think she does say that if your man has an active addiction or is physically abusive then you should leave him. I’m not sure but the implication seems to be that if the man is mentally or emotionally abusive, lazy, pesters the wife for sex no stop etc that if the wife only changes her behaviour and response the man’s behaviour will change automatically. Is that really true do you think or could it risk making an already abused woman more vulnerable? She actually mentioned in the podcast one woman a trainee doctor who was put in the ER by her husband while she was pregnant with his child and the doctor treating her told her to leave but the woman wanting to save the marriage went to Laura Doyle and is still married to the man who beat her while she was pregnant and Laura Doyle was obviously happy she made this happen!

So I feel like I can get onboard with some of what she is saying such as let some things go, accept you can’t change another person, give your partner space to step up and into their role as a husband and father and to focus on your own happiness instead of feeling like every minute of your life has to be taken up doing for others. However it just also seems like she is assuming that most men are fundamentally good and trust worthy and will step up if you give them the space to do so. What is to say that a man who is selfish and careless won’t just take that as permission to be even more selfish? Is her thinking coming from quite a privileged position, she seems to make a lot of money from her coaching and books and must put in a lot of hours as a professional women so I don’t think her perspective is to be a meek little stay at home wife.

I just don’t know what to make of her and her ideas?

OP posts:
DarkForces · 18/10/2025 06:21

Theothername · 29/07/2024 00:11

The concept basically boils down to this: Women are responsible for men’s (poor) behaviour and you can best control him by deliberately and carefully not controlling him.

So true!

verybighouseinthecountry · 18/10/2025 06:25

Tigerbalmy · 28/07/2024 18:55

@BustingBaoBun I think she means "surrender" as a just accepting that you can only really control yourself and not your partner at least from the podcasts. She was saying that women martyr themselves doing everything for everyone and complain about it and really they should just let go of that need and instead focus on their own happiness and I don't think she especially meant just a hobby although it could be that.

Her story is that she was on the brink of divorce due to her own impulse to control her husband, she wanted him to dress differently, to be more ambitous, earn more, to be more romantic and in her constant attempts to change him and push him she pushed him away. He stopped having sex with her and quit his job. When she realised that she had been actively repelling him with her demands for him to be a certain way, to romance her and have sex with her and started being more supportive to him he started his own business, doubled his previous income and their romance and sex life was the best it ever was.

I mean this could just be a sales pitch, she regards herself as a feminist but must know how inflammatory her book can sound or is.

I am certainly not agreeing with her on everything or even much, I am just curious about her ideas.

This book is/was very popular amongst Bible Belt Christians. Surrender means to give up everything unto your husband, do not have any expectations of him, and "keeping sweet" ie obeying him with a good heart. Being feminine means dresses/skirts (bonus points for gingham with frills), trousers and short hair are for lesbians only, obviously. Oh and surrendering yourself in the bedroom, being 'joyfully available' at any time of the day or night. Missionary position only, a woman on top would surely make a man's penis shrivel up and die.
The 'no expectations' is completely one sided, the men can have as many rules as he wants, low expectations will result in a slovenly, disobedient wife who turns lesbian because she didn't have a manly man!

Catsandcwtches · 18/10/2025 06:31

All I can tell you is, I did the softly softly approach for years and it didn’t work, he never stepped up or helped even when he could see me stretched beyond belief with two small children. If anything he got worse and did less. So no, it did not work for me.

verybighouseinthecountry · 18/10/2025 06:31

I also read The Transformed Wife, I'm quite sure it was her who said her husband physically abused her once during sex (strangulation) and it was the Lord's way of reminding her that she had been disobedient to her husband. She also beat her kids and was very emotionally abusive to them.
Unsurprisingly, many of these men turn out to have DV or paedophile convictions.

DarkForces · 18/10/2025 06:36

I have made notes:

  1. a wife relinquishes control of her husband's life - no one should be controlling anyone in a relationship
  2. she respects his decisions for his life - well yes, as long as they aren't ones that negatively impact on her or dependents. He should do the same.
  3. she practices good self-care (she does at least three things a day for her own enjoyment). Self care is great. Does a sleep on the sofa after drinking wine count as one or 2?
  4. she practices expressing gratitude (thanking her husband for the things he does) - recognising each other's contributions is good.
  5. a surrendered wife is not afraid to show her vulnerability and take the feminine approach - you what now?
  6. she trusts him to handle household finances - what????? How would this even work? You want me to have no say over my finances if he wants to take control? Fuck right off.

Dark's rules

  1. don't be a twat
  2. household drudgery and other boring shit is everyone's responsibility and if it's done to an ok standard it's fine.
  3. sex specific drudgery can be identified by asking the simple question does it involve a penis or vagina?
  4. everyone should pull their weight and have time to have some fun!

I should write a book!

verybighouseinthecountry · 18/10/2025 06:55

There's a sub Reddit for this and just had a read. A woman complains her husband is useless in bed, has no financial sense and needs her to do every day things for him. The response:

A man needs to be forced into leadership. Let him dwindle your life savings and go bankrupt, he needs to burn before he can grow

She's also then told that she must have "masculine energy" that is hampering his libido and causing his premature ejaculation. The answer is, surrendering more 🙄

Chica22 · 20/10/2025 17:10

Yes, many do.

Chica22 · 20/10/2025 17:12

Did you read the book? Or are you basing your assumption from the book title? Because I read the book and that is not what she says.

Chica22 · 20/10/2025 17:14

Idk what you read, but you just made an accusation of the author in the same sentence that says "I believe it was her". It wasn't.. what do people think it's OK to spread lies about people without first verifying?

Chica22 · 20/10/2025 17:17

Was this "advice" on Reddit from the author herself? Or random Reddit nobodies?

Chica22 · 20/10/2025 17:24

So I found the controversial Podcast episode of the abused pregnant wife. It's episode #180. It's very hard to listen to. Basically this woman was a typical abuse victim who blamed herself and others begged her to leave. She eventually does. She had 3 kids with this guy and didn't want to divorce (ultimately it's her choice and not uncommon). The GOOD news is, she empowers herself by using the book to focus on herself and gain self respect. They were separated, living apart, but apparently her change in her new expectations and boundaries created a better relationship and idk, maybe they get back together. Not something the Author, nor I would have chosen, BUT you can't make people do anything they don't want to and that includes this woman.

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