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There is something just not right with my partner!?

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Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 07:49

We’ve been together around 5 years. In the beginning I put it down to it being his first proper relationship. He was 30 when we met. As time has gone on it’s become more and more of an issue for me.

He is completely emotionally disconnected. He can hide it, he tends to people please but when it’s a real situation with added pressure he completely avoids. He has no ability to understand or have compassion. His go to is to literally avoid it’s happening. He also can’t make decisions about anything and seems very agitated when put under the pressure of just making one. Hoards rubbish that has no value but can’t seem to throw it away.

His mum is the same. She is avoidant of any issues that involve emotion. She won’t visit sick people, avoided us when our baby was born. Avoids all conversations that she hasn’t decided is safe to talk about. If you bring something up she doesn’t like will derail the conversation completely. Sometimes making fun of you. sometimes my partner has made fun of emotional people and of me, it’s not nice, I’m not a robot.

What is going on?

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pubertyalloveragain · 18/07/2024 21:49

Maybe it's just their family way. My ex husband is very similar and so are his family. Silly me for going there.

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 21:50

He definitely isn’t bad but he treats emotions like these weird manipulative things. His mum is convinced I’ve manipulated him some kind of way. I’ve no idea how I’d do that though, he’s not that amazing that I’d need to trap him. He’s free to leave.

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Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 21:56

I think leaving ND undiagnosed is not good. Or completely ignoring the fact that you potentially are. It’s not on, it’s not right to assume that none of us are allowed to feel things without getting accused because you can’t. I don’t behave like this in return. I accommodate an awful lot.

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pubertyalloveragain · 18/07/2024 21:56

The schzoid personality could fit given it usually arises through a child's relationship with their mother.

Not projecting but my husband was diagnosed with this

pikkumyy77 · 18/07/2024 21:59

It doesn’t matter if he is Nd or just had a really toxic childhood: he doesnt have a problem you do. So he can’t engage in problem solving.

He discounts emotion—sadness, anxiety, etc… so he doesn’t see the need to help manage toddler’s experience or yours.

Nothing can be done. For whatever reason he will not recognize the problem so you have to accept he will not change. He will force you and the toddler to repress yourselves to avoid his anger rather ghan accept your emotions snd concerns have validity.

XChrome · 18/07/2024 22:01

Seaoftroubles · 18/07/2024 09:09

If he's ND you can't change him, it's who he is. All you can do is work with it, and accept his differences. You can state your expectations but he may not be able to cope with your emotions very well. If the hoarding involves his special interest that can be very hard to manage too.

She can't change him no matter what the cause is.

Here4thechocs · 18/07/2024 22:03

jennylamb1 · 18/07/2024 07:55

Autism?

I straight up thought autism , too. I live with a 47 year old who you’ve just to a t, described.

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 22:03

@pikkumyy77 I am not willing to repress myself and certainly not any of my children for him so he can carry on avoiding all of life’s challenges.

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Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 22:04

We need a really challenging talk.

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XChrome · 18/07/2024 22:06

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 11:00

He wasn’t like this in the beginning. Since moving in together with the baby now a toddler he is getting progressively angry. We don’t behave the way he can understand so he thinks we are wrong. He was brought up to avoid. It’s very obvious, his mum won’t even entertain me, she can’t even look me in the eye. The issue is she thinks she is perfect and only her way is the right way. She has no time for me because again I don’t behave the way she thinks I should. I feel like I’m crazy but it’s them.

Yeah, that's probably not just ASD then. He sounds quite narcissistic in addition to having dismissive avoidant attachment. You can't fix him. Since this is unacceptable to you, then I guess you know what your choices are.

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 22:08

@XChrome the mum is just really really hard to read. The fact she has never said hello to me if we ever visit or look me in the eye, it’s a weird feeling. She isn’t interested in a single thing I have to say.

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XChrome · 18/07/2024 22:09

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 13:41

@Foxblue No it’s not something I’m happy to live with as is. For whatever the reason it’s not nice to be on the other side of. I can’t turn off my feelings for his behalf and neither should our child be required to. If I had an explanation from him then it’s something I could work with or leave. But he won’t discuss it, he sees everyone else as the problem. Like his mum he just avoids difficult emotions, which is bloody impossible as shit happens. His mum avoids whole groups of people including her own father and her step mum.

You can still leave. You don't owe anyone a relationship. If he's not willing to work on himself or even admit that he has a problem, it doesn't matter why he is that way.

XChrome · 18/07/2024 22:12

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 22:08

@XChrome the mum is just really really hard to read. The fact she has never said hello to me if we ever visit or look me in the eye, it’s a weird feeling. She isn’t interested in a single thing I have to say.

She would have been unable to nurture a child properly in her state, so no wonder he's so messed up.
My ex was a lot like your partner. It was mild at first but got worse with age. He became outright emotionally abusive.

ThisWormHasTurned · 18/07/2024 22:57

I’m neurodivergent (diagnosed as an adult). Certainly some of the things you’ve described sounds like neurodivergence, especially lack of eye contact from the Mum. I have found it helpful to get diagnosed and to understand myself better. My self-esteem has improved massively. A friend said commented today on how lovely it was to be part of my journey to the changes that have happened for me in the last couple of years since I ended my marriage. I’m about to get promoted and I feel so different about myself. It’s not like that for everyone though.

I experienced similar issues with my H, in the early days he came across as a very kind, considerate, caring man, I later realised that was an act. Suddenly we’d been married for years with a DC and I realised I didn’t know who he really was! I had an accident where I was badly injured and when I got home the first thing he did was complain about how much he’d have to do at home!

I spent far too long hoping he’d change, that if he got on the right meds/therapy, the lovely man I’d fallen in love with would come back. Eventually I realised I couldn’t tolerate the way he treated me any more and we split. He moved on very quickly (he denies cheating but I think she was waiting in the wings). I realise now that the man I fell in love with never existed. The cold, critical, unemotional man was his true self. Unfortunately DC still has to see him, but it’s a lot less than when he lived at home thankfully. I have no regrets about the split, I’m far happier without him. I kept sighing when he’d left. Like a weight had been lifted.

Atilla is right (as usual!). Sometimes overanalysing the cause is futile and irrelevant. Bottom line is this is who he is. He won’t change..(especially if he’s autistic!)…so what do YOU plan to do to change your circumstances?

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 19/07/2024 06:53

Paddingtonbear83 · 18/07/2024 14:32

@LoveFoolMe yes I understand this and I’ve really tried to speak and understand what is going on. He has started to shout at the toddler also because he doesn’t understand what she wants and the tantrums are difficult.

No. No. No.

This is not ok. Stop dwelling on why he’s being like this, who gives a fuck. Stop dwelling on him being ‘kind’. He isn’t. Protect your child from this.

Paddingtonbear83 · 19/07/2024 07:09

@XChrome the mum seems to have a much closer relationship with my partners brother and his wife. Although the relationship is odd to me. The wife is very shy and I think controlled. I know she takes anxiety medication. The mum seems to be with certain relationships. Anyway not the point I suppose. I think she either hates me because I took her son or because I’m not shy and on meds and I’m not so easy for her to understand. We don’t speak so no bother really.

I will have a talk to my partner and see what’s going on. I can accommodate someone willing to do work but I can’t accommodate what’s happening as it is. I’ve no idea how to word it thought as I’m not sure he can comprehend my feelings I talk to him about. I’m sure it sounds very complex to him. It must be very hard being ND.

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sparklyhorse · 19/07/2024 08:39

I could have written your post. I spent 7 years and had 2 kids with someone similar. In the end I was broken by it. I still don't know if it's ASD or his cold mother leading to avoidant attachment or a combination but I wasted far too much time trying to figure it out. The bottom line was he wasn't going to change and I ended up depressed because I couldn't get any emotional connection with him. He hasn't changed at all since we split and my daughter now has the same issues with him (she's 9). It took me years to recover myself and stop all the behaviours I'd learned trying to work around him.

For the posters saying why did you have a child with him. In my case he changed over time. He seems to have some ability to fake for a while and this was clearly too difficult as the relationship progressed. After kids came he didn't cope well at all. The previous poster who said for an empath this stable and reliable presence is attractive is right. Unfortunately in some cases it goes beyond stable and reliable to rigid and cold.

People can change OP (though its very difficult and has to come from self motivation) but in this case I think it would be very difficult and unlikely whether the behaviours are ASD or learned and it would require a huge amount of commitment from him. My ex was diagnosed with alexithymia which may ring a bell for you. Therapy achieved nothing though and I remember our last session where the therapist ended up with her head in her hands - we went through the same things every week with no change. It was unprofessional but I must say validating because someone else could see what was going on!

I say all of the above as an autistic person myself. It's based on personal experience of course but sounds very similar. Please remember to think about your own mental health and wellbeing, you may be accommodating and changing yourself more than you realise.

Paddingtonbear83 · 19/07/2024 09:01

@sparklyhorse whats alexithymia? How does that look in a relationship?

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sparklyhorse · 19/07/2024 09:43

Alexithymia is a term to describe problems with feeling emotions. In Greek, it loosely translates to “no words for emotion.” It is estimated that 1 in 10 people has alexithymia, but it is much more common in those with depression and in autistic people. 1 in 5 autistic people have alexithymia.
People who have alexithymia may have have trouble identifying, understanding and describing emotions. They may also struggle to show or feel emotions that are seen as socially appropriate, such as happiness on a joyous occasion.

So what this looked like was that he had a very 'flat effect'. He seemed to be on a very steady baseline which never changed. He didn't 'do' excitement for example. So I'd say are you excited about going on holiday. And he'd say I'll enjoy it when I get there. But the excitement never came. It was the same when I was pregnant. He was going to be excited and enthusiastic once the baby came. He wasn't. I once said something about joy and he sneered and said that's some kind of made up thing, no one feels that.

He couldn't tell what his current emotional state was or what joy or any other emotion actually felt like. He couldn't answer the question 'how do you feel?' He would answer it with anything but a feeling, he would answer it with a fact or a statement. The therapist couldn't get him to answer. I once pushed and pushed and pushed him asking over and over how he felt out of sheer exasperation and he answered with everything but a feeling and eventually shouted 'I don't know!' and ran off. I guess it's like emotional blindness. If you can't see then no amount of asking you what something looks like will lead to meaningful l answer.

He also doesn't call himself I. He refers to himself as You. That's a hard one to explain! At one point he said someone was bullying him at work (they probably were and I don't mean to condone bullying but the woman was absolutely exasperated). I said to him how do you handle that? And he said well you just get your head down and do your tasks (meaning I just get my head down and do tasks). I wonder if it's some sort of dissociative mechanism. He found it almost impossible to make an 'I' statement.

One consequence of this was that he doesn't understand other people's emotions as he doesn't have a context to for them so empathy is very difficult. If you don't understand your own how do you understand someone else's, including your children's.. If one of the children is upset you can see he's clearly unmoved. He will do the mechanical actions to try to stop the upset but other's distress doesn't touch him in the way it does me.

I felt bad for him for a long time thinking what a struggle that must be but in some ways it doesn't actually bother him very much because he doesn't feel the negative emotions about it!

Both my children cried a lot when they were with him as babies and toddlers, I think they sensed they weren't getting their emotional needs met. I'd leave the room and shortly after they'd start crying and stop when I came back. They do go to him now every second weekend. Longer visits don't work well, particularly for my daughter. She is also autistic and needs help regulating her emotions (she almost feels them too much) so it's like chalk and cheese because he can't provide what she needs. When she's there she texts and calls me a lot for emotional support.

I found that after I left it took a long time to get my emotional self back as I had been repressing my own emotional needs to get by. I stopped trying to get emotional connection from him. I had to relearn all that.

Paddingtonbear83 · 19/07/2024 09:51

@sparklyhorse so do they feel emotions they just don’t know what they are? It’s funny you should say that because I don’t think my partner was excited or happy about the baby at all. He simply waffled on about it being a journey. Even when she was born I think I’ve asked him several times do you actually love her but he skirts round the subject. He did throw up and get an upset tummy when she was born, I thought this could have been his emotions showing

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Paddingtonbear83 · 19/07/2024 09:52

I know his special interests make him happy. Whether that’s happy or something else though now I don’t know.

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sparklyhorse · 19/07/2024 09:55

So when things are stressful for him then he has stomach issues (a bit like IBS). That was the only clue I ever had that something was up. I don't think he connects the dots like that though.

Yes I got/still get the waffling but not an answer and also talk of journeys! I also used to ask him a lot if he loved the kids as I couldn't tell.

SummerSnowstorm · 19/07/2024 09:57

Autism doesn't cause lack of emotions. It might lead to them not being as visibly expressed in a display to others, and autistic people may view grand shows of emotion as attention seeking/faked due to the extremity of it, but they will very much have strong emotions themselves still which should be apparent to those close to them.

This sounds possibly more like a psychological condition.

Paddingtonbear83 · 19/07/2024 10:02

@SummerSnowstorm yes this looks familiar. Especially the part where he thinks some things are being done for attention. It feels like only the things he thinks warrant emotions in his mind are acceptable. The things that make him happy should make me happy and the same with what makes him sad. It’s barely anything (well on the outside it feels like he has barely any feeling about anything). I should be the same and if I’m not it’s because I’ve got problems holding in my emotions. He thinks keeping them from being on show is the right thing to do, I disagree.

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Cornishclio · 19/07/2024 10:05

He sounds neurodivergent. Struggles with empathy, not liking new clothes, lack of executive functioning. It is genetic so no doubt his mum is also ND. Not all autistic individuals are the same so he may manage some areas of his life better than others. Lack of emotional connection is one. You do need to talk to him and try to get him to see how this makes you feel but that might just be the way his brain works.

How you deal with it when he is not self aware is difficult. My son in law is ADHD but he tries to manage the more annoying issues which come with that like disorganisation, lack of patience with his two ASD children and impulsivity. If your husband accepts he has a problem then there are lots of books out there to help. If there is a child it is important he addresses it.

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