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Shit - he's gonna invite his mum.

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CrumpledBankNote · 08/07/2024 17:48

So I had a chat with my BIL earlier in the week.

We've booked a holiday. BIL was hinting at maybe booking the same place and coming with his wife and their kids.

I like hanging out with my BIL & SIL. Their kids are lovely and we spend a lot of time together usually.

I text DH and said, why don't we invite them to join the same resort.

He's said yeah ok let's talk about it later. It's his DB.

The sudden horror just dawned on me that's he going to invite his mother. He's going to suggest it because she's a master manipulator, if she gets wind that we are all going together she will lay the guilt trip forevermore and demand her place too.

I won't go into the detail but I cannot be around her longer than a few hours.

What's worse - most of the time he can't stand her either. So it'll be horrific from start to finish if she comes.

What stock phrases can I use that make me sound entirely reasonable but also draw the line firmly at me not going away with her.

So far I have "she's just not someone that I would choose to spend THAT much time with" and "I don't think you could manage her for two weeks either". But I need something more diplomatic that you can't argue with.

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Nosygirl01 · 12/07/2024 22:15

Pretend you’ve booked a holiday at a different place and don’t tell her where your really going!

Nosygirl01 · 12/07/2024 22:18

Or why don’t you just go with BIL and SIL? Leave hubby to deal with MIL 😂

VeryStressedMum · 12/07/2024 22:18

Pinkbonbon · 09/07/2024 07:44

I think this requires the word 'no'. Very clearly and very firmly.

'No. Your mum can't come'
'No Sarah. You cannot join us'.

And what do you mean your husband would have a problem with that? I understand that he had a toxic childhood with her...YOU understand too...but, does he?

He can either say no to her now or he can't. And if he can't...then you have a husband problem.

Because when you have a partner it's your job to protect them from abusive elements in your family. Before that, you can decide whether or not you want to keep contact as the only person it hurts is you. But once you have a partner, you either have to be prepared to finally remove the abusers from your life perminantly or, do whatever it takes to keep your partner safe from them.

It's his job to say no to his mum.
BUT its your job to say no to him or anyone else who tramples your boundaries. That would include your partner, if he's not protecting you from his mum. Which it seems to be the case.

You don't owe him codependency in tolerating his mother abuse. That's his mistake. He doesn't get to coerce you into making the same mistake. And if he wants to guilt you for doing what he cannot (saying no) then you very much have a husband problem.

There's a difference between supporting your husband as he navigates keeping minimum contact with a toxic family member...and -allowing him to enable that family member. Especially in a way that they could then abuse you.

'No'.

Either he respects your wishes or he doesn't.
Either he values you and seeks to protect you or he doesn't. Either he owns the fact that he chooses to maintain contact with an abusive mother and therefore its his burden to shoulder not his wife's, or he doesn't.

A partnership depends on all the formers. If the later are the case, you don't have a partnership.

Edited

Excellent post

CrumpledBankNote · 13/07/2024 06:48

I've had some amazing responses and lots of great advice thank you.

I've banked it all because it's not actually come up since and I'm too much of a chicken to bring it up - not after the week at work I've had 😂

So for those questions -

Yes DH definitely needs therapy. We've had relationship counseling in the past which has been amazing for us and I do know that this is a DH problem, not mine. He is otherwise a great man and a wonderful husband but his mother is like his Achilles heel. I can't forget that he's had 40 years of her mistreatment so it's very hard to undo in one conversation.

Re the honeymoon. Oh my god 😂 we booked it very last minute. It just came up in conversation because WHY wouldn't you share where you're going?!

A week later she reveals very nonchalantly that she's also going on x date and I just remember staring at her dumbfounded because I thought it was a joke.

I later said to DH what the actual fuck - and we agreed to quietly change the booking to another resort and didn't mention it. She took her trip, we didn't talk about it again, she never contacted us during and it was forgotten about. But it was utter batshit - who would do that??

She also turns up at the front door at the most inconvenient of times. Calls on birthdays/anniversaries needing urgent help to pull him away from me. Im pretty certain she breaks quite significant things in the house on purpose (there was a flood once that needed repairs and weeks of decorating at the hands of DH) to get him back in her house.

I am very much the woman who stole her son because she used him as a stand-in husband for many years after his dad left. Even as a young teenager he was paying bills and fixing up the house. When he moved out to live with me years ago she was horrified and made sure he knew it. "You left me, how am I meant to cope on my own" etc etc.

What's worse now is she's been such a manipulative, victim playing bitch to all her friends in recent years that she has none left so we get very little reprieve.

So this woman, I tried for years to build a relationship, did her favors, brought her lunch, suggested hanging out, got her involved with my wedding planning and at every turn she threw it in my face and so now I just don't give two shits what she says or does. I used to tangle myself in knots with anxiety but not any more.

BIL has seen the light of what she's like and we are edging in tiny steps towards DH putting in some boundaries but you can't undo a lifetime of abuse and toxicity in one conversation.

So when it comes up - my plan of action is just to say no. And if he doesn't pick me then that really is a hill for me to die on. But I don't think it'll come to that.

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CrumpledBankNote · 13/07/2024 06:49

@Cherrysoup I actually like your thinking. I'll use that one 😂

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CrumpledBankNote · 13/07/2024 06:50

@EmilyA187 oh my god why are you putting yourself through it.

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CrumpledBankNote · 13/07/2024 06:51

@JellyWellyBoots Share your stories!!!

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EmilyA187 · 13/07/2024 08:24

CrumpledBankNote · 13/07/2024 06:50

@EmilyA187 oh my god why are you putting yourself through it.

I suppose my heart says I never had any grandparents to go on holidays with so I want my children to have those memories. My head however says something completely different.

Menora · 13/07/2024 08:28

We all sneak around in our family too from the PIL. We all just don’t tell them things. We hang out in secret with each other. I told DP that if MIL came on our holiday I would refuse to go. This did work and he managed to get out of her crashing our trip. My MIL will just do anything including just simply booking something without asking so we have to hide things. She went to the same holiday destination as we are going before we arrived, because we said they couldn’t come to ours and then have made a ton of plans FOR US for when we take our trip and then she will guilt trip us so we have to do them (visiting people we don’t know) but I have told DP he can go do that if he chooses but I will go do my own thing in that case!

I 100% understand the fear that she will book it anyway. I had to get DP to tell her that it was our holiday and she wasn’t welcome. He hated doing it

Menora · 13/07/2024 08:31

Oh one of my stories is that my MIL doesn’t like how much weight I have lost so she tries to sabotage it. At Christmas she had a right go at me that I didn’t eat something (revolting) she had made and sulked all day. When DP visits she always makes sure she has over ordered a huge takeaway then guilts him into eating it, I swear she is now sabotaging his weight loss. He feels bad so he eats it!

WesleyNeverDies · 13/07/2024 08:37

"It would change the dynamic if MIL came- we're both families with young kids, we'd all be up for doing the same kinds of things. If MIL came we'd end up compromising on what we and the kids want to do, trying to be nice and accommodate her, and it would end up being less enjoyable for everyone, including her."

I don't know if that would actually work as an excuse for you, you know what your family is like! But if you sell it as being in the interests of everyone involved, you can't sound selfish 😅

Chartreux · 13/07/2024 09:02

Can you not say to your husband "Look, you know you can't stand to be around her most of the time. If she comes on this holiday it will be totally down to you to go around with her, because neither I nor BIL will be having anything to do with her. Are you seriously up for that?"

ThePoetsWife · 13/07/2024 09:40

Just stop telling her things about your life - the less she knows the better

CrumpledBankNote · 13/07/2024 13:35

@ThePoetsWife To be fair we haven't shared a lot with her in the last two years or so. She gossips. She goes from family member to family member telling tales like a puppet master.

I'm being tested for cancer and I had surgery a few months ago. She knows nothing. She wouldn't even be able to tell you what I did for a living. She thinks her son pays all the bills. Constantly questions us about money and give her no info.

She doesn't know anything about where I am or what I'm doing day to day until she demands an afternoon with the kids after I'm already out or have plans.

Way back when I actually wanted her to like me I would make plans in advance, tell her about my life/work but all she would do was shit all over it.

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Doodleflips · 14/07/2024 14:39

CrumpledBankNote · 09/07/2024 17:57

Are you ok?

She’s right!

NoThanksymm · 14/07/2024 16:18

oooooo i like that BIL/SIL are with you.

if DH suggests it bring up that’s a lot b of extra expense. Suggest a weekend maybe? Use your phrases. They are good!

if he goes forward with it then you need a side plot with BIL/SIL so that DH is stuck with nasty MIL the whole time! Maybe learn his lesson.

MIL can’t swim (example) guess who’s getting scuba liscences! Snorkeling. Boating. Fishing!

AND I’d warn him. Sorry we’re doing fun things MIL WOULDN’T LIKE. Feel left out. You’ll have to entertain her if you want her to come.

AND hopefully you like new hobby and it’s future holidays covered too!

AcrossthePond55 · 14/07/2024 16:32

@CrumpledBankNote

Time to go nuclear, the 'inching' him along doesn't seem to be working. Or at least, not working fast enough to avoid a holiday disaster. I think you, BiL, and SiL need to present a united front, right now. DH needs to know from the get-go that if MiL is invited or is told the 'where and when' and invites herself that the three of you (+DC) will be either backing out altogether or will be making a new reservation without DH and he can have MiL all to himself. It would be good if this could come with BiL as 'the lead' since it's 'their mother'.

Mimimimi1234 · 14/07/2024 20:00

Can you make it a holiday she eould definitely hate and not come to. Otherwise I eould have to just say its me or her.

Curlyreine · 14/07/2024 20:42

DH did this, except it was a holiday with my parents. DF & FIL do not get along.

I told DH under no circumstances was I spending my precious holidays dealing with bickering grandads. And as he had caused this situation, he could solve it.

His parents have never shown any interest in going on holiday with us and their GC, whereas for my DP it is the highlight of their summer, and they have subbed us if we were short. If PIL had shown any interest at all, I may have relented. But they haven't.

I suspect DH was really trying to get his parents to take some sort of interest in DC, I know it hurts him that my DP are so invested and his aren't... and so I tried to be sympathetic, but I absolutely wasn't willing to sacrifice my peaceful holiday !!!

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