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I think my marriage is over...

59 replies

probateproblems · 07/07/2024 23:28

My husband of 10 years is a great dad to our two DC. I'm the breadwinner (he's only done casual work since covid- by mutual agreement) and I work hard at a demanding job that pays a good salary. He does the cooking, housework and gets the DC ready for school in the morning. I'm close to burnout because I am sole earner and carry all the mental load. I think my husband probably has ADHD or some form of neurodiversity because he's unable to plan ahead or organise anything (but refuses to even try). I would like a nice home to relax in - but my husband would rather be outdoors. As such, our house is cluttered and chaotic (in my opinion, although not in his). We no longer have anything in common. He falls asleep with the kids so I spend every evening alone. I've given up trying to book dates/ time together because whilst he's a reasonably willing participant- it's always me driving any quality time together. Our sex life is non-existent (for various reasons). He has no drive (other than for exercise) and is extremely passive- preferring me to take the reins in organising anything. I've just learnt tonight that he's going away for a weekend (hobby related) in September with a friend. He's done 3 or 4 of these weekends away in recent years.... but organising a weekend away with me is beyond him. We had counselling Oct- Mar but i stopped paying because he just wasn't making any effort to spend time with me. He says he loves me and doesn't want to split up but I want a husband to do things with, have fun and spend time together as a couple. He just doesn't understand. I'm far from perfect and I worry that I'm expecting too much- is this just what life is like with small kids? I'm not happy and feel we are just house mates who Co-parent.... but am I going to regret calling time on our marriage? I just don't know what to do?

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OhcantthInkofaname · 07/07/2024 23:58

But he's not doing the housework if your home is a mess. You know you really don't have a marriage anymore. He is not doing his share.

XChrome · 08/07/2024 03:42

It doesn't sound like the reason is neurodiversity if he's able to plan these trips and organize his hobbies. It sounds like the problem is he takes you for granted and is not motivated to fix what's wrong in the relationship. In that case, what else can you do but end it? You tried therapy and that went nowhere. So it's either waste your life being unhappy or take a risk and build a new life without him. Only you can decide.

DillyDallyingAllDay · 08/07/2024 04:04

How old are you kids? Under 3/4 and I'd say it's a fairly common place to be; it is entirely possible that your DH has some sort of MH issue- maybe he's mildly depressed? I wouldnt say your relationship is over, because it does sound like something that can be worked though- having preschool ages kids takes it toll on everyone. If your kids are older then DH should also be doing more in the way of work etc so then the household tasks can be more equally shared? If you're working slightly less and him more things might feel more balanced? I hate writing off relationships, so maybe change is needed all round to try and adjust the balance

Coolhand2 · 08/07/2024 05:17

What about if he goes back to work, you might find it boost his confidence and he does what you want. You could hire a cleaner if possible. Entertaining young kids during the day plus doing house chores is tough.

VotesAndGoats · 08/07/2024 05:38

Maybe get in a professional declutterer. My friend does this for like £35 an hour. I am not offering her service but just showing what is available. She sent me a photo the other day and I was like wow do they have ADHD (I do) and she was insistent they don't, just busy, lovely family, this is common with families etc. Anyway it sounds like it would cheer you up.

HomeTheatreSystem · 08/07/2024 05:50

He likes the way things are which is why he doesn't want a divorce as it would mean his way of living which seems to suit only him, would be out the window. You don't like the way things are, understandably, so yes, you should tell him you want to divorce.

PermanentTemporary · 08/07/2024 05:59

Mmm. I do think this isn't uncommon when children are small. The full timer starts living a child timetable and the one who's out at work is in a different place. I wouldn't see this as necessarily unfixable, bit it dies sound serious.

Firstly, are the children OK? I'm not going to lie, I like the sound of someone who gets the kids outdoors all the time and prioritises that over an immaculate home. Also he's focused on a routine for the kids and also makes sure he gets enough sleep. These seem like good things.

Tbh if the partner going out to work is finding the state of the house hard, the obvious solution is to do some housework... or discuss having a cleaner?

Much more concerning is that your sex life has died. You said it's for several reasons - what are they? Is he avoiding you? Is he resentful of your current situation? Do you want to have sex with him?

probateproblems · 08/07/2024 07:59

Thanks everyone for your comments- it's really appreciated. Our DC are 5 and 10 so both at school during the day. My husband does a couple of days a week at work- which is good for his MH- but that then exacerbates the housework situation. To be clear, the house isn't terrible but it's cluttered as he's not great at putting stuff away / having any sort of organisation. He favours a more practical, utilitarian home- whereas I want a sanctuary with nice decor. I don't want an immaculate home- just alone that isn't chaotic. I find mess and clutter exacerbates my anxiety and overwhelm.

@XChrome - I think there is some sort of ND there- we are in the process of having my son diagnosed and there are definite traits in him that he gets from my DH. But my DH just scoffs at this notion. So then I wonder whether it's just the fact he can't be bothered to try. Which is hurtful.

@DillyDallyingAllDay - the DC are at school so he has spare time to do the housework etc. He's not lazy and is always busy doing something- the issue is that nothing much ever seems to get done. He's a very laid back type- but also very active. He wants to be on the move but struggles to prioritise- so he might be busy with something that doesn't need doing.

@Coolhand2 - this was the plan... and I would say him doing a couple of days a week has been a good thing- but it's casual work that he has to do on a self-employed basis. He's not organised enough to keep track of what work he's done and do a tax self assessment when he needs to. The idea was that I would find him to retrain in an area he's always been interested in- but he's been labouring for someone for 9 months now and is content to just do this without any progression. We could definitely pay a cleaner- but it will be me that has to look for and organise this. He also has 3 days during the working week where he's at home. The issue is more that he can't organise himself, not that he can't do the housework.

@VotesAndGoats - funny you should say this- we have one booked!! She was supposed to come a few months back but had a migraine on the day she was due and couldn't come. Just booked her back in for August. She's done a consultation already and says our house is really not bad at all- which I know it isn't- but it's still cluttered enough that it's affecting my mental health.

@PermanentTemporary - he's a great dad and the kids are well-adjusted. But they see us bickering and don't like it. My take is that we bicker because we don't spend enough quality time together so resentment about small things is left to fester. He and I have a great time when we do stuff together- it's just not a priority for him. Our relationship is bottom of the pile where he's concerned. He channels a lot of energy into the kids and he's fantastic in that regard- he definitely does the lions share of the parenting. But I want him to see that within the family dynamic, our relationship with each other is also important. He says he understands this and wants to make it better- but he struggles to plan ahead and organise any dates. I don't want anything lavish- a bike ride together, the hill walk we did on our first date- that kind of thing. He tells me earnestly that he will, that he understands, that he wants our marriage to work but then.... nothing changes.

Our sex life is non-existent because our kids don't sleep and require a lot of input from us to get to sleep and stay asleep. So invariably we end up each sleep with one of the kids. I've tried to change this by trying to incentivise and encourage them to be more independent. We're making progress but it's small steps. So because we're not physically sharing a bed- sex doesn't happen. I also want to feel valued and appreciated and desired- which I don't. So I don't feel like making love. I'm also no longer taking contraception because after being on the pill most of my adult life, I no longer want to take it. He's resisted getting a vasectomy- mostly because he's not organised enough to book one in. So when we do have sex (rarely) its withdrawal method which I find unfulfilling (without going into too much detail!)

I've tried to change this dynamic- but no matter what I do, we just end up stuck in this rut where daily life takes over and he can't see that our relationship is going down the toilet. I've tried to organise and plan stuff for us to do together- and we have a great time when we do. But it's always me driving it and coming up with suggestions. It's never reciprocated. I just want to feel as though my husband wants to be with me.

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PussInBin20 · 08/07/2024 09:25

I think you need to lay it on the line - either he shapes up or you ship out. Spell it out that this relationship is not working for you and you won’t tolerate it for endless years.

Otherwise what happens when the kids grow up/do their own thing? Divorce then probably.

probateproblems · 08/07/2024 11:23

@PussInBin20 - I have already spelled it out to him. Nothing is changing. He's had plenty of opportunity to step up and make it work. 3/ 4 years ago i could see we were spending enough time together- but we had a 1/2 year old and so it was understandable. I had the idea of us jointly compiling a list of fun dates to do together so that we made sure, once a month we spent time together away from the kids. He had some input into the list and seemed enthusiastic- until I asked for some input on whether he fancied this particular [comedy night] or that [comedy night]. Asked a couple of times and no response. I then left it to see what he'd do and... nothing. We then had covid which made it more difficult but he'd never voluntarily and without prompting, organise for us to do something together. It just doesn't occur to him. 3 or 4 years on from that, lots of hours of therapy (where even the therapist has asked him directly why he's just not prioritising spending time together) and nothing has changed. I don't want to believe that it's because he can't be bothered- he's not a bad man! I can't help but think it must be neurodiversity- so if it is- is it unreasonable of me to expect him to try and organise dates in advance? The therapist said we should have things booked in to look forward to together... let the anticipation build. But it's like he's unable to do it. He lives very much in the present and can't plan ahead at all.

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TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking · 08/07/2024 11:51

Can't or won't? He can plan ahead for his weekend away with his friend.

His behaviour is working for him. Words are easy.

Does he ever show any care or affection for you @probateproblems ?

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 08/07/2024 12:10

Even if he is ADHD he’s massively taking the piss here case in point he’s organised a trip for his hobby but nowt for his wife let that sink in.

nothing has changed because you haven’t done what you said you would so he thinks you’re all hot air and wind and will comply to his whims

separate bedrooms, no cooking, cleaning for him
timetable for the kids for you both see them even in the same house yes it’ll be damn hard but it’s that or you’ll build up resentment which I feel is already in progress and you’ll lose it one day for all the wrong reasons. as it’ll take a few months for one of you to leave or sell the house or you buy him out but I’ll bet he’ll become petty and want it sold to spite you.

by the way a marriage can end for any reason we do have no fault divorce now

probateproblems · 08/07/2024 13:23

The weekend away was postponed from last year when he couldn't go due to illness. I'm not sure how much of it he has organised or if he's just going along with what his friend wants to do (which is what I strongly suspect has happened). Either way it's symbolic of how he can schedule to spend time with someone else- but can't with me. We've just been having a massively emotional discussion about how I think our marriage is over (he's not accepting it) and then from the open backdoor I hear our neighbour play the Beatles song that I walked down the aisle to. It's massively tipped me over the edge

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VotesAndGoats · 08/07/2024 13:36

I have ADHD and I wonder if you can look at division of labour based on strengths.

There is a book called Smart But Scattered Guide to Success for Adults. It has an Executive Function Skills quiz which is really helpful to see who is strong in what. Also there is a chapter on couples.

probateproblems · 08/07/2024 13:41

That's interesting, thank you. I'll look it up. I don't expect him to be super organised over night but I would expect him to at least try. I struggle with anxiety and overwhelm and feel on the edge of a breakdown (because I feel I have so much in my head to juggle and remember). Yet despite this, he doesn't seem to pick up on the massive clues I'm giving him that I need help, and love and some time with him. He's now trying to persuade me to spend some time with him next week but I just don't know if I have the energy to do it all again, just to have my hopes dashed. I cannot stress enough that he's not a bad person. There's no malice or anything like that. It just doesn't occur to him to spend time with me. It's the same with anything that requires any degree of forward planning.

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probateproblems · 08/07/2024 13:44

@VotesAndGoats - I've just looked it up, thank you. Will order on Amazon and hope it helps. Thing is- I need him to read stuff like this but he just doesn't want to. Might see if there's an audio book as that would be one way to get him to engage.

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ABirdsEyeView · 08/07/2024 14:13

If you're going down the divorce route, get some legal advice first - as things stand he's the primary carer of your children and you could find yourself having to move out, losing residency of your dc and paying him maintenance!
I'd get him back to full time work first and get on a more even footing with the parenting.

In the meantime get some help in to declutter, get a cleaner (both cheaper than a divorce) and start socking some money away in your own account just in case.

VotesAndGoats · 08/07/2024 14:30

There's a couple called Rich and Rox who have written a couple of books called Dirty Laundry and Small Talk, about ADHD. They may be accessible as audio books.

probateproblems · 08/07/2024 17:00

@ABirdsEyeView - I am the one with the money- he doesn't really have any. I pay into the joint account for food and bills and transfer money whenever he needs it (he doesn't fritter money or spend on himself- never has done). If we were to divorce then it would be completely shared custody and would be amicable. Neither of us have any interest in point scoring or using the kids against each other.

I don't want him to work full time at this point because that would mean that even more responsibility falls on my shoulders. If he's working but one of the kids is ill- it's me who stays off work, even though mine is the stable job and his is casual labour- he wouldn't entertain letting the guy he works for down (and can't see that he's letting me down!).

The declutterring is booked in and I've been thinking about getting a cleaner again. We used to have one but I couldn't justify keeping her on when my husband was a stay at home parent.

He's now trying to persuade me to go on a bike ride with him next week and book a comedy night in with him- funny how he wants to do it now that I've said our marriage is over!

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probateproblems · 08/07/2024 17:02

@VotesAndGoats - looking these up on Amazon- thanks

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TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking · 08/07/2024 17:33

I cannot stress enough that he's not a bad person. There's no malice or anything like that. It just doesn't occur to him to spend time with me.

What was he like when you first got together and in the early stages of your relationship?

Do you think he likes you?

probateproblems · 08/07/2024 17:40

@TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking - it was great when we got together- but looking back, there were signs that he couldn't organise himself or get stuff done. I just brushed them under the carpet because by that time, we were engaged and I loved him very much! It was amazing when we first got together. I think family life has taken its toll- plus covid and my own anxiety etc. Does he like me?? He says he does- but I do question that because I give him a hard time for not (in my opinion) pulling his weight. He says I underestimate how much time and energy the kids take up- which is probably fair comment. But his parents are around the corner and have always provided a lot of support (whereas mine are an hour away, me having moved to his home town). If he liked me and loved me as he says he does, then I think he'd pull out all the stops to keep me. But then.... if he does have ADHD (which is very likely because my son is in the process of being diagnosed) then it's not really his fault, is it? If his brain works in such a way that he struggles with executive function then i can't change that, no matter how much I want things to be different

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caringcarer · 08/07/2024 17:58

HomeTheatreSystem · 08/07/2024 05:50

He likes the way things are which is why he doesn't want a divorce as it would mean his way of living which seems to suit only him, would be out the window. You don't like the way things are, understandably, so yes, you should tell him you want to divorce.

This. I think the telling bit is he can plan a weekend away with his friends but not bother with you. He's stopped valuing you and is taking you for granted. You've tried counselling but discovered if he doesn't want to work at your marriage you can't do it all alone. I think you are right, your marriage is over.

goody2shooz · 08/07/2024 20:55

@probateproblems at the end of the day, whether has ADHD or whatever, bottom line is that you are not happy, you’re working your ass off at home as well as at paid work, and he won’t change. If he does change because you’re ending it, then you know he chose to leave you to do everything alone, unsupported and feeling very unloved. Either way seems to be a separation looming.

safetyfreak · 08/07/2024 21:00

If he wanted to, he would. He is able to plan 3/4 trips away yet, cannot be bothered to spend time with you. Is your marriage in trouble? yes, can it be saved? maybe, if you both spend time together to build the love back up.