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Should I end my relationship over never getting married?

90 replies

FirmBear · 14/06/2024 00:08

My partner and I have been together for 13 years, 'engaged' for 10, two children. He proposed many years ago, after our first child, because he felt it was the right thing to do at the time. 6 years ago we were going to marry, many aspects were booked, 5 months prior he decided to leave. I was left with our two small children and a wedding to cancel. Weeks later, we decided to give it another go. Ever since, the question of marriage gets brought up by either me or my children, to my children he says we will marry one day, and to me he says we will never marry. However, when in a good mood, occasionally says maybe we will one day. I want to be married. I always have, and he has always known this. He continues to dangle the carrot and I continue to chase it. Yet I think I know deep down it will never happen. It brings me immense sadness. But is it a reason to end my otherwise relatively happy relationship? I just don't know what to do.

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FirmBear · 14/06/2024 00:29

I have a good job, and we have a joint mortgage with some equity. Financially, I think I would be OK if we were to separate.

Have you both got wills?

Sorted out kinship?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/06/2024 12:32

I would stop doing any wife work whatsoever until he goes to the registry office with you so you have some rights (unless you have more assets then him then I'd just leave)

Nanny0gg · 14/06/2024 12:33

FirmBear · 14/06/2024 11:05

Nothing has happened that hasn't happened dozens of times before, marriage is brought up and we fall out, and I'm subject to the silent treatment for a while. I don't know what made me write on here if I'm honest! Overtired, fed up and at a complete loss I guess. Thank you for your comment ❤️

He really is horrible

imustbeanidiot · 14/06/2024 12:43

Threads like this always make 2 things stand out for me:

  1. The shockingly low standards of respect women are accepting just in case he might, one day, marry them. Please pick up your self respect and dump this loser
  1. The line "I stay for the kids". You are only showing your kids that your self worth, life goals and needs are way down on the list after his. Show your kids what a strong, worthy, self minded woman you are, by telling him his time is up and you are moving on.

I really wish you the best, you deserve so much more

SuperGreens · 14/06/2024 13:10

I hope you have not provided him with wife benefits, such as more than 50% of child care, house work and mental load. And I hope you were fairly compensated by him for the time off needed to have his children. If not I would be rectifying that immediately and making clear without the protections of marriage he needs to pay his way fully in the relationship. This might involve him now covering past debts he owes you, as he has not delivered on his promises. Whether you leave or not is ultimately how happy you are in the relationship. I would not let him get away with lying to the children either.

pikkumyy77 · 14/06/2024 13:13

This idea of the tit for tat relationship “he won’t do X so I won’t do Y” is revolting. Its such a race to the bottom.

He won’t marry you so you should leave. He doesn’t live you and he treats you contemptuously. But there is no point trying to punish or lure him into changing his behavior. He is selfish and mean and all if his behavior is meant to forward those two goals. There is nothing you can do to change him. You can only reduce your commitment to the level he offers (zero) or leave.

You should leave. If you lie flat like a doormat don’t be surprised if people walk all over you and wipe their feet on you .

Catoo · 14/06/2024 13:16

Wow OP.

He gets worse with each of your updates.

-said he only proposed as you were pregnant (vile disrespect)

-walked out before a wedding leaving you to deal with everything as well as look after the children (selfish cruel irresponsible)

-said he thought he could find someone better (utterly cruel disrespectful)

-came back when he didn’t find something better likely because he wanted a housewife with all the benefits (user and narcissistic)

-has thousands squirrelled away for himself (presumably for the better wife and family he will have one day?) (blatant arsehole)

-has all that money but says weddings are too expensive (lying bullshitter)

-got ‘engaged’ to presumably mark his territory but without any intention of marriage (controlling vile)

-tells the children he’ll marry you one day (gaslighting the whole family)

I hope you take a chunk of time away to think all of this over. I once had a bf that was like this. Told me he could get someone better and would one day. I was a mess after 3 years of it. I can’t imagine how your self esteem is after all these years.

Honestly OP you deserve someone who really makes you feel special. Who tells you how lucky he is that he found you.
Ditch the engagement ring if you wear one. If you WFH go into an office a couple of days a week. Meet people. Network. Boost your career. He’ll hate it. He might decide to marry you before someone else notices you. But who cares what he thinks. Do it for you and a potential new life without this horrible man making you feel like second best to his imaginary better wife. In short, LTB.

💐

PaminaMozart · 14/06/2024 13:26

You have more patience than me, @Catoo ... but I agree with every point you so painstakingly listed.

Virtually every day we get similar posts to the OP's. Why do modern women put up with this shit?

I came of age in the 1970s and there's no way I'd have let myself be messed around like this.

It's like feminism is a foreign country...

georgieskylark · 14/06/2024 13:26

Honestly I wouldn't want to marry him!! He thinks he'd be happier with someone else?! Wow just WOW. Off you go boyo

VJBR · 14/06/2024 13:55

It sounds like this is not something you can move on from. Maybe you would be better apart. I think I would give him an ultimatum - marriage or you split. What do you have to lose?

CactusMactus · 14/06/2024 15:43

The duration of the engagement is not the problem. The fact that you are not aligned on marriage is the problem and that you feel he has something over you... that's not cool.

Scampinfries · 14/06/2024 16:10

I agree @Catoo and we can’t forget with men they can have kids right up until they die so it’s not unheard for a man to be with a woman for 20 years then leave and get married, have more kids with a new woman.

It’s the sunk cost fallacy but really Op would be better either accepting he won’t marry her or getting ready to move on and just taking whatever positives she can from the relationship - kids , happy memories etc.

I’d hate to feel like I was begging someone to marry me.

TenQLord · 17/06/2024 08:23

FirmBear · 14/06/2024 11:05

Nothing has happened that hasn't happened dozens of times before, marriage is brought up and we fall out, and I'm subject to the silent treatment for a while. I don't know what made me write on here if I'm honest! Overtired, fed up and at a complete loss I guess. Thank you for your comment ❤️

It is okay to feel overtired, fed up and at a loss about the situation. You have received varied thoughts and opinions. You can see that others would not be happy with the situation too.

You have to do what's best for you. You have to be okay with whatever decision you make. You have to be have to be happy. You should be happy.

Life is for living. I hope you are able to live it. I hope you are able to choose happiness.

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