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Friend's life has fallen into chaos. To help out or not?

69 replies

tellmmeyourstory · 04/06/2024 16:32

I met K 17 years ago, when we worked together in a short-lived, crazy business venture run by a bonkers owner. We were on the same wavelength and managed to have a lot of fun before it folded a few years later. We stayed in touch. We were both professionals in our field, both earning reasonably well and she was on top of things. She was married with a little boy, I was single. She and her husband had a nice flat in Notting Hill. When we all lived in London we'd meet up every few weeks and do cultural things. Then they moved for his work and later they divorced and had career changes. We'd talk every month, visit a couple of times a year. Things were different and sometimes difficult for her, but everything sounded pretty much okay. She owned her own home, had decent work, seemed to be doing well.

Three years ago I moved to within 40 miles of where she lives and we caught up properly. These days she lives with a local musician who plays a couple of gigs in a good month in the local pubs. He occasionally earns some cash in hand with a bit of gardening or DIY but apart from that he's a bit of a waste of space. He's a gentle bloke but it didn't take long to work out that she was working two jobs in order to pay their bills. They lived in a nice house in a nice area of town: I assumed they owned it.

They seemed to practically live in the pub. It was a weird situation where she'd grumble about never having any money, then insist we take a taxi to the pub for supper when we could have had beans on toast at home. I even used to offer to take something for supper when I visited in order to save her money. I used to pick up the tab when I visited as a way of showing solidarity but it started to get so expensive that these days I tend to visit her at weekends and go home when pub time beckons.

It all got even weirder when it became clear that she was earning 30% more than me (in higher management and also with a couple of side-hustles) while also apparently being penniless. Then last year she was offered a redundancy package and took it. Somewhere around £40k. Then they were forced to move from the house they were renting (I hadn't realised) and suddenly she had a crowdfunder going, looking for £4k to help them with a deposit and moving costs. I donated £50. The place they've moved into is in a rough area and is in very poor condition.

I tried talking to her, asking if they had money worries and she just laughed and said 'Who doesn't?' I've tried gently asking what's going on but got nowhere. I'm sure she's embarrassed about how this has ended up.

After Christmas she asked me if I'd lend her £1000 to help her son out with his bills. I did and she paid it back within the month, as she said she would. She's not currently working. She's 55 next year and is planning to take her private pension then and see if she can get by without working. Her choice, but I do miss the old K who was full of curiosity and ideas and possibilities. This K just seems to have settled for rock bottom.

I've run through all the possibilities I can think of. I don't think she's an alcoholic: I've known alcoholics and I don't think she is. I've seen or heard nothing that would indicate either of them are gambling. I'm sure they smoke the occasional joint, though never when I've been around. I don't think they're doing anything heavier than that. I just get the impression that money goes through her hands like water. No evidence of mental health issues. It's all meals out, taxis, takeaways and piles of clothes bought online.

Now she's messaged me to say she's damaged the wheel and drive shaft of her car by driving into a pothole. It's going to cost £2,400 to sort out and she's suing the council to get them to pay — but in the meantime she needs to get it fixed and she doesn't have any money. Could I help?

I just don't know what to do. Any ideas about what could be going on with her?

OP posts:
FakeMiddleton · 04/06/2024 16:35

I don't think you can do much more, really.

And please don't be dragged under by loaning her the £2k+ or anything else down the line.

At most, if and when she confided in you, be the ear only.

Isitsummer2024 · 04/06/2024 16:36

I personally wouldn’t give her that amount. Maybe £50 if she was starving. How will she pay you back?

Some people are like that with money. I have a family member the same. What they spend it on does not make sense.

Mangolover123 · 04/06/2024 16:36

I would say no to be honest as this is all down to her mis-management and a layabout partner. £2600 is a lot of money not get back.

user09876543 · 04/06/2024 16:36

You need to stop loaning her money. It won’t help her address whatever the issue is

HelplessSoul · 04/06/2024 16:36

Tell her to fuck off.

Her financial woes shouldnt become yours.

Noshowlomo · 04/06/2024 16:38

Oh wow.
Honestly without knowing them it could be anything. Does he take cocaine for example? It could just be as simple as he earns nothing and she supports them
both and it’s expensive.
But no, I wouldn’t lend her this money. Something similar happened to me, when I was heavily pregnant and my friend damaged her car. It was ALOT less than your friend asked for but it was taken from my maternity fund. When it came to paying it back she went silent. For that and other reasons we don’t speak.
Honestly she could get nowhere suing the council and it could take YEARS to get any form of payment. Just no.

Grendacious · 04/06/2024 16:38

She'll spend your money just as quickly as she spent hers, so I'd be very careful about that.

category12 · 04/06/2024 16:40

She might just be one of those people who actually has money put away but doesn't want to spend it, so asks other people to sub her.

I don't think you should lend her that sum of money. You took a big risk lending £1K and now the sum she needs has gone up. At some point she's likely to default and then your money's gone and the friendship with it.

Just say it's too much, you haven't got it available.

cheeseandbiscuitsplease · 04/06/2024 16:40

You've been a brilliant friend, I wouldn't lend her any money now, I would say you just don't have it. You don't have to explain further than that. She sounds a bit reckless. I had a friend like this, I never lent her large sums of money and she never let me down but I always knew there was something...unfortunately she was on pretty hard drugs and then she kind of disappeared off everyone's radar, turns out she was in jail. I have tried to track her down but I've no idea where she is now. Very sad as she was a really fun girl.

bilgewater · 04/06/2024 16:41

I wouldn't lend her the money either. She's your friend, not your responsibility.

Danioyellow · 04/06/2024 16:47

Op it could be anything. You’d be amazed at what people can hide from their own partners in their own house. They could be doing any or all of the suggestions like drugs and gambling, or even more. It’s nice you want to help your friend, and I appreciate that so far she has paid you back. But this is escalating massively. You’re going from subsidising a takeaway to paying thousands of pounds for a car repair (if it’s even going on that). Everyone goes through a hard time financially every now and then and need a helping hand, but how long has this been going on for now, when she was actually earning even more money than you? I’d have to accept the fact she’s clearly got a problem somewhere, that she’s using you as a crutch to enable. I’d tell her you won’t be able to lend her money this time, but would she be willing to go through her finances with you and you could give her advice?

StrawberryWater · 04/06/2024 16:49

Be an ear to listen but I wouldn't lend her the money. Just say with the cost of things nowadays you've had to tighten your belt accordingly and just don't have anything to spare.

Isitsummer2024 · 04/06/2024 16:51

She could always get a job? It’s her choice not to work and to get her pension at 55 but then she won’t be able to afford car repairs. That is her choice.

Tbskejue · 04/06/2024 16:52

I don’t know OP but unless you’re ok with not having that money back then I wouldn’t be lending it to her. Some people do live their life in chaos and maybe when she was married her husband kept the show running

justforthisnow · 04/06/2024 16:53

It sounds like alcohol issues to me, but it doesnt matter really, I wouldn't give her the money OP. It'll continue forever.

Meanwhile33 · 04/06/2024 16:54

No way, she’s treating you like her personal cash cow. Time to put a stop to this, or you’ll lose the friendship and the money.

Bittenonce · 04/06/2024 16:56

If you lend her the money - you're gambling that her claim against the council will be successful (at some stage) and that when it is, there won't be more pressing bills to pay. Or you're prepared to write it off....

I have a close friend who sounds similar in some ways - married a very high earner, divorced with huge settlement, proceeded to spend it until now it's all gone with nothing to show. She has never managed money in her life, she doesn't know how to start.

I've tried to help but she feels too independent and accuses me of being judgemental and negative. She can't be helped and if I get too close, I know I'll just be dragged down the abyss with her.

Be very careful about offering her more than time, ears, shoulders and supper.

Slugsandsnailsresidehere · 04/06/2024 16:57

She can try and sue the council but it'll probably cost more in legal fees than the repair cost of her car so how is she going to find the cash for that too?

If you say no and she cuts you off, she was no friend.

category12 · 04/06/2024 16:58

And won't her insurance pay for her car repairs?

And if they won't, surely she'd be better buying a cheap car or using public transport than paying out over £2K of someone else's money to mend that one?

And how exactly does she propose to pay you back if she's not working and intending to take her pension rather than go back to work?

Isitsummer2024 · 04/06/2024 17:02

I would also be wary about her story. The family member I know will say anything if they can get money out of it. It’s always emergency situations and convoluted situations. I don’t believe a word they say any more although I fell for a lot of it for several years.

Isitsummer2024 · 04/06/2024 17:02

Good point there. Tell her to go through her insurance.

Theothername · 04/06/2024 17:03

Can you afford to lose the money? If not, don’t loan it.

happygertie · 04/06/2024 17:03

I would always be there to help a best friend if they needed it and I could afford to, I suppose I would ask myself, would it leave me in financial difficulty if I lent it and she didn't pay it back - yes I wouldn't lend it , no - I would go ahead and lend it, esp has she hasn't given you any reason to believe she won't pay it back, she previously paid back what she owed you. I take the view that good friends in life have each others back where possible. I'm very fortunate but we all a few steps/ poor decisions away from a very different life and if that was to happen I would want to be able to lean on friends as they would me. I suppose it depends on if you consider her a best / dear friend and if you can comfortably afford to leans the money.

Maddy70 · 04/06/2024 17:06

Don't lend her money. Say. I know it happened before but you feel uncomfortable lending money and you do not want money to come between your friendship

femfemlicious · 04/06/2024 17:10

Ask her what happened to her 40k

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