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Friend's life has fallen into chaos. To help out or not?

69 replies

tellmmeyourstory · 04/06/2024 16:32

I met K 17 years ago, when we worked together in a short-lived, crazy business venture run by a bonkers owner. We were on the same wavelength and managed to have a lot of fun before it folded a few years later. We stayed in touch. We were both professionals in our field, both earning reasonably well and she was on top of things. She was married with a little boy, I was single. She and her husband had a nice flat in Notting Hill. When we all lived in London we'd meet up every few weeks and do cultural things. Then they moved for his work and later they divorced and had career changes. We'd talk every month, visit a couple of times a year. Things were different and sometimes difficult for her, but everything sounded pretty much okay. She owned her own home, had decent work, seemed to be doing well.

Three years ago I moved to within 40 miles of where she lives and we caught up properly. These days she lives with a local musician who plays a couple of gigs in a good month in the local pubs. He occasionally earns some cash in hand with a bit of gardening or DIY but apart from that he's a bit of a waste of space. He's a gentle bloke but it didn't take long to work out that she was working two jobs in order to pay their bills. They lived in a nice house in a nice area of town: I assumed they owned it.

They seemed to practically live in the pub. It was a weird situation where she'd grumble about never having any money, then insist we take a taxi to the pub for supper when we could have had beans on toast at home. I even used to offer to take something for supper when I visited in order to save her money. I used to pick up the tab when I visited as a way of showing solidarity but it started to get so expensive that these days I tend to visit her at weekends and go home when pub time beckons.

It all got even weirder when it became clear that she was earning 30% more than me (in higher management and also with a couple of side-hustles) while also apparently being penniless. Then last year she was offered a redundancy package and took it. Somewhere around £40k. Then they were forced to move from the house they were renting (I hadn't realised) and suddenly she had a crowdfunder going, looking for £4k to help them with a deposit and moving costs. I donated £50. The place they've moved into is in a rough area and is in very poor condition.

I tried talking to her, asking if they had money worries and she just laughed and said 'Who doesn't?' I've tried gently asking what's going on but got nowhere. I'm sure she's embarrassed about how this has ended up.

After Christmas she asked me if I'd lend her £1000 to help her son out with his bills. I did and she paid it back within the month, as she said she would. She's not currently working. She's 55 next year and is planning to take her private pension then and see if she can get by without working. Her choice, but I do miss the old K who was full of curiosity and ideas and possibilities. This K just seems to have settled for rock bottom.

I've run through all the possibilities I can think of. I don't think she's an alcoholic: I've known alcoholics and I don't think she is. I've seen or heard nothing that would indicate either of them are gambling. I'm sure they smoke the occasional joint, though never when I've been around. I don't think they're doing anything heavier than that. I just get the impression that money goes through her hands like water. No evidence of mental health issues. It's all meals out, taxis, takeaways and piles of clothes bought online.

Now she's messaged me to say she's damaged the wheel and drive shaft of her car by driving into a pothole. It's going to cost £2,400 to sort out and she's suing the council to get them to pay — but in the meantime she needs to get it fixed and she doesn't have any money. Could I help?

I just don't know what to do. Any ideas about what could be going on with her?

OP posts:
TheTartfulLodger · 04/06/2024 17:11

Well one thing's for sure, she's not taking responsibility and you bailing her out isn't going to solve that one.

icelolly12 · 04/06/2024 17:17

Hmm, are you sure he hasn't got an expensive drug habit she's funding.

I wouldn't blindly believe that story, I know our roads are bad, but potholes don't usually cause that much damage. You've grown apart, time to distance yourself emotionally before she drains you further.

MuggleMe · 04/06/2024 17:20

Surely £2.4k needs putting through her insurance 😱

She sounds so chaotic and really bad with money. Please don't lend to her.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 04/06/2024 17:28

People like this used to be called feckless.

SamW98 · 04/06/2024 17:34

Tell her to claim in her car insurance and if she needs to borrow money then that’s what credit cards and bank loans are for.

You’re not her money lender. She’s old enough to sort her own finances out

MermaidEyes · 04/06/2024 17:41

SamW98 · 04/06/2024 17:34

Tell her to claim in her car insurance and if she needs to borrow money then that’s what credit cards and bank loans are for.

You’re not her money lender. She’s old enough to sort her own finances out

This. Also agree with pp above - she'll spend your money just as fast as she spends hers, and are you sure there's no crafty drug habits going on?

skibiditoilet · 04/06/2024 17:46

Maybe this is why she got divorced?

tellmmeyourstory · 04/06/2024 17:52

So many replies so quickly! You're all right, whatever's going on it's not up to me to try and sort things out.

I'm finding the change in her really difficult to cope with. She's gone from a together mum, full of drive and creativity and ideas to someone who's happy to watch TV all day and go the pub every evening. I get the feeling something's gone wrong and she's not going to tell me about it.

I realised after I'd lent her the £1000 after Christmas that her ex, her son's father, is something high up in one of the big international management consulting companies. He was earning silly money back when I knew him in London. She would have had a decent divorce settlement from him and so it seems she's gone through that too. If her son was really in desperate need of cash his father would have provided. I can only assume the £40k redundancy went on debts she'd run up.

I've worked for years in large organisations where I've encountered managers and colleagues with drink and drug problems and I'm not seeing that here. She's bright and awake early in the morning (messages early in the day), her memory is good. She doesn't drink to get drunk IYKWIM. That said, my life has been relatively vanilla so who knows?

Not sure how we go on from here. I sense she's really embarrassed about the situation she's in. She couldn't look me in the eye when she showed me her new home. I could have cried for her.

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quietpink · 04/06/2024 17:53

Her car insurance will pay.
Tell her your money is tied up and you're unable to help.
It'll never end otherwise.
You sound very kind, and she knows that.

Seaoftroubles · 04/06/2024 18:08

Nope, l'm afraid it won't stop there and this will just be the thin edge of the wedge. Just say you can't help any more as haven't got the funds. You've been very kind so far but don't let her continue to rely on you, she needs to sort herself out now.

Daisy12Maisie · 04/06/2024 18:22

Things have gone up. I used to be able to easily pay everything by myself as a single parent and I took my children on some amazing holidays. Now I have to have m a lodger to help with the bills and I haven't been able to take my children anywhere on holiday this year.

I'm very lucky with what I do have but I just think most people standard of living has dropped a bit over recent years so maybe it's not anything specific she has done although paying for the boyfriend will be expensive.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 04/06/2024 19:00

If I had to guess I'd say her man is a gambler.
If I were you I'd tell her you just don't have the money and advise her to contact her insurers.
One thing is for sure, if you lend her the money she'll be back for more.

EarthSight · 04/06/2024 19:01

£2,400 should be going on her insurance. It's a lot of money.

Do you think she's ever had to manage her own finances before for long? It comes across as someone privileged who is really not used to the idea that money doesn't keep flowing (unless you have some kind of decent passive income coming from somewhere). She might have been living out of her means (as in, not really budgeting properly and spending on silly things) for a number of years before it finally started to seriously add up. There are plenty of people who are shit with money, who always have their hand in the cookie jar and don't really hold back on spoiling themselves.

They both need proper jobs, even part time ones, and I'd be blunt enough to tell her that, instead of asking you for £2,400. There's no reason why he can't keep gigging whilst doing that either. It is a challenge, but many creative people with work part time or full time and have to fit everything else around that.

Nothankyou22 · 04/06/2024 19:04

If the council are anything like they’re here they rarely payout, even when multiple claims for a long term pothole so how would she pay you back if the claim is not successful, when my car broke I had high repairs so brought a cheaper second hand one as that’s all I could afford at the time without having to get finance.

Iamnemesis · 04/06/2024 19:08

Be very careful I am not saying your friend is like this but to get money from people it is possible to ask for small amounts that immediately get paid back. This gives the lender confidence and the amounts of money get bigger and get paid back quickly but then a huge amount is asked for ( victim thinks they know it will get paid back so lend it with confidence ) and that debt is never paid back.
it happened to me 😢

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/06/2024 19:13

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 04/06/2024 17:28

People like this used to be called feckless.

Hard to know what is going on, but I would guess she was made redundant because she was not performing at work due to the same change you have noticed in her personal life. I would also guess that she was always overspending but this was supported by money she brought out of her marriage, the sale of the joint home, child maintenance payments etc which have run dry.

I don't think she is ever going to live on beans or walk instead of getting a taxi - that is not who she is. I wouldn't give her the 2.4k because it will disappear and not really help her (I also don't think she is really expecting you to give her that money).

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/06/2024 19:15

If the council are anything like they’re here they rarely payout

Oh yeah, it goes without saying she will never be getting that money from the council! That is just a story.

category12 · 04/06/2024 19:19

I realised after I'd lent her the £1000 after Christmas that her ex, her son's father, is something high up in one of the big international management consulting companies. He was earning silly money back when I knew him in London. She would have had a decent divorce settlement from him and so it seems she's gone through that too. If her son was really in desperate need of cash his father would have provided. I can only assume the £40k redundancy went on debts she'd run up.

If she does have some sort of addiction, she may not have as much integrity or be as honest as she may have been in the past.

I also think the whole thing about getting people to crowdfund is a bit sus or certainly can lead down an entitled pathway to just thinking other people will fork out for you.

I just can't get my head around someone not claiming on their insurance - why? Something gone awry there? Uninsured? Not wanting to pay premiums?

Going after the council and relying on the success of that?

Asking you for money, but not her son's wealthy father?

Despite being up shit creek financially, planning to retire?

fiddlesticksohyeah · 04/06/2024 19:24

HelplessSoul · 04/06/2024 16:36

Tell her to fuck off.

Her financial woes shouldnt become yours.

Do you have many friends?

There's a big gap between no and fuck off

bonzaitree · 04/06/2024 19:25

By lending her money for the car you’re not helping her with the real issue. You’re sort of helping her in the immediate term but not in the long term.

OP, are you able to say to her that you don’t have the cash spare but you’re happy to look at her finances with her to get to the root of the issue. If she declines that’s all you can do.

Her owing you money will ruin a long friendship. Don’t lend her anything else.

If she brings up money again reiterate you’re happy to help her go through paperwork but don’t have the cash available to lend her.

It’s sad for your friend but if she isn’t honest and she doesn’t accept help then there’s not much you can do.

Swanbeauty · 04/06/2024 19:36

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Withdrawn at OP's request.

Nazzywish · 04/06/2024 19:41

Do you think she spends money as a way to have coped with difficult times after divorce if there were any? Does this go deeper and she need counselling or professional help to unpick what's gone on and why spending in excess is maybe a plaster over some sort of wound she hasn't quite figured out how to deal with, maybe low self esteem at the time so spent on things to feel better etc. It's all speculation of course so best thing is sit her down and ask her directly what's gone on with her finances she probably embarrassed to bring it up first so do her the favour. Do it face to face though this isn't a phone chat chat. Then it's upto you if you can afford to write off 2k or not

tellmmeyourstory · 04/06/2024 20:03

I'm certainly happy to have a really honest conversation with her. I've been trying to do that for the last year or two and she's evaded telling me what's going on. I think offering to go through her finances with her is a good way of getting into a conversation about money, but I think she's likely to avoid or make excuses.

I'm not going to lend her money for the car. I mentioned it to someone else who thought that might be a scam. I'll recommend using her insurance. I can fairly easily wangle out of giving her money at the moment because the company I'm working for is in trouble and is likely to let people go or even go under soon.

I wish I knew what had happened. We've been in touch every few weeks for years, often speaking for an hour or so at a time. When we've met up, in the days when we lived a long distance apart, we tended to have the best part of a weekend together. I assumed I knew what was really going on with her, but maybe she just put on an act each time. I feel very sad.

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bonzaitree · 04/06/2024 20:15

All you can do is offer to help her go through her finances.

If she says « no » (which is likely) you literally cannot do anything more than that. So you need to prepare to let this issue go.

At the end of the day it’s her life. It’s not your problem to solve (unless she lets you).

therealcookiemonster · 04/06/2024 20:25

@tellmmeyourstory is it possible she is being financially abused by her partner? sounds like she has a cocklodger situation going on...