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Ideas of things to do with toxic and abusive MIL and BIL family in London this July

73 replies

Octopusspotcat · 01/06/2024 11:38

I’ve been in a physically, financially and emotionally abusive marriage for the past 15 years which I have plans to get out of this year. I have had quite a rough time and I have been working hard to get the money together to go with my young DC and it’s looking like it will be in September / October.

StbEXH is from a different culture to me and from an ultra conservative and religious background which has been a source of many of our problems. He has had many affairs, slept with prostitutes, physically assaulted me, tried to stop me from working and to control the money I earn. Every day is a battle. His family have witnessed and been complicit in his treatment of me over the years and see it as a normal part of marriage and my complaints about it as the problem and me not understanding the place of a woman.

In July his entire family (8 people - MIL, BIL, SIL and their adult DCs) are coming to stay with us for two weeks. None of them are nice to me but MIL has always been the most toxic. She expects me to be home with her all the time, help her with her personal care (washing her, helping her to the loo - stuff she has two staff members in her home country to do 24/7,) cook for her, clean for her and make the DC perform for her (give her compliments, sing, dance, sit on her lap when she requests, be out of sight/quiet when she wants them to be.)

I work full time, half from home, and she is completely intolerant of this. When she stays and I am out of the house in the office or when I am working from home she will complain every moment very loudly that I am a “terrible mother” for putting my selfish ambitions before care of my children. She will tell my DC that I don’t love them if I work.

If a nanny or a cleaner comes to the house to help me (paid for by me as STBexH will not pay for this) MIL will openly try to turn them away, or substitute them for her staff in her home country by requesting they help toilet her and dress her, and no visit is complete without her accusing one of them of stealing from her and insisting on having them fired, which STBExH dutifully does.

Every visit, MIL, BIL or SIL will always take me to one side and tell me how I need to be more caring and attentive to STBexH, how I need to work less, how they feel I am not being a good mother by working. They tell me I need to make the home environment nicer for him so he’ll want to spend more time with me. (!!!!) I am used to these lectures by now, I don’t believe them, but they still drain me and the judgement and ganging up on me makes me ill and depressed.

anyway; all the background is to ask your help for their visit. I am hoping this is the last time I ever have to spend time with them. I wondered if you had any ideas for things that I could arrange to keep them busy, ways I could distract and avoid them, things that will pass whole days that will look like I am dutifully “looking after” them during their visit without me having to speak to them much, be with them, or spend much time with them. I don’t mind throwing money at the problem.

In the past to make my life easier I have invited friends around to sit with me while the family is there to not make me outnumbered but the friend often ends up getting targeted and ostracised / abused too. MIL has form for openly accusing my female friends of “making eyes” at STBExH or BIL and then when I refuse to throw my friend out or I fight back, she will accuse me of cheating on STBexH because I “obviously don’t care” about her made up accusations about my friend. Many of my friends will willingly be the sacrificial lamb for a day or two but they cannot tolerate the personal attacks for more than 24 hours.

we are in London. MIL is virtually immobile and needs a wheel chair / car to get most places. She is most happy being cooked for, cleaned after, being wheeled around like the queen mother and publicly passing searing judgements on random strangers, friends and people she considers below her (which is about 99% of the population.) She, BIL and SIL need food, drink, titillation and entertainment, basically, but wrapped up in the guise of “quality family time.” If I am perceived to have arranged it, be constantly in giving mode, all the better. The best scenario would be then disappearing for a day or half day at a time watching a performance or a private tour or a picnic which I arrange and get catered but spend all my time with my DC. And stuff I can distract MIL with on the days that I am working.

Any ideas?

OP posts:
SapphireSlippers · 01/06/2024 11:42

"Sorry, I didn't hear you "

"Oh, speak to stbex, he has it under control"

Ragruggers · 01/06/2024 11:48

If you are leaving anyway why try and do this.Move out with the children for the whole time just disappear.How have you stuck this for so long.I wishyou well.

CannotWaitToBeFree · 01/06/2024 11:49

book them in for every activity going 😂 8 hours relentless running from place to place every day will keep them out of the house. Work from the office the entirety of those two weeks. Hopefully by the time they get in it will be bedtime! Fuck cleaning your MIL down! One of her entourage can do that. Your not a slave. Be careful tho, you sound like youre in a very tricky situation with your DH. This is going to be a gruelling 14 days, but at least it will be the last ever time this happens.

fernsandlilies · 01/06/2024 11:57

This sounds like an awful situation and I would be very concerned that your STBEx might remove the children overseas if he gets wind of your plans, so I can see why it’s so important for you to play along. Do you really have to wait until September?

In the meantime here is an advice sheet that you might find useful. Make sure your DCs’ passports are in a safe place out of your house. Good luck.

https://proceduresonline.com/trixcms2/media/14471/prevention-of-parental-abduction-guidance.pdf

https://proceduresonline.com/trixcms2/media/14471/prevention-of-parental-abduction-guidance.pdf

Whatineed · 01/06/2024 11:59

Honestly I couldn't even grasp a teeny bit of energy to even consider this. I'd more likely go and book myself into a hotel and disappear for the entire time. Sorry that's not particularly helpful.

Your mil sounds positively unhinged.

menopausalmare · 01/06/2024 11:59

I would book myself into a hotel for 2 weeks with the children and carry on with work/school.

JennyfromtheBlok · 01/06/2024 12:01

This sounds incredibly hard for you.

I don’t know London well enough.

But my advice is to try and leave before July. Take out a loan, ask for help from those wonderful you have ☺️ Please z

fernsandlilies · 01/06/2024 12:03

If you did manage to leave before July it sounds as though the family would keep STBX occupied which might give you some extra time

heldinadream · 01/06/2024 12:03

I would just poison the lot of them.
Seriously OP, are you aware of how this reads? My vile, toxic, abusive, insane, misogynistic STBX family are visiting, how can I keep them entertained so that I can minimally deflect their out and out vileness? I don't think you can.
Can you not actually leave before the visit? And never see or deal with them again? This is not healthy (understatement I know).

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 01/06/2024 12:06

Ragruggers · 01/06/2024 11:48

If you are leaving anyway why try and do this.Move out with the children for the whole time just disappear.How have you stuck this for so long.I wishyou well.

@Ragruggers , her ‘husband’ has a history of violence towards her, if she does this I fear for her.

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 01/06/2024 12:08

@Octopusspotcat , I don’t know why you are deferring leaving this man? Could you not look into taking your children and going to a hostel, surely anything is better than enduring one more day of this miserable existence?

Meadowfinch · 01/06/2024 12:15

The Tower of London and the Crown Jewels seems a good idea. Do they like jewels? Hard to sneer at them. And hire the toxic mIL a mobility scooter. If she's learning to drive one of them You won't have to talk to the ghastly witch.

Buckingham Palace as pp suggested too.

I wish you well. Good luck with the escape. Take close care of your children. xx

LardoBurrows · 01/06/2024 12:19

It might be easier to hire a hit man and have him take out the whole family, STBEX included. Apparently it's not as expensive as you might imagine.

PinkArt · 01/06/2024 12:27

From experience with tricky family visits, places I've booked that use up a lot of time include: the Royal Academy summer show, Tate Britain and Modern, V&A, matinees. I appreciate your MIL mobility might make some more challenging but they all fit the 'booked a fun thing' criteria when they're actually ways to be doing something together but not together.
Good luck getting through this last awful visit and with getting away from him.

TemuSpecialBuy · 01/06/2024 12:27

Sounds horrendous.

Tower of london and crown jewels
London eye - as long as you arent it in the Pod with them - maybe medication has given you vertigo???? 😁
London aquarium (quiet and dark!)
Matinee west end shows
Kew Gardens if someone will wheel her.
Buckingham palace and an afternoon tea somewhere would be good - the staff can fawn all over her you can rest and eat cake.

If you want a laugh book her in for the wheelchair climb at the o2!!!

CatStoleMyChocolate · 01/06/2024 12:27

Buckingham Palace is open in the summer. For North London, Kenwood House would be an option. Generally, royal residences - you could see if a Historic Royal Palaces membership would reduce costs. Hampton Court is a full day out with grounds. Send them into the maze and run!

Kew Gardens is another full day out if the weather works.

Afternoon tea somewhere?

Boat trip to Greenwich and then the Observatory? People fall off boats all the time….just saying….😬

CannotWaitToBeFree · 01/06/2024 12:29

Are you in contact with Womens Aid op?

Keepthosenamesgoing · 01/06/2024 12:32

If you are splitting up then be prepared that they'll up the levels of guilt tripping etc.
I'd literally leave the house and come back when they are gone. You owe them nowt

Stainglasses · 01/06/2024 12:38

Gosh this is excruciating to think about, it must be utterly awful for you, OP.

LongIslander · 01/06/2024 12:43

LardoBurrows · 01/06/2024 12:19

It might be easier to hire a hit man and have him take out the whole family, STBEX included. Apparently it's not as expensive as you might imagine.

I'm not in the UK any more, but I concur that it's less expensive than you might think.

All joking aside, OP, this is ridiculous. Just don't engage. It's insane that you're even contemplating hosting the family of your abusive spouse, and worrying about how to amuse them. Either leave before they come, book a cheap holiday/go and stay with a friend or family member for the duration, or just don't engage. Keep out of their way, tell them to talk to your STBX with any complaints. I mean, very soon these people will be a distant, irrelevant memory -- who gives a shit if they need food, entertainment and titillation? You've got your own stuff to prioritise.

olympicsrock · 01/06/2024 12:45

https://www.visitlondon.com/things-to-do/sightseeing/london-attraction/accessible-london-attractions

Yoy can book a mobility scooter at Kew gardens. Kensington palace will lend wheelchairs.

a boat trip where she might fall is an excellent idea.

Even better would be to save the money and book into a hotel for the duration to give MIL the best bed of course…

fernsandlilies · 01/06/2024 12:47

I think the OP and her children would be in great danger if she stands up against this awful visit. Far far better to get away before it happens. Good luck OP

wizzler · 01/06/2024 12:51

Could you be called into the office more ?