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Ideas of things to do with toxic and abusive MIL and BIL family in London this July

73 replies

Octopusspotcat · 01/06/2024 11:38

I’ve been in a physically, financially and emotionally abusive marriage for the past 15 years which I have plans to get out of this year. I have had quite a rough time and I have been working hard to get the money together to go with my young DC and it’s looking like it will be in September / October.

StbEXH is from a different culture to me and from an ultra conservative and religious background which has been a source of many of our problems. He has had many affairs, slept with prostitutes, physically assaulted me, tried to stop me from working and to control the money I earn. Every day is a battle. His family have witnessed and been complicit in his treatment of me over the years and see it as a normal part of marriage and my complaints about it as the problem and me not understanding the place of a woman.

In July his entire family (8 people - MIL, BIL, SIL and their adult DCs) are coming to stay with us for two weeks. None of them are nice to me but MIL has always been the most toxic. She expects me to be home with her all the time, help her with her personal care (washing her, helping her to the loo - stuff she has two staff members in her home country to do 24/7,) cook for her, clean for her and make the DC perform for her (give her compliments, sing, dance, sit on her lap when she requests, be out of sight/quiet when she wants them to be.)

I work full time, half from home, and she is completely intolerant of this. When she stays and I am out of the house in the office or when I am working from home she will complain every moment very loudly that I am a “terrible mother” for putting my selfish ambitions before care of my children. She will tell my DC that I don’t love them if I work.

If a nanny or a cleaner comes to the house to help me (paid for by me as STBexH will not pay for this) MIL will openly try to turn them away, or substitute them for her staff in her home country by requesting they help toilet her and dress her, and no visit is complete without her accusing one of them of stealing from her and insisting on having them fired, which STBExH dutifully does.

Every visit, MIL, BIL or SIL will always take me to one side and tell me how I need to be more caring and attentive to STBexH, how I need to work less, how they feel I am not being a good mother by working. They tell me I need to make the home environment nicer for him so he’ll want to spend more time with me. (!!!!) I am used to these lectures by now, I don’t believe them, but they still drain me and the judgement and ganging up on me makes me ill and depressed.

anyway; all the background is to ask your help for their visit. I am hoping this is the last time I ever have to spend time with them. I wondered if you had any ideas for things that I could arrange to keep them busy, ways I could distract and avoid them, things that will pass whole days that will look like I am dutifully “looking after” them during their visit without me having to speak to them much, be with them, or spend much time with them. I don’t mind throwing money at the problem.

In the past to make my life easier I have invited friends around to sit with me while the family is there to not make me outnumbered but the friend often ends up getting targeted and ostracised / abused too. MIL has form for openly accusing my female friends of “making eyes” at STBExH or BIL and then when I refuse to throw my friend out or I fight back, she will accuse me of cheating on STBexH because I “obviously don’t care” about her made up accusations about my friend. Many of my friends will willingly be the sacrificial lamb for a day or two but they cannot tolerate the personal attacks for more than 24 hours.

we are in London. MIL is virtually immobile and needs a wheel chair / car to get most places. She is most happy being cooked for, cleaned after, being wheeled around like the queen mother and publicly passing searing judgements on random strangers, friends and people she considers below her (which is about 99% of the population.) She, BIL and SIL need food, drink, titillation and entertainment, basically, but wrapped up in the guise of “quality family time.” If I am perceived to have arranged it, be constantly in giving mode, all the better. The best scenario would be then disappearing for a day or half day at a time watching a performance or a private tour or a picnic which I arrange and get catered but spend all my time with my DC. And stuff I can distract MIL with on the days that I am working.

Any ideas?

OP posts:
Tuwhituwhoo · 01/06/2024 16:25

If you were going to leave in September anyway I would just leave now. Seriously, you should not delay this.

Type2whattodo · 02/06/2024 16:55

If you leave earlier, you will have your full salary instead of only a portion of it.
I could not sit and play happy families with 8 other abusive people.

Is he a British citizen? What is his country of Origin and are they signatory to the Hague convention re abducted children? If not, get them put on the no fly list. Be wary of them being removed on in-laws passports if they have children who are of similar age and look similar.

haddockfortea · 02/06/2024 17:19

You need to bring things forward and leave sooner. Even a refuge or a one-room bedsit would be better than this.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/06/2024 17:25

Don’t put yourself through their visiting ie imposing themselves on you to wait on them hand and foot. Would urge you to firm up plans to leave sooner and let your h deal with his family. You need a refuge place and you do not owe these people anything. It is precise because of these children you should leave these abusers without a second glance.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/06/2024 17:32

The money that will be spent on them, these abusive and ungrateful freeloaders, would be far better spent in getting yourself and your kids away from them all.

Mummacake · 02/06/2024 17:34

OP you have my deepest sympathy. Apologies if this is an intrusive question but is stbExH funding their entertainment whilst here? I am just concerned that he will expect you to find this, this denting your escape fund. If there's absolutely no way of you getting out before the summer, is there
any chance of you being 'too unwell' to have them staying with you? Send them to the coast with their son/brother - different one every day if possible! Boat trip down to Greenwich with a day of wandering around the museums & park? As you are working he'll have to do the heavy lifting on this visit.
Wishing you well.

stayathomer · 02/06/2024 17:37

CannotWaitToBeFree
book them in for every activity going 😂 8 hours relentless running from place to place every day will keep them out of the house. Work from the office the entirety of those two weeks. Hopefully by the time they get in it will be bedtime! Fuck cleaning your MIL down! One of her entourage can do that. You’re not a slave. Be careful tho, you sound like youre in a very tricky situation with your DH. This is going to be a gruelling 14 days, but at least it will be the last ever time this happens.

Everything above. Hope you are free soon op xxxxx

Radiatorvalves · 02/06/2024 17:39

Sounds horrific. MIL is in a wheelchair and enjoyed Kew Gardens and also Nymans gardens (south of London near Gatwick). I’m thinking Wisley for her next visit.

good luck. And I’d be in the office for the entire visit.

Alwaysalwayscold · 02/06/2024 17:43

Please give any cleaners etc the time off when they are visiting, they should have to be subjected to that at work.

You don't have to do it (leaving) alone OP. There are some amazing organisations that will help you. If you post on here to ask for advice you'll get lots and you would be able to safely leave ASAP.

Blacknailer · 02/06/2024 17:45

So sorry about this situation it sounds awful.

Good advice already about hiding passports etc.

What happens if they aren't pleased? They get annoyed at you and... Will there be any other consequences? How much does it matter?

Is spending a lot of money on them going to delay you leaving?

Theatre and cinema would be good as they can't talk to you. Or sports events.
Full days out at Kew, Hampton Court etc.
Maybe a long day trip to somewhere like Stonehenge or Cambridge?
Tours of national gallery, V&A etc, particularly if you can get an actual guide. I'm sure wheelchair would be fine.
I'd be v tempted to book a feminist/suffragette tour around London, I'm sure it exists but probably not ideal with a wheelchair. Would be amusing though.

If it's a full day activity then maybe you can say that you can't make it due to work.

Blacknailer · 02/06/2024 17:46

Hmmmm maybe you could conveniently get COVID or something and have to remove yourself from the house so you don't pass it on to them.

AyrshireTryer · 02/06/2024 17:54

Please OP can you leave before they come?
Can you avoid the sh%tshow by leaving before they arrive?
You deserve more, better, kinder.

Cattyisbatty · 02/06/2024 17:56

that all sounds horrific and I concur with others who say make sure passports are hidden etc.
if you really have to go through with this, any day trips so they’re out of house all day and you have a very important meeting:

Greenwich on boat (takes much longer)
kew
richmond
the tower
buck house
plays/cinema if you have to be with them at any point

Cornishclio · 02/06/2024 19:08

I am sorry but this is ridiculous. Let your stbex deal with his own dysfunctional family. If you can't move up the leaving him to before the visit I would work from your office. As for your salary move it to an account in your name so he can't take half. Report him to the police if he is likely to get violent and contact a domestic abuse charity. If he is that bad though I would leave regardless of finances. How old are the DC? Do you have family or friends?

Cornishclio · 02/06/2024 19:10

Surely if you can afford nanny's and cleaners and can afford to throw money at the problem you can afford to leave this abusive relationship now?

AnnaMagnani · 02/06/2024 19:31

There have been some brilliant suggestions already.

I would strongly recommend anything that means none of you can speak to each other - theatre matinees, cinema trips, 3D immersive experiences.

Any other attraction have a look for talks - makes you look fab and at least you get 30 minutes to an hour break

Saytheyhear · 02/06/2024 20:56

Phone age concern, I think anyone can go to day centres but do check.
Then take her to the nearest one (often open from 10am) and then just be the tea lady leaving her to moan at other elderly folk who can easily remove their hearing aids to compensate.

Longdueachange · 02/06/2024 21:01

How awful for you op. Choices are either a brick around their ankles before sending them for a swim in the Thames 😉 or seek refuge for a few days with a friend or family member. I would probably want to lock myself in my room with Netflix and a good book, to make sure stbexmil doesn't make herself too comfortable in your absence. Sending strengthening vibes op, good luck.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 02/06/2024 21:03

I'm of no help OP, but I just wanted to say what a dreadful situation and I hope you get out Flowers

Emptyjars · 02/06/2024 23:27

Call Womens aid when outside the home.
Take you and your kids passports and store them at work. Ditto any important paperwork.
Can you ask friends or other family for a loan.
Be extremely careful with your phone and hope you are deleting browsing or incognito.

Yes to booking them on multiple day trips or overnight trips from London.

Lots of helpful tips from more informed PP here.

I am sorry OP this is horrendous.

Screamingabdabz · 02/06/2024 23:48

Forget trips out. I’d make them all a lovely chicken dinner with meat that had been accidentally left out a couple of days in a sunny spot. Perhaps mildly re-frozen and then only just heated up. I dunno - I’m no good with meat but I’m sure something like would prove what a great and loving wife you are…

JaneFrances · 02/06/2024 23:55

Meadowfinch · 01/06/2024 12:15

The Tower of London and the Crown Jewels seems a good idea. Do they like jewels? Hard to sneer at them. And hire the toxic mIL a mobility scooter. If she's learning to drive one of them You won't have to talk to the ghastly witch.

Buckingham Palace as pp suggested too.

I wish you well. Good luck with the escape. Take close care of your children. xx

Do this. Take her to the top of a hill and take the brake off

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