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Should I be concerned, or have I lost the plot?

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Downtoyou · 22/05/2024 10:20

I left my husband in June after simply falling out of love, he was initially heartbroken but has since said it was the right decision and we have been very amicable.

In August our teenage son was diagnosed with stage 3 cancer and I took sick leave to look after him full time. The day after we were told he was sadly terminal, my husband went up to his home town for 4 days saying he needed to sort out paperwork with his mum. I was upset with this and when he returned I told him that I was disappointed that he left me with our devastated children to deal with the news, he apologised. Unfortunately our son passed away at the end of April and 2 days after my husband went up north again for 4 days and left me and our daughter with no support. For context, we are an army family and so I only live here due to my marriage and my family are also up north. We had our son's Celebration of Life on Friday and on Monday he went up north again, my sister travelled up with him in the car and he told her about his new girlfriend who he met in March but didn't give her name.

I asked my daughter if she new about dad's girlfriend and she said she just knew that her name is Anne (not real name). I said that's funny because he went out with an Anne years ago. My daughter already knew how Anne was a girl he went out with when we had a 2 year break from our relationship in our twenties. He told me she would kick, bite, slap and spit on him. He pushed her once in self defence and she called the police on him and he was arrested. When he was taken to the police station they were concerned about his injuries and he was taken to hospital. She caused damage to his car, would constantly phone his mother and demand to know where he was, made up stories about him and he lost all his friends. Whenever he tried to end the relationship she would threaten to kill herself. She was eventually kicked out of the army due to drugs and we got back together, got married and had our family and she has always hated me for that. She would message him occasionally and he would tell her to fuck off. Everything I know about her is what he has told me through the years, and he has received therapy for the trauma.

On Monday he was with her, and my husband blocked me out of the blue on all social media and WhatsApp. We had had a discussion just that morning regarding the collection of our son's ashes. He sent an email that evening saying this is how we communicate from now on and told me he wouldn't be paying me a penny for anything. I responded asking where has this all come from and that he will have to pay maintenance etc and that I was sorry it had come to this.

I told my sister his girlfriend's name is Anne, she contacted my husband to say thanks for the lift and asked if his new girlfriend is the ex girlfriend and he said yes, she's changed, they've talked everything through and she's a lovely person now. My sister looked her up on FB and she has written a FB status about me, calling me a crazy person who sends crazy emails and how her and her gorgeous new boyfriend had spent the morning laughing about it, this woman is around my age - 40! It doesn't seem like she has changed at all. This was on the day I got my son's ashes.

The reason I am writing here is that I am concerned. He would never in a million years go back to her, but yet he has, just as he is going through the worst time in his life. He's blocked all my family, our daughter is unhappy that he has gone back to someone who has treated him so badly and he doesn't seem to care. He wants them to meet, and I have said no. Am I being unreasonable? Our daughter is 17 and has said she can't have a relationship with her dad when he is with her. I am worried that his self-esteem is on the floor and I spoke to his brother with my concerns and he just said people grow and change. Do they?

I am so heartbroken. I am grieving the loss of my son and now the only other person who understands and was there with us while he took his last breath won't communicate with me. I don't think he's thinking straight. Is there even anything I can do? Should I be doing anything or should I let him get on with it? Am I right to be so concerned or is my grief clouding my judgement? My husband is normally a good man, I just can't believe this is happening.

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PickAChew · 06/06/2024 22:26

And this is the new, improved version of his girlfriend? No wonder your DD wants to keep her distance. She must feel so abandoned by her father.

Screenshot all the taunts and keep copies of everything that either of them send you. And there is no wonder you fell out of love with your ex if this is the sort of dysfunction that was bubbling under the surface.

BugBugTheTornado · 06/06/2024 22:34

Bloody hell OP.

I am so sorry about your son, and frankly, you sound absolutely amazing in how calm and collected you're being in the face of this utter nut job.

I hope you and your daughter are doing ok x

TheCultureHusks · 06/06/2024 22:39

OP I am so sorry for the loss of your son. I wish you and your DD all strength.

There are no words for your awful soon to be ExH. It’s common for people to act entirely irrationally during grief - he has certainly taken the biscuit with this one though and there are no possible excuses. Reasons though, yes several of those. He’s clearly an incredibly weak character for a start (I assume that’s partly why you will have finished the relationship). Weak, quite stupid, deluded, immature - I wonder whether this reversion to ‘how things were’ at a time before your son existed is some (probably subconscious) way of running away from, denying facing his death. Despicable, because as a parent his main focus here should be on, if not your son, then his sister, his daughter who desperately needs the support of both parents now.

but, another day, another inadequate man.

just protect yourself and your DD - keep all records of the harassment this piece of dogshit is stupid enough to splatter online, keep an eye on that and make sure you report it all, but keep him out of your lives.

He will regret it all so horrendously one day but that is his very sad problem to face.

Downtoyou · 07/06/2024 00:05

The police have already told me they are going to visit her and have a chat about my complaint. I worry about the repercussions of the visit though, it could escalate things. I am going to pop into the police station tomorrow as I now have 3 more screenshots and I feel they are getting more sinister and I refuse to be bullied in this way.

He has told DD that he and the gf are disgusted by my behaviour, as he keeps getting phone calls checking that he is not a suicide risk. I must be an awful person for highlighting my concerns to his welfare officer.

The lady I spoke to in regards to Clare's Law recommended getting legal advice and taking her through a civil court regarding the stand up show she says she is writing about me. I am going to wait until the police pay her a visit and see if everything calms down before I seek advice. I don't really have the cash at the moment as I also have the divorce and financial order to get through.

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unbelievablescenes · 07/06/2024 08:22

I get that this is hugely insulting and obnoxious behaviour from the new gf but realistically, this only exists if you give it steam. Time for you to block her and stop looking at her sm. Focus on yourself and your precious girl. This woman is robbing your child of your energy and you can stop it by not engaging or entertaining it. I know it's hard but she's clearly a nut case and Karma will do its job eventually. You're in crisis yourself, take some social media blackout time, have laughs and tears and movies and ice cream with your girl. Build your life back together in your own little bubble and come back out when you're ready. PLEASE stop giving this idiot brain time!! Time to heal and decompress, she's pointless. Her ridiculous posts don't affect you unless you read them, otherwise she's just an entity and will run out of steam eventually. Everyone will know fine she's a crackpot. Hugs to you and your girl

Downtoyou · 07/06/2024 08:39

I have only looked at her socials once a day, I am not giving her that much headspace. I haven't lost sleep over this, but I will not be bullied, lied about or slandered either which is why I have reported it to the police. My daughter and I have had days out since my son passed, we even went away overnight to Alton Towers for my son's birthday. I haven't engaged with this woman in any way, but she is referring to me as Martha because I have asked for the posts to stop.

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pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 13:06

You have taken a lot of good actions: getting financial support, being with your daughter, reporting this woman to the police. But I agree with PP now its time to disengage. The OW is free to do her “comedy” routine on tiktok if she wants. Your ex is free to be reckless, suicidal, and a jerk. Step way back. Have someone else document her behavior. And start living your life.

beenwhereyouare · 08/06/2024 13:49

Secondstart1001 · 06/06/2024 20:35

Yes Martha is from baby reindeer and there is also a film where Kathy Bates played a stalker too .. name escapes me but yes agree with pp.

Misery?

Redshoeblueshoe · 08/06/2024 14:00

Yes it was Misery, where she keeps a man hostage, and breaks his legs so he can't escape.
I don't know anything about the Army, but is he jeopardising his job ?

Leanne1191 · 08/06/2024 14:19

Downtoyou · 22/05/2024 10:20

I left my husband in June after simply falling out of love, he was initially heartbroken but has since said it was the right decision and we have been very amicable.

In August our teenage son was diagnosed with stage 3 cancer and I took sick leave to look after him full time. The day after we were told he was sadly terminal, my husband went up to his home town for 4 days saying he needed to sort out paperwork with his mum. I was upset with this and when he returned I told him that I was disappointed that he left me with our devastated children to deal with the news, he apologised. Unfortunately our son passed away at the end of April and 2 days after my husband went up north again for 4 days and left me and our daughter with no support. For context, we are an army family and so I only live here due to my marriage and my family are also up north. We had our son's Celebration of Life on Friday and on Monday he went up north again, my sister travelled up with him in the car and he told her about his new girlfriend who he met in March but didn't give her name.

I asked my daughter if she new about dad's girlfriend and she said she just knew that her name is Anne (not real name). I said that's funny because he went out with an Anne years ago. My daughter already knew how Anne was a girl he went out with when we had a 2 year break from our relationship in our twenties. He told me she would kick, bite, slap and spit on him. He pushed her once in self defence and she called the police on him and he was arrested. When he was taken to the police station they were concerned about his injuries and he was taken to hospital. She caused damage to his car, would constantly phone his mother and demand to know where he was, made up stories about him and he lost all his friends. Whenever he tried to end the relationship she would threaten to kill herself. She was eventually kicked out of the army due to drugs and we got back together, got married and had our family and she has always hated me for that. She would message him occasionally and he would tell her to fuck off. Everything I know about her is what he has told me through the years, and he has received therapy for the trauma.

On Monday he was with her, and my husband blocked me out of the blue on all social media and WhatsApp. We had had a discussion just that morning regarding the collection of our son's ashes. He sent an email that evening saying this is how we communicate from now on and told me he wouldn't be paying me a penny for anything. I responded asking where has this all come from and that he will have to pay maintenance etc and that I was sorry it had come to this.

I told my sister his girlfriend's name is Anne, she contacted my husband to say thanks for the lift and asked if his new girlfriend is the ex girlfriend and he said yes, she's changed, they've talked everything through and she's a lovely person now. My sister looked her up on FB and she has written a FB status about me, calling me a crazy person who sends crazy emails and how her and her gorgeous new boyfriend had spent the morning laughing about it, this woman is around my age - 40! It doesn't seem like she has changed at all. This was on the day I got my son's ashes.

The reason I am writing here is that I am concerned. He would never in a million years go back to her, but yet he has, just as he is going through the worst time in his life. He's blocked all my family, our daughter is unhappy that he has gone back to someone who has treated him so badly and he doesn't seem to care. He wants them to meet, and I have said no. Am I being unreasonable? Our daughter is 17 and has said she can't have a relationship with her dad when he is with her. I am worried that his self-esteem is on the floor and I spoke to his brother with my concerns and he just said people grow and change. Do they?

I am so heartbroken. I am grieving the loss of my son and now the only other person who understands and was there with us while he took his last breath won't communicate with me. I don't think he's thinking straight. Is there even anything I can do? Should I be doing anything or should I let him get on with it? Am I right to be so concerned or is my grief clouding my judgement? My husband is normally a good man, I just can't believe this is happening.

OMG I'm so sorry for your loss 😞 how awful, I also cannot believe that your ex is acting this way and is allowing his new GF who is clearly unhinged too post status's and TikTok's about you! It's absolutely disgusting! 😡 what a vile person! Especially considering the circumstances but I do whole heartedly give you massive credit on not giving up and pursing the police with this because it's harassment at its finest why she feels she has to do this is just beyond me I didn't think 40 odd year old women did this sort of shit if honest 🤦🏼‍♀️ it's actually embarrassing and your ex husband should be ashamed too! I really hope you get time to heal. If I was you I would go through the courts from now on regarding your ex and having zero contact with him and just keep reporting 'her' 'it' to the police. Let your daughter decide for herself whether she wants too see her father as she is old enough to make her own decisions it's down to him to make the effort and heal things between them if he can. Their relationship is down to him as he's the adult here and if he chooses her of his own daughter then unfortunately you will just have to let it be. In time he will regret it all and realise what he has done. As the other ladies have said he defo is using this as a way of coping with what has happened but it does not condone how is he behaving towards you both.

Lunamolly3 · 08/06/2024 14:45

So sorry about your son, its so caring of you to be worrying about your husband at this time but the focus really needs to be on you and your other children. I wouldn't look at Anns Facebook page. Be kind to yourself and let your friends and family support you.

MissJoGrant · 08/06/2024 14:57

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 23/05/2024 11:48

@Downtoyou have been there regarding your child passing away. so sorry.xx your stbxh, on the other hand, is just a waste of space. he will live to regret his actions. you need to forget him and let him lose himself with the other woman. you also need to let your daughter make her own mind up and make sure you dont lose her to him. please tread carefully with her.

Wow. Imagine calling this man a "waste of space".

In the past year, his wife fell out of love with him and left him and then a matter of weeks later his child was diagnosed with terminal cancer and subsequently passed away.

Where is your compassion?

Downtoyou · 08/06/2024 15:20

I have spoken to the police again this afternoon and uploaded a few more screenshots that I have been made aware of. She's posted saying she wants an apology from me for my lies and slander, but all I have done is tell my daughter their history. My mum and sister already knew all that and shocked they are back together. It doesn't bother me that he's moved on, I have too, I just want the harassment to stop. I think she must be quite unwell.

Anyway, the police are going to attempt to visit her at home today and give her a warning and hopefully nip this in the bus. If it carries on they said they would have grounds to potentially arrest her.

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NippyCrab · 17/06/2024 16:35

I've been following your thread @Downtoyou and I do hope that things have settled down now with this woman. You really don't need this nonsense with everything you have been through.

Downtoyou · 22/06/2024 11:43

So, a little update. The gf had a phone call from the police to tell her to back off with the harassment or further action will be taken. My sbxh then ended the relationship with her because he isn't on social media and had no idea of the extent of what she was posting about me until she complained to him about the warning from the police. He asked me what had been going on so I sent him the screenshots, all 31 and then he ended it with her as he asked her to stop and she didn't, saying I needed to apologise to her!! Things have all calmed down now. She is an amateur comedian and has posted on Facebook and Tiktok a clip of her standing up and talking about their sex life, which is incredibly embarrassing for him as his mother and daughter have now seen it. Honestly this woman! But we have talked and are working towards being amicable for the sake of our daughter and to be able to do things as a family in our son's memory. He tells me he hasn't dealt with his grief at all and has been blindsided by this woman, hopefully now that's ended he can get the support he needs.

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Jhgdsd · 22/06/2024 12:56

You are a wonderfully kind and forgiving woman OP.
He doesn't deserve you.
So glad to read the police took action.
Mind yourself and your daughter and wishing you the very best.

Horses7 · 22/06/2024 14:28

Wishing all good things to you and your daughter

Downtoyou · 06/07/2024 14:03

Thank you all. She has started again after weeks of nothing.

My son's story was in some of the papers this week. A writer got in touch with me and I agreed to do some articles for a few reasons. My son wanted to be well known, and I want everyone to know his name because of how amazing he was. The articles have raised awareness of his rare cancer and also they paid me, which has been donated to charity.

The now ex-girlfriend has gone on TikTok doing a dance (yes, a dance, she is in her 40's and she's been practising a dance to put on TikTok!) saying how disgusting I am for selling my son's story, and giving me a big fuck you for stalking her. I am not stalking her. I think at this point she is obsessed with me. I am only aware of the video because my friend's are watching her on my behalf in case there is anything for the police.

The best thing is that she has put in the comments about how people need to go and live their lives and leave hers alone. The irony!!

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Pmplyce · 06/07/2024 14:23

Omg OP, this woman is utterly unhinged! And shame on her for even mentioning your son.

My work used to involve helping families share their stories and memories of loved ones with newspapers/magazines and I know it can bring great comfort, and I really believe that your son would be so proud and happy that you are doing this in his memory. You are a fantastic mother. Wishing you and your daughter peace and a good future, however bittersweet that is. He may not be by your side but he will always live in your heart, and am sure his story will touch many lives.

StormingNorman · 06/07/2024 14:43

I am heartbroken for you.

I don’t agree that something is wrong with him to go back to her. Some men just can’t be on their own. It’s ridiculous how many men start a new relationship within weeks of a marriage ending. It’s just a fear of being alone and Anne is low-hanging fruit.

Focus your energy on you and your daughter. Don’t react to anything he does but maybe ask after Anne from time to time. Check he’s ok and the behaviours have stopped. She’ll be reading the emails and will be spitting venom.

Downtoyou · 06/07/2024 15:22

@Pmplyce thank you for your kind words. I just want to everyone to know how incredibly proud I was of my son, and I know he would approve. He was upset the hospital didn't have a camera crew to follow his story!

@StormingNorman they broke up a few weeks ago when the police contacted her over her harassment of me. He wasn't on socials and didn't know what she was doing. He has since told me he went back to her because he was blinded with grief but he can see that now and is receiving therapy.

It seems that she craves attention, and is genuinely jealous that we were in the news this week. I would rather have my son than the attention. She has been harassing my ex-husband, he blocked her on everything but she is calling him from all her friends numbers, various landlines and through her friend's social media, she's nuts!

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Julyshouldbesunny · 06/07/2024 15:28

Keep reporting her op. You deserve privacy to grieve your ds...

Downtoyou · 06/07/2024 17:54

@Julyshouldbesunny that's all I can do. The posts don't hurt me, I actually feel embarrassed for her!

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DollyBelle · 06/07/2024 18:24

Echo every PP over the loss of your beautiful son.
At some point your ex will reflect on not being around at key moments and that could lead to extended and complicated grief. But as vulnerable as he may have been he chose Anne over his family and that is for him to deal with.
I think it’s wonderful that you have reached out and shared your son’s story. It will bring comfort to other parents.
Keep making memories with your DD who sounds wonderful.
As for Anne, these women are out there. They have no regard for other people on any level. To abuse another woman who has recently lost her son is beyond contempt. As for her pathetic attempts at whatever she is doing on social media, I’m not sure why anyone would want to listen to a word she says. She will carry on causing chaos but at least you have asserted control in your own way.
You need time to grieve now, space and support, and not to get sucked into supporting an ex who has done so little. He needs to face the consequences of his own actions, and that’s no longer your responsibility.
What a lovely, kind and devoted mum you are OP. Like many others after reading your posts I shall say a prayer for you, and your DD.

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