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Wife sees me as friend, says she still loves me as a family member?

77 replies

Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 16:50

So I have been going through it over the past 12-18 months with my wife. We have been married for 15 years this year and together for almost 18 years. We are both 38 and have two children, between 9 and 15. about 12 or so months ago I was concerned about her lack of intimacy, hugging and kissing, just general loving nature so I asked her how she was doing, her mother passed about two years ago, and her family is distant, so I was concerned and wanted to talk with her about how she was feeling. She informed me that she just didn't love me like she did in the past, and that she had blamed me for not seeing her mother enough prior to her death, to put it simply she saw me as a lazy man whom she was not really attracted to any longer. She gave me a list of items that she wanted me to work through to see if she could find that feeling again, however her resentment towards me was clear, and I was not sure if it was a possibility for me to become someone she wanted, based on my schedule and limitations with work and taking care of the family. We came up together, started dating when we were 21 and I worked and she took care of the kids. we eventually earned enough money and live in a dream community with a dream life most would kill for. She has hobbies, but not many friends, she has a few, but still not many. I would classify her as very friendly and easy to get along with, but also holds herself and others to very high standards, sometimes so high that it can become exhausting trying to meet her standard of what she sees a person should be. Like any relationship we have had our troubles in the past, but nothing so large that would affect a marriage. Anyhow, like any blind man, I went on with life thinking that she was hurting and felt neglected, so i focused on being loving, caring and made sure to hug her and tell her i loved her, despite her clear aversion to this, I am the kind of guy that thinks love and affection will fix things, and I believe based on our most recent conversation that i was wrong. We have been making love, not on a schedule but sort of an expected time table, Fridays/Saturdays, but only once a week and this has been going on for quite some time. I am personally very fit, lean and would consider myself attractive, who knows, I haven't dated or pursued a woman in a looonnnggg time, but I am not blind and can see that women do look at me and are often complimentary towards me in the gym and in public places. She is also beautiful and exercises regularly and is attractive from what I can see in the public spectrum when we are at the gym or in public. I do love my wife, and I suppose I just don't have as high of standards as her when it comes to little faults, and am more forgiving because i believe in marriage you should be forgiving towards your partners faults, Afterall, its supposed to be a lifelong commitment, and it can be tough. She does complain that I have left my socks on the floor, need to clean the back yard more, keep the outside tidy, finish projects around the home etc... I am trying to be more frugal about spending, but it is tough with her current habits, she spends a good amount of money on just everyday life, and doesn't have to consider things like mortgage/taxes/insurance, really anything as I have made a decent living and have always paid for everything for the past 11 years or so, I don't think she sees that we spend about 10-14 thousand per month on our expenses and it is very hard to keep up with, so these projects around the house, the upkeep of the backyard etc. I have tried to do myself to save money, and it has turned out great, we have two or three projects that need to be finished, but nothing big. Anyway, this past week she asked me if i wanted to have sex, and I told her that I wasn't sure if we should because she was not really wanting to, more asking me to fulfill my needs, and I, being a passionate person really cringe at the idea of having a wife who just wants to fulfill my needs and doesn't desire me passionately. She coaxed me into sex and while we are making love, she is always satisfied, to put it mildly, multiple times; but i have found it difficult to enjoy because she doesn't like kissing me, and turns her head away when I do try to kiss her; totally kills the mood for me, after she is tired from sex she tells me to finish up and complains that I am trying to turn it into a marathon, truthfully i am just trying to enjoy the little bit of a passionate intimate moment i can with my wife. Anyway, I informed her that i was no longer in the mood to finish having sex and it created quite an argument. I told her how i felt and she let me know that she had lost romantic feelings towards me and sees me as her "friend" or "best friend" as she put it. I told her that i thought things were getting better between us and clearly i was mistaken. We have discussed this multiple times over the past few days, quite reasonable conversations and we have always been respectful towards one another, but she has informed me again that I need to make personal changes and become a person that truly loves myself and need to find happiness. I told her that I am very happy, and don't really have many things I want to improve. I simply told her i didn't know if I could be the man that she has envisioned, or created in her mind and that i was not really sure if I could be the person she was thinking of, hey, why lie right? I am not the begging type of person, but I did ask her, how she could live with someone she didn't love and sees as a friend, and she said that if I didn't want to see if she would come around and love me again as a husband that it was not fair for me to stay in the relationship. She has recently, over the past year or two been listening to some self help gurus and studying transcendental meditation, I informed her that I think a lot of these guys out there peddling these theories are trying to get wealthy women and/or unhappy women around 40 years old to buy their books and pay for their seminars and are not everything she believes they are, and could be damaging her relationships etc. I told her that i am concerned about her happiness and that I do love her despite the hurtful things she said to me. I told her that I personally think she should focus on her family and building our relationship back up to where it was, and that could be the true key to her happiness. Anyway, I told her I would give her space and let her figure her stuff out. In the mean time I did ask her to look for a job and inform her that if we were to look towards separation that we would need to sell the house and that i can find a place for her while she gets on her feet so we could divide up assets and all that fun stuff. Anyway, this is my story, for what its worth, I am not for divorce, but as a young, fit man who has been rejected for about 2 years regularly, not just intimately, but for any type of affection such as hugs, kissing or just general bonding I am sort of at my end with trying to be whatever she wants, I have discovered that I need to focus on my ability to take care of my family, which is my only focus really and figure out how I will take care of her and the kids in a two household situation as alimony and child support will be expensive. I told her that this was a very big thing for me to figure out and deal with the potential reality of and I may have to stay at families houses while we go through the process. This is just a rant, not sure what I can do or say at this point, but I did like the advice given on this forum and thought it might be a non judgmental place to get advice and perspective. The weird thing is she still wants to plan vacations to go to far away places with our kids, months in advance, still is discussing summer plans for things for us to do as a family, I don't know how to tell her that this whole situation makes me feel that I have lost my family and that I don't want to invest in these trips as a family because if we are about to separate, group "family" trips wont exist as I cannot take my "best friend" on a trip, while pretending to be a happy loving couple.

Thank You!

OP posts:
Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 19:52

Is this too long?

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thankingyou1 · 21/05/2024 19:57

Yes too long, you’re not going to get any replies

post a a new shorter version with a summary

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/05/2024 20:00

OP
I skim read
Post is too long
Post concisely
I know you are hurting and sadly, I feel your wife is hinting that you need to be prepared.
Have you asked her is she has anyone else in mind, etc?

FiveZoo · 21/05/2024 20:09

Sounds like a cross between Coronation Street, with the guru, and you taking the long way round telling us you're going to dump your wife.

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 20:13

That was long but I'll put my reply short. She's told you she doesn't love you anymore and sees you as a friend.

I'm sorry but its obvious that it's over. Whatever you both look like etc has nothing to do with any of this.

If you think you're a catch then break up and find someone who does. Instead of going over everything and hanging on.

YourMommaWasASnowblower · 21/05/2024 20:14

This thread seems familiar, like I’ve read it before.
The facts that I can see are -
you seem to think you are pretty much perfect, your wife doesn’t.
your wife wants you to make changes, you don’t.
Your wife just sees you as a friend, but you want her to still fancy you.
You think other women fancy you, you are fit and that you are quite rich (with the need to say how much you spend each month).
You think highly of yourself, your wife doesn’t.
Your marriage is doomed, I think. Sorry to say it.

goingdownfighting · 21/05/2024 20:16

Are you seeking permission to leave your wife? Sorry I only read half of it.

Sceptical123 · 21/05/2024 20:28

It seems like the root of the problem for your wife is guilt at not spending enough (in her eyes) time with her mother before she passed away and maybe this is being deflected at you for getting in the way of that, so to cope with her guilt she is resenting you. I don’t know the circumstances, did you put any obstacles in her way? Did you make her feel a bit guilty for spending time away from you and the kids or for asking for family visits over there? It’s easy to reflect on the past and wish you could have done things differently. Maybe it’s eating her up
inside and she could do with some counselling to get her feelings out to an objective and complete stranger?

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 21/05/2024 20:33

There are elements of neither of you properly hearing the other.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/05/2024 20:40

@Longtimelurker12 are you American out of interest?

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/05/2024 20:49

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 20:13

That was long but I'll put my reply short. She's told you she doesn't love you anymore and sees you as a friend.

I'm sorry but its obvious that it's over. Whatever you both look like etc has nothing to do with any of this.

If you think you're a catch then break up and find someone who does. Instead of going over everything and hanging on.

"if you are a catch"???#

What a ludicrous comment!!🙄

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 20:51

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/05/2024 20:49

"if you are a catch"???#

What a ludicrous comment!!🙄

He said he thinks he's a good catch hence my reply lol

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/05/2024 20:53

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 20:51

He said he thinks he's a good catch hence my reply lol

Sincere apols
In my feeble defence, it is a very, very long post and I missed the, 😂 bit

Apols again but you have made me😂

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 20:55

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 21/05/2024 20:53

Sincere apols
In my feeble defence, it is a very, very long post and I missed the, 😂 bit

Apols again but you have made me😂

I don't blame you it did go on a bit 😂 sorry to the poster but I struggled lol

Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:32

YourMommaWasASnowblower · 21/05/2024 20:14

This thread seems familiar, like I’ve read it before.
The facts that I can see are -
you seem to think you are pretty much perfect, your wife doesn’t.
your wife wants you to make changes, you don’t.
Your wife just sees you as a friend, but you want her to still fancy you.
You think other women fancy you, you are fit and that you are quite rich (with the need to say how much you spend each month).
You think highly of yourself, your wife doesn’t.
Your marriage is doomed, I think. Sorry to say it.

I am definitely far from perfect, and I could definitely change some things about myself for the better, I am not rich, but also not poor, but most likely be pretty poor after a divorce. I may be ugly, but at least compensate a bit for it with being physically fit, I don't know as I have not pursued a woman since my late teens.

Thank you for the advice.

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Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:34

goingdownfighting · 21/05/2024 20:16

Are you seeking permission to leave your wife? Sorry I only read half of it.

no, just trying to find my way without involving extended family, and see if any other married couples have dealt with this situation or something similar in their lives that might provide a little guidance or clarity for me.

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Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:34

Crikeyalmighty · 21/05/2024 20:40

@Longtimelurker12 are you American out of interest?

Yeah, where does this page originate?

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Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:39

Sceptical123 · 21/05/2024 20:28

It seems like the root of the problem for your wife is guilt at not spending enough (in her eyes) time with her mother before she passed away and maybe this is being deflected at you for getting in the way of that, so to cope with her guilt she is resenting you. I don’t know the circumstances, did you put any obstacles in her way? Did you make her feel a bit guilty for spending time away from you and the kids or for asking for family visits over there? It’s easy to reflect on the past and wish you could have done things differently. Maybe it’s eating her up
inside and she could do with some counselling to get her feelings out to an objective and complete stranger?

I agree with the first point, however, her mother lived about 2500 miles away from us, and she did spend a great deal of time with her, however, losing your mother is devastating and I cant imagine how she feels every day with her mother being gone, so i give her a pass with that, as I do love her and accept that she needs someone to be angry with regarding that. When we were younger, she would visit her mother often, every weekend as she was in somewhat bad health, but i only objected on occasion due to the fact that i did not get to see her or my children as she would go with them to her home for the entire weekend while i was working 80-90 hour work weeks. We have discussed it and while i have expressed that I am sorry about her mom, this was 7 years before she had passed and then her mother moved 2500 miles away for the last 4 years of her life, making the trip to see her a little more difficult, i certainly was not the impediment during those years, it was more about travel and finding free time with life/kids.

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user1984778379202 · 21/05/2024 21:39

Have you posted about this before? There was a near identical thread posted a few days ago.

Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:41

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 20:13

That was long but I'll put my reply short. She's told you she doesn't love you anymore and sees you as a friend.

I'm sorry but its obvious that it's over. Whatever you both look like etc has nothing to do with any of this.

If you think you're a catch then break up and find someone who does. Instead of going over everything and hanging on.

as much of a bummer as it is, I am a hopeless romantic for my wife. I like to tell myself that she is having a personal crisis, that may come out later and she may actually love me; as incorrect as I may, or may not be, I can`t Imagine living without my family. I do accept that I could be wrong and just not be the man she wants in her life any longer.

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TurboAndJet · 21/05/2024 21:42

Did you not get the answer you were hoping for last time you posted?

Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:42

user1984778379202 · 21/05/2024 21:39

Have you posted about this before? There was a near identical thread posted a few days ago.

no, but I bet there are others out there with similar issues. This is my first post; cant imagine I am the only man on this site with an unhappy wife :)

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Longtimelurker12 · 21/05/2024 21:43

TurboAndJet · 21/05/2024 21:42

Did you not get the answer you were hoping for last time you posted?

is there a way for me to navigate to this post? I haven`t posted here before, but seeing another post similar to mine may help me in my journey to figure things out.

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Olivia2495 · 21/05/2024 21:48

She gave me a list of items that she wanted me to work through

like what

Toastiecroissant · 21/05/2024 21:53

made sure to hug her and tell her i loved her, despite her clear aversion to this,

im confused why when she told you what she wanted and needed, you said you didn’t think you could do that, and instead did this, which you know she hates.
and why you’re having such long sex sessions and trying to kiss her and be intimate when you know she’s not into it. That can’t be helping her want to be close to you. I know you’re saying she ‘coaxed’ you but that doesn’t make sense to me.

I do feel like I’ve read this before. And I’m deeply suspicious of a fit wealthy kind man who does his fair share in the partnership but whose wife just doesn’t love him and there’s no real reason for it. It doesn’t feel like you’re seeing whatever you’ve contributed to the situation here.

It sounds like your wife has given up her entire life for you, to support your career and raise your children. Now you say you can’t do the things she needs from you, and she can’t see you as a romantic partner. If neither of you can communicate or move on that then there’s no where to go.