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How can I be happy that my friend is getting married?

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Worrieditsamistake · 19/05/2024 10:19

NC for this because it involves my good friend and I wouldn't want it to be outing.

I have a very, very old friend. My best friend. She has had some really shitty relationships over the years. Never really had a healthy LTR (so no children) and also quite a lot of financial stress and uncertainty.

Several years ago she met a really, really lovely guy and they have a truly wonderful relationship. They are made for each other and I am so happy for her. They don't live together - he's got young adult/teen sons from a previous relationship (ended long before) and so he's staying local to them until the youngest is older. No possibility of children together due to age. All good.

Yesterday my friend called me. He proposed to her and she said yes. It wasn't at all what she was expecting but she is over the moon, they both are. My first reaction was to be absolutely thrilled for them.

But.

After years of struggling my friend has managed buy a small home for herself which she owns outright. She doesn't have much pension to speak of and isn't young enough or earning well enough to change that significantly. This house is her entire security and is SO important to her.

Her fiancé is a genuinely lovely guy (I am certain he is one of the good ones) but he is not a high earner at all and has absolutely NO assets whatsoever. I think the longer term plan is that he will move in with my friend in a few years once he feels able to move away from his son.

Neither of them are especially financially savvy (that's not really the right way of saying it but hopefully yuu know what I mean) and I don't think either of them will have considered the legal implications of marriage. I'm really concerned that my friend is going to be jeopardising her security. If he moves in, my understanding is that her house will become the marital home and that it would almost certainly become a marital asset. He earns less than she does, has even less savings, and also has dependants and so it's possible he would even be awarded more than a half share in the event of divorce.

Also my friend has several nieces/nephews that she is close to and she has mentioned in the past that her estate will pass to them. This obviously wouldn't happen if they marry, and her estate would ultimately pass to her partner's children (or even a future wife, if he remarried) rather than her own family if she were to die first. This isn't such an issue compared to the risk to her security, but I still don't think it's what she'd want.

The issue is I don't think either of them have considered any of this and I am really worried for my friend. In the cold light of day marriage is of absolutely ZERO benefit to my friend and had a big upside for her fiancé.

I'm certain he has no idea of this and his motivations are simply that he loves her and wants to spend his life with her. But years on mumsnet makes me see it quite differently and I'm even finding myself feeling angry with him for asking her to risk her security, which I know is unfair.

So to get to the point, I guess I have two questions/problems. The first is if I should gently probe my friend to see if she understands the legal implications of marriage. I've helped her a lot in the past with financial advice and so this wouldn't be as put of place as it might sound. So long as she is fully informed then I'm happy if she's happy.

The second problem is how to deal with my low level resentment at her fiancé. Its made me look at him a bit differently which I KNOW is unreasonable. But my friend has had so much shit to deal with over the years and FINALLY has security and he is (albeit unknowingly) asking her to give that up for him.

OP posts:
Anniegetyourgun · 20/05/2024 08:40

shuggles · 20/05/2024 00:39

In the cold light of day marriage is of absolutely ZERO benefit to my friend and had a big upside for her fiancé.

Haven't read the thread, but this statement is incorrect. The man is bringing his children to the relationship, who will be able to support both the man and woman in old age. Of course, this is dependent on them staying together.

Huh? Well, they might, but there's no guarantee that they would. They may well have their own families to look after, or could emigrate, or have their own financial difficulties, and wouldn't necessarily feel obliged to look after Dad's partner after his death. OP implied they weren't particularly involved through their own choice. Regarding the offspring of one partner as assets of the marriage is very... well, not of the culture I live in at least. Some might say more's the pity. I can only hope that my own children will see me all right in my old age (I think they will - they're good boys), never mind someone else's.

determinedtomakethiswork · 20/05/2024 08:46

pikkumyy77 · 19/05/2024 14:23

This couple are merging their lives! They are pledging to care for each other in sickness and health! His children may well come to love and care for her. He may be the person whose loving care for her enables her to stay in the house when old age and debility would force her out. The house will be their home. I just can’t understand the fixation on the house as family inheritance if she predeceases him.

But she has fought hard to get that house and if they divorce she immediately loses half.

That is the issue.

Anniegetyourgun · 20/05/2024 09:29

Everyone saying OP should butt out: OP has said her friend is intelligent but admits to not being financially switched on. She has strongly relied on OP for advice and support in financial matters in the past. So if OP says nothing, friend may happily assume there is nothing to worry about. There probably isn't, IF she is clear what she wants and takes the right steps to secure it. Let's say rather, not worry, but action to be taken. It's also implied that the very nice man is a bit of a minus quantity regarding financial issues too, so they could get themselves in a tangle. The best thing OP can do for their future happiness is give them good advice! It's up to them, then, as adults, to use it as they see fit. Ultimately she can't run their lives for them, but she's no friend if she doesn't shout "look out" when she can see a train coming.

I agree with posters who said don't be in a rush to raise it so soon after their engagement, but it does need to be mentioned before they actually get round to tying the knot. As I understand it (IANAL) marriage invalidates existing wills so they'll need to rethink anyway. I'd approach it more from the angle of who they'd each want to leave their assets to (hopefully many years in the future) and let their solicitor broach the divorce issue!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 20/05/2024 18:33

determinedtomakethiswork · 20/05/2024 08:46

But she has fought hard to get that house and if they divorce she immediately loses half.

That is the issue.

This is a misconception. It’s highly unlikely a court would award half the value of the property in the case of a marriage of short duration when there are no children involved and the property was purchased prior to the marriage.

PoppingTomorrow · 20/05/2024 18:41

Worrieditsamistake · 19/05/2024 10:32

I'm not speculating about his intentions, I've been clear about that. I'm worried about the very real risk my friend is unknowing taking with her financial security. And I'm also struggling a bit with my own feelings about that, but again, I've been clear that I know this is unreasonable.

So talk to her bur about the money stuff but you need to make sure you emphasise
they are made for each other and I am so happy for her

And throw out your resentment of him. You have no evidence that he's any more clued up than she is about how marriage would impact them financially.

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