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Dating at 61 - not perfect but is this my last chance?

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DustyGrapevine · 05/05/2024 05:54

I’m 61. 4 months ago, I started dating a guy after eight years of being single.

I wasn’t looking for a man. I met him in real life through a mutual activity. He was very keen and courted me very sweetly, and at first, I thought he was lovely, although I didn’t particularly find him physically attractive.

I was happy to be getting out to restaurants and bars and picnics and days out as a couple - all sorts of things that I haven’t done for years. So far so good.

The problem is the more I’ve got to know about him the less I like him. His behaviour towards me is still positive, but his life story is a real ick for me.

He was married for 30 years, and for that entire time, they lived in a property owned by his ex-wife’s parents. He also worked for his wife in her business. He didn’t save any money or acquire any property of his own during this time. Just lived for free. That’s a massive turn off for me. I’m not sure if I’m being unfair about this.

After he divorced 3 years ago, his sister got him a job and he lived for free in a property owned by his sister. That job fell through. Now he lives with his parents who recently bought him a car. He’s 58.

He has now started a job which means we’ve gone semi long distance, but when he’s in town he now assumes he’s coming to my place. I find this too much too soon. We’ve gone from 3 months of lovely dates to him arriving on a Friday night and being stuck with him all weekend. This is nice for him but my life is on hold every weekend because I feel like I have a house guest underfoot the whole time. Plus I have to rush around before he comes - cleaning and shopping. I work full time so I treasure my weekends.

He also seems to have slumped into domesticity when at mine. He’s stopped planning dates like he did in the beginning, but even when we have plans he ‘can’t be arsed’ getting changed to go out in the evening. I am beginning to feel like I’m giving him the ‘husband experience’ that he’s been used to for the last 30 years, but there’s not much in it for me.

I own my house, have a good job, a good pension. I’m 100% self made and have educated myself and built everything I have from my own hard work. This guy has nothing to his name at 58.

Am I being massively judgemental based on material things? I’m very tempted just to end it, but I’m also thinking it might be nice to have someone to grow old with. My Mum died recently and he was very supportive and kind and I felt so lucky that I’d met him and didn’t have to go through this alone.

I can’t stop ruminating on this. Do I end things or do I overlook the issues that I’m judging him for and just appreciate that he’s kind, attentive and good company? I’m mindful I may never find this again .

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hattie43 · 05/05/2024 07:27

I would be in the same position if I met someone new OP but I've always said I wouldn't be with someone who had nothing . Not for any other reason that if it became serious , didn't work out and I lost everything I'd be too old to start again .

I also think there's a difference in the way people end up with nothing , an evil divorce is one thing but addictions are another . Your chap seems happy to have lived off the generosity of others and is probably ensconced in his childhood bedroom waiting to inherit his parents house .

Blackcats7 · 05/05/2024 07:27

He thinks he has found his next mummy he can shag.
I met one like this on OLD. Thought he was nice at first but later found out photos all taken in his mum's house, his good job turned out to be highly exaggerated, he had been serially unfaithful to his first wife, hadn't responded properly to enable divorce to progress as was trying to hold her ransom over debts and he never paid for anything.

PaminaMozart · 05/05/2024 07:28

I've realised that for at least the last month I've had constant low level anxiety about him

Your body is literally SCREAMING at you!

Watch how quickly your 'low level (?) anxiety will vanish once he's gone...

LarkRiseSummer · 05/05/2024 07:45

If you want to continue the relationship so that you have company and someone to go to restaurants with (not that he can be bothered anymore with actually getting showered, changed and making conversation) then go into it with your eyes wide open. Accept this is a transactional relationship - he gets a classic 'nurse with a purse' and you get companionship into old age. You aren't the first and won't be the last woman to have accepted this arrangement.

My mother took on a similar loser and married him. He brought nothing to the relationship - moved from his mother's house to my mother's house - and was a lazy, arrogant parasite. He quickly stopped making any effort too and didn't make my mother happy. She admitted she took him in because she thought she needed a man and she felt sorry for him.
He died last year and she's much happier now, although just last week she said "I wish I had a man" - she's 91!!

BelindaOkra · 05/05/2024 07:46

He sounds very passive. And it doesn’t sound like you respect him - because if his passivity. That’s fine. It’s fine to expect people to be driven enough to be financially secure. And it’s fine to end something if they are not.

DustyGrapevine · 05/05/2024 08:23

BelindaOkra · 05/05/2024 07:46

He sounds very passive. And it doesn’t sound like you respect him - because if his passivity. That’s fine. It’s fine to expect people to be driven enough to be financially secure. And it’s fine to end something if they are not.

This is spot on! I couldn't articulate this but it's definitely an issue for me!

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DustyGrapevine · 05/05/2024 08:25

Persipan · 05/05/2024 07:19

There is definitely middle ground between this specific guy and being alone forever. Go explore that; this isn't working out.

Funny you should say this. I'd thought my dating life over, but I have learned that maybe I would welcome a relationship with the right guy

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DustyGrapevine · 05/05/2024 08:28

Changingplace · 05/05/2024 06:28

He sounds awful he’d give me the ick too!

He is not your last chance at all! Don't feel like you need to settle, if he’s like this now making no effort imagine what he’ll be like once he retires? What even are his retirement plans if he hasn’t got property, does he even have a proper pension? Will he expect to leech off yours?

If you want to meet someone you can make a concerted effort to do that, but don’t settle for him for the sake of it.

This is what scares me. I've busted a gut all my life and my pension will be enough for me, but it would need to stretch very thin to cover two.

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DustyGrapevine · 05/05/2024 08:29

MrsKeats · 05/05/2024 06:28

I'm near your age and I sympathise about the shallow dating pool there is but this guy is a walking red flag.
Four months in and the relationship is already making you unhappy.
He's looking for another easy life. Don't give up yours for him.

It's hard at our age isn't it? But I agree with what you say

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DustyGrapevine · 05/05/2024 08:31

Meadowfinch · 05/05/2024 06:30

No YANBU. He is a lazy freeloading git.

I'm roughly your age and I've found there are an astonishing number of men our age who are the same.

They've spent 30 years being 'mothered' by long suffering wives who, once the children have flown the nest, have come to their senses and sought a divorce.

The men now have a wife-shaped hole in their life. They expect someone to fill it, who will cook & clean for them. They've had to divide their equity when the wife left so they often don't have property of their own. Many seem to divorce, treat themselves to the car their wife would never allow them to buy, and then wonder why they can only afford a one bed flat that rapidly turns into a pigsty.

The rule is the same at any age. Don't stay in a relationship that leaves you feeling less happy. As this one clearly does.

Edited

Not only that, but they seem to expect a wild and prolific sex life with a woman the same age as the one who's just got rid of them!

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Lookingforunicorns · 05/05/2024 08:38

Ewww no. I can't see any positives here.
Better to come to terms with being alone and focusing on female friendships than put up with this. He's a freeloader. Your gay friend is very perceptive.

DustyGrapevine · 20/05/2024 06:55

Hi all. Just checking back in to let you know I ended with this guy and the relief is huge! I didn't realise just how tense I had been the whole time I was seeing him. A few more issues have come to light which only reinforce that I've done the right thing. Also, in the debrief with our mutual acquaintance, I realise there were lots of red flags which I noticed but ignored. Lessons have been learned.

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RetroTotty · 20/05/2024 08:27

Well done! 😃

BlossomBlossomBlossom · 20/05/2024 08:47

Really, just keep things casual next time.

And never, never, never allow a man to move into your home or become in any way dependent on you.

Don’t give them lifts.
Don’t make them packed lunches.
Don’t do their washing.
Don’t do any life admin for them. Not car insurance, not waiting in for Amazon.
Don’t ever pop in to clean their grimy bedsit.
Don’t let them bring their children to stay the weekend because your house is nicer.
Don’t do a supermarket shop to drop over for them ‘because you have the time’.
Don’t give up your holiday plans because they can’t afford to accompany you.
Don’t tolerate for even a second any questioning of your choice of clothes, make up or perfume.
Don’t curtail any activity you enjoy because they ‘worry about your safety’ or don’t think it’s ladylike.

God - I could go on all day! A decade of MN has taught me more than I ever wanted to know about worthless parasitic mature men in search of everything you are prepared to give away …

Channellingsophistication · 20/05/2024 08:50

Well done you have definitely done the right thing

morechaimama · 20/05/2024 09:00

Well done @DustyGrapevine, definitely the right call! I'm a similar age to you and have recently divorced from a slightly younger version of what you've been putting up with...there is plenty of life to enjoy without carrying the dead weight of a man like that!

DustyGrapevine · 20/05/2024 09:04

Thanks! It's a big relief to be rid and I'm glad my instincts kicked in as early as they did. I did see but choose to ignore some red flags though. I guess when we get to our age we have a lifetime of experience to guide us, but I was still hopeful in the beginning. The MN common sense advice really helped too. I hope you're enjoying your freedom!

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DustyGrapevine · 20/05/2024 09:06

This is great! I feel like printing it out and handing it out a a flyer to all the single women I know!

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determinedtomakethiswork · 20/05/2024 09:16

I'm so glad you've ended it. I have to admit I read your opening post laughing because he was so transparent in his cocklodging intentions.

You should never settle for anyone like that. I'm sure he is very nice at times but for heaven's sake there is a limit to what you should have to put up with!

therejustbarely · 20/05/2024 09:31

He's not a perfectly good guy, he's a low-effort loser. You deserve better than this. Hell, being alone and fancy-free is a million times better than this!!

therejustbarely · 20/05/2024 09:32

Oh, missed the update! Well done, OP.

Churchview · 20/05/2024 09:34

Good on you OP. You've made a brilliant decision.

Here's a funny story that might make you smile. My Nan lived to be a 105!

She met her last 'boyfriend' when she was 99 and he was a toyboy of 85.
She finished it with him because he was 'too clingy'.

Lessons to me - never put up with someone who doesn't make you happy for fear of being alone AND you're never too old for there to be one more fish in the sea - it ain't over until it's over.

DustyGrapevine · 20/05/2024 10:03

Churchview · 20/05/2024 09:34

Good on you OP. You've made a brilliant decision.

Here's a funny story that might make you smile. My Nan lived to be a 105!

She met her last 'boyfriend' when she was 99 and he was a toyboy of 85.
She finished it with him because he was 'too clingy'.

Lessons to me - never put up with someone who doesn't make you happy for fear of being alone AND you're never too old for there to be one more fish in the sea - it ain't over until it's over.

Edited

I love this!

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DustyGrapevine · 20/05/2024 10:04

BlossomBlossomBlossom · 20/05/2024 08:47

Really, just keep things casual next time.

And never, never, never allow a man to move into your home or become in any way dependent on you.

Don’t give them lifts.
Don’t make them packed lunches.
Don’t do their washing.
Don’t do any life admin for them. Not car insurance, not waiting in for Amazon.
Don’t ever pop in to clean their grimy bedsit.
Don’t let them bring their children to stay the weekend because your house is nicer.
Don’t do a supermarket shop to drop over for them ‘because you have the time’.
Don’t give up your holiday plans because they can’t afford to accompany you.
Don’t tolerate for even a second any questioning of your choice of clothes, make up or perfume.
Don’t curtail any activity you enjoy because they ‘worry about your safety’ or don’t think it’s ladylike.

God - I could go on all day! A decade of MN has taught me more than I ever wanted to know about worthless parasitic mature men in search of everything you are prepared to give away …

This needs to go on a fridge magnet. Ok, pretty big magnet but still!

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SherrieElmer · 20/05/2024 10:06

Looks like an old slacker. Get rid.