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Friend withheld important information from me..illegally evicted.. Feel so hurt

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Poppiesanddaffodils · 31/03/2024 21:07

Wonder if anyone might offer their opinion on this situation please. Please bear with me. I will get to the point. I was living with my young family and husband in rented accommodation beside a neighbour for about 6 years. During this time my neighbour became what I considered a friend. She often arrived at my door unannounced, text me, sent me photos, arranged to meet up and we often attended events together. I struggle to trust others but felt that this lady was honest and kind and I felt that I could confide in her over a number of things. She also confided in me about different things.

About 18 months ago, our landlord said that they were moving back into our rental property and gave us notice to leave our rental on this basis. My husband and I sought to buy and find alternative rental properties in the area and searched daily for over a year. We were almost on the verge of registering as homeless when at the final moment before our notice ran out, we found another property.

During this time, my neighbour ie. this lady would often text me and call to me to enquire about whether we had found anywhere to move to. She knew the enormous stress that we were under and the difficulties we were facing as there is a huge shortage of accommodation in our area. I cried to her on occasion as the pressure was too much and I was dealing with a long term illness too amongst other things that I'd prefer not to say here.

When we moved out a few months ago, we promised to stay in touch and meet up when things had settled.

We have since found out from another neighbour who we bumped into purely by accident and who we didn't know too well that our former rental property is now being rented to another person (it was RE rented 1 month after we left) and our landlords did not move back in.

We were excellent tenants and had paid our rent on time and in full so it's very hard to hear that it now looks like we have been subject to an illegal eviction by our landlord which we will deal with separately.

What hurts the most though is that this lady who I considered my friend lives next door to our former rental house and has yet to tell me that the house is now rented to someone else. We had been texting frequently over the past few months since we moved out and in my last text to her I asked her out straight if our landlords had moved in yet. She replied to everything else in my text but not to this question which I found do strange as she is normally quite precise with her replies. I am starting to feel very suspicious now. I do not know why she is reluctant to share this information with me. It would be perfectly obvious to her that someone else was living at our old address and indeed 8 expressed concerns with her at one stage that I really hoped the landlords were not lying to us and evicting us under false pretences.

We could sue the landlord for an illegal eviction but what hurts so much is that she knew the hell we had been through trying to find another home for our young children and seems to have chosen not to share information with us that we have been evicted under false pretences. I'd understand if she was someone who kept too herself but the fact that she was active in pursuing a friendship with me (or so I thought) and constantly asking me to meet up with her etc. My husband says not to let it bother me and go let it go as she wasn't a true friend and I only had coffee with her a few times a year.. but I think I valued her friendship more than she did mine and I feel sick to think that she is withholding information from me now. I know that if she was in the same position I'd certainly have told her. Please be kind in sharing your views but I'd appreciate your honesty also on if you think I'm overreacting. Thank you.

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thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 09:06

MiltonNorthern · 01/04/2024 03:34

But she wasn't evicted. She left voluntarily.

It doesn't matter, I don't think. It's to do with the grounds for eviction. In Scotland a valid ground for eviction is the LL moving back into the house. If he doesn't then do that, and instead rents it out, he has broken the law.

thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 09:07

JimBobsWife · 31/03/2024 22:36

@Mamananny you said 'I think a landlord has more rights to evict a family if they want to move back in themselves. But they lied about that, which they didn't know till after they left.'

A landlord doesn't have more rights in this situation. There is discussion under the Renters Reform Act that this would be introduced but at the moment S21 is still a so-called no fault eviction

It's entirely different in Scotland.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 01/04/2024 09:08

the new tenants could be landlords relatives for all you know. not sure how that would be illegal eviction

mitogoshi · 01/04/2024 09:08

How do you know that the new tenants aren't family members of the landlord? Also you took over a year to move out? Usually you get 2 months, your landlord was more than fair.

Facetoothpain · 01/04/2024 09:19

Well that was a bit disappointing.... the story leading to the neighbour not telling you rather then them having moved in themselves/knocked through to make a bigger house when it turned out they owned it ect.

As for what happens its possible given that they gave you 12+ months that the landlord intended to move in but plans changed when you yourself couldn't find anywhere to live.

The landlords family may very well be living there

The landlord might have ended up privately selling it.

You just don't know & it's really none of your friends problem to upset or spy for you

Bedford85 · 01/04/2024 09:45

As a landlord myself, you were not evicted illegally. Yes it wasn’t ideal as you liked the property and were settled there but as long as the landlord has fulfilled all their legal obligations and given you the correct amount of notice they have acted in line with the eviction process.

They are well within their right to do what they want with their property after you have vacated. Most likely their circumstances changed. Believe it or not, not all landlords are bad people and out to get you.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 01/04/2024 09:48

thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 09:07

It's entirely different in Scotland.

I don’t really see the need to argue back and forth about Scotland when the OP hasn’t mentioned her location.

PansyOatZebra · 01/04/2024 09:49

I agree with everyone else. Your friend has done nothing wrong.

Also not really sure if what the landlord did was illegal?

Zodfa · 01/04/2024 09:49

If landlord has made a gain from this (financially or otherwise) then I believe this would be fraud according to the letter of the law - they have lied to you and made a gain as a result. But I expect you would struggle to convince the police to prosecute it.

thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 10:29

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 01/04/2024 09:48

I don’t really see the need to argue back and forth about Scotland when the OP hasn’t mentioned her location.

Exactly. So no one can know whether it was illegal or not as we don't know where she is. So it's impossible to say it wasn't an illegal eviction, as we just don't know.

lizzowhiz · 01/04/2024 10:36

@Poppiesanddaffodils

So your LL served notice (though presumably was very reasonable as you remained in the house for a year, which is far longer than the required period)
You then left because you found another property. You weren't evicted.

You're now angry with your former neighbour because..... why? Hmm

This seems like a total non story. Unless you're going to return to the thread with some massive drip feed.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 01/04/2024 10:42

I think it's a positive thing that she doesn't want to stir up pointless drama. You found a new place and have settled in...why would she disrupt things?

Pinkdelight3 · 01/04/2024 11:21

TheYearOfSmallThings · 01/04/2024 10:42

I think it's a positive thing that she doesn't want to stir up pointless drama. You found a new place and have settled in...why would she disrupt things?

Exactly. It would be a shitty thing for a friend to say - "oh guess what? the LL didn't move back in, they relet it to new renters, so you went through all that hell for no good reason. maybe the landlord doesn't like you or something." What could possibly be the benefit in her telling you, if it's even crossed her mind? I think she's been a good friend and is sparing your feelings. She isn't there to be a conduit for gossip about the new residents.

As for the illegal eviction, it obviously depends on where in the UK (or world!) you live, but I'd say it's best to move on and not fixate on this place any more.

TheSnowyOwl · 01/04/2024 11:28

It depends where you live and how you were served an eviction notice but if done correctly, the landlord is under no obligation to move in and is entitled to let to someone else. It could be you weren’t the ideal tenants you thought (it’s not just about paying rent on time) or it could be a family member needed a home and it’s being rented to them.

As for your ex-neighbour, they probably don’t want to unnecessarily upset you by telling you it has been rented out to somebody else. Possibly they haven’t even spoken to the new people there and assume they are the landlords. I think you anger is very misdirected and misplaced here.

Unfortunately a lack of stability with rental properties is a reality and something you need to accept.

caringcarer · 01/04/2024 11:29

CheeryPye · 31/03/2024 21:50

You can't sue the landlord for illegal eviction because there was no illegal eviction. You were just served notice. Seriously, move on.

This. If you were issued a Section 21 it doesn't matter why you were asked to leave. The LL does not have to give the court a reason. Just give you 2 months notice. Did you get 2 month's notice? If you did it's not an illegal eviction.

thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 13:54

caringcarer · 01/04/2024 11:29

This. If you were issued a Section 21 it doesn't matter why you were asked to leave. The LL does not have to give the court a reason. Just give you 2 months notice. Did you get 2 month's notice? If you did it's not an illegal eviction.

Unless she's in Scotland. No one can know if it's legal or not as we don't know where she is. But I think the legality or otherwise isn't really the main focus of her post.

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 01/04/2024 13:57

lizzowhiz · 01/04/2024 10:36

@Poppiesanddaffodils

So your LL served notice (though presumably was very reasonable as you remained in the house for a year, which is far longer than the required period)
You then left because you found another property. You weren't evicted.

You're now angry with your former neighbour because..... why? Hmm

This seems like a total non story. Unless you're going to return to the thread with some massive drip feed.

This is how I’m reading the situation.

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 01/04/2024 13:58

caringcarer · 01/04/2024 11:29

This. If you were issued a Section 21 it doesn't matter why you were asked to leave. The LL does not have to give the court a reason. Just give you 2 months notice. Did you get 2 month's notice? If you did it's not an illegal eviction.

Seeing as they remained in the property for at least a year subsequently, I’d say it was probably fine.

Pinkbonbon · 01/04/2024 14:09

A landlord gave you a whole YEARS notice! That's ages!

It's none of your buisness if they moved in themselves or another tenant moved in! It's THEIR flat!

The brass neck of you!

Also, maybe your friend is trying not to hurt your feelings!

You're being ridiculous. I bet you annoyed the fuck out of your landlord with stuff so that's why they booted you. You're acting like a child who's been told 'no' and can't handle it.

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 01/04/2024 14:22

Pinkbonbon · 01/04/2024 14:09

A landlord gave you a whole YEARS notice! That's ages!

It's none of your buisness if they moved in themselves or another tenant moved in! It's THEIR flat!

The brass neck of you!

Also, maybe your friend is trying not to hurt your feelings!

You're being ridiculous. I bet you annoyed the fuck out of your landlord with stuff so that's why they booted you. You're acting like a child who's been told 'no' and can't handle it.

Easy tiger!

Pinkbonbon · 01/04/2024 14:41

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 01/04/2024 14:22

Easy tiger!

I'm already going easy.

It's people like op that make landlords extra harsh on their tenants. They realise that when they try to be decent and give a whole years notice, the tennants think they are a soft touch that they can take to court!

Rental markets already shot to shit. If you have a decent landlord, be decent to them.

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