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Friend withheld important information from me..illegally evicted.. Feel so hurt

96 replies

Poppiesanddaffodils · 31/03/2024 21:07

Wonder if anyone might offer their opinion on this situation please. Please bear with me. I will get to the point. I was living with my young family and husband in rented accommodation beside a neighbour for about 6 years. During this time my neighbour became what I considered a friend. She often arrived at my door unannounced, text me, sent me photos, arranged to meet up and we often attended events together. I struggle to trust others but felt that this lady was honest and kind and I felt that I could confide in her over a number of things. She also confided in me about different things.

About 18 months ago, our landlord said that they were moving back into our rental property and gave us notice to leave our rental on this basis. My husband and I sought to buy and find alternative rental properties in the area and searched daily for over a year. We were almost on the verge of registering as homeless when at the final moment before our notice ran out, we found another property.

During this time, my neighbour ie. this lady would often text me and call to me to enquire about whether we had found anywhere to move to. She knew the enormous stress that we were under and the difficulties we were facing as there is a huge shortage of accommodation in our area. I cried to her on occasion as the pressure was too much and I was dealing with a long term illness too amongst other things that I'd prefer not to say here.

When we moved out a few months ago, we promised to stay in touch and meet up when things had settled.

We have since found out from another neighbour who we bumped into purely by accident and who we didn't know too well that our former rental property is now being rented to another person (it was RE rented 1 month after we left) and our landlords did not move back in.

We were excellent tenants and had paid our rent on time and in full so it's very hard to hear that it now looks like we have been subject to an illegal eviction by our landlord which we will deal with separately.

What hurts the most though is that this lady who I considered my friend lives next door to our former rental house and has yet to tell me that the house is now rented to someone else. We had been texting frequently over the past few months since we moved out and in my last text to her I asked her out straight if our landlords had moved in yet. She replied to everything else in my text but not to this question which I found do strange as she is normally quite precise with her replies. I am starting to feel very suspicious now. I do not know why she is reluctant to share this information with me. It would be perfectly obvious to her that someone else was living at our old address and indeed 8 expressed concerns with her at one stage that I really hoped the landlords were not lying to us and evicting us under false pretences.

We could sue the landlord for an illegal eviction but what hurts so much is that she knew the hell we had been through trying to find another home for our young children and seems to have chosen not to share information with us that we have been evicted under false pretences. I'd understand if she was someone who kept too herself but the fact that she was active in pursuing a friendship with me (or so I thought) and constantly asking me to meet up with her etc. My husband says not to let it bother me and go let it go as she wasn't a true friend and I only had coffee with her a few times a year.. but I think I valued her friendship more than she did mine and I feel sick to think that she is withholding information from me now. I know that if she was in the same position I'd certainly have told her. Please be kind in sharing your views but I'd appreciate your honesty also on if you think I'm overreacting. Thank you.

OP posts:
DorisDoesDoncaster · 31/03/2024 23:42

Wow. I feel sorry for your former neighbour.

YireosDodeAver · 31/03/2024 23:53

Sorry but you were not illegally evicted. You left the property voluntarily.

A legal eviction goes like this - the landlord gives you the proper notice as laid out in your contract that they intend to seek possession of the property. When that notice expires they can apply to the court for an eviction order and await court date. When that date arrives (perhaps months later) the court checks that all procedures have been followed correctly and they grant an eviction order. If you leave before that happens you are leaving voluntarily. At that point you are obliged to leave and if you don't the landlord may appoint bailiffs to physically remove you and your possessions from their property.

An illegal eviction is if the landlord or anyone acting on their behalf removes you and your possessions from the property or eg change the locks excluding you from the property without a court order. This is not what happened.

I can appreciate that you are annoyed your friend didn't tell you what happened but it wasn't their responsibility to do so.

WhatWasThatYouSaid · 01/04/2024 00:03

In Scotland you can only give notice to quit in certain circumstances. Examples would be if you are selling the property or moving in yourself. You can’t give notice to quit simply because you want to rent the property to someone else.

Bournetilly · 01/04/2024 00:29

I thought you was going to say your friend moved into the property!

She probably didn’t tell you because she didn’t want to cause further upset and she knew you had now found somewhere / moved in. I doubt she was doing this to upset you, she was trying to be nice. Also it’s not her fault.

thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 00:30

CheeryPye · 31/03/2024 21:50

You can't sue the landlord for illegal eviction because there was no illegal eviction. You were just served notice. Seriously, move on.

Unless she's in Scotland, in which case it is illegal and there are only a limited number of grounds for eviction.

BronzeAge · 01/04/2024 00:43

Honestly, OP, the fact that you are vehemently blaming a completely blameless person for something that has nothing to do with her explains exactly why she chose to keep schtum about your former landlords re-renting your former house.

What difference does it make now, anyway? Are you actually going to invest time, money and mental energy on suing them? You’re behaving as if your friend kept a key bit of evidence from you that would have changed everything, rather than choosing to keep out of something that was clearly going to evoke fury from you, and which was a fair accompli.

Its crap when this happens, OP, but I think it’s happened to the majority of us at least once, that a landlord ‘moving back in’ suddenly re-rents at a higher rent.

Apolloneuro · 01/04/2024 00:48

Maybe the neighbour thinks it’s a family member of the owner living there, so it sort of is like the owner has moved in?

RoseBucket · 01/04/2024 00:56

You stayed for a year after notice! Maybe the landlord had to also find alternative accommodation! It’s not your neighbours fault, you leaned on her for all that time I’m not surprised she didn’t tell you.

DSD9472 · 01/04/2024 01:13

I was assuming the twist was that the neighbour/friend is actually the LL! Nope!

Your friend might not even know if the new neighbour IS the LL, a relative of theirs or they sold the property and a completely new LL is now renting it out!!!

OP- you sounds very intense! Move on and enjoy your new place.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 01/04/2024 01:34

Massive overreaction from you. You have no idea if she’s even spoken to the new tenants. For all she knows, they are the owners of the house. The landlords could have changed their plans - it’s been 18 months since they first spoke to you about moving back into the property. Whatever the scenario, your ex-neighbour isn’t obliged to give you a daily bulletin.

Lavender14 · 01/04/2024 01:47

Sorry op but I'm not sure if I've misunderstood but your landlord gave you notice to quit and you then continued to live in the property for a further year until you found something else? Ive worked in housing but I'm not clear on why you feel that's an illegal eviction provided they gave you the notice in writing as per your contract?

This has clearly been incredibly stressful and emotive for you. I'd imagine your neighbour has been there, supporting you and listening to you about this but now that you've moved out my guess is they're hoping you'll also move on and be in a more positive place with things so they don't want to bring anything up that's going to open what they're seeing as old wounds.

Truthfully unless I'm missing something (which is very possible given this is only a snippet of what's happened) I can't see anything your landlords have done wrong and it sounds like you've been very affected by it and taken it very personally. They've done what they're entitled to do with the house they own, it sucks and created massive upheaval for you but it's an unfortunate aspect of renting that it happens. Maybe they wanted to increase the rent significantly, maybe they had a family situation and needed to move in a son or daughter or extended family or try to help out a friend or maybe they'd intended to move in but their situation changed and then they didn't need to or couldn't sell their current house. You'll probably never know.

Hopefully you'll be more secure in your new home and can enjoy this new chapter and shut the door on the other one. Citizens advice will be able to tell you if an illegal eviction has taken place or not so I'd touch base with them maybe for your own clarification. I'd be leaving your friend out of it, I agree with others you're misdirecting your frustration onto her.

k1233 · 01/04/2024 02:14

Like others I thought you were going to say the neighbour turned out to be your landlord and had only befriended you to keep an eye on the property.

I got kicked out of a great rental once, so the landlord's daughter could move in. I never understood why she couldn't move into the empty main house - I was in the granny flat. It wasn't my house, so I really had no say.

MiltonNorthern · 01/04/2024 03:34

thecatneuterer · 01/04/2024 00:30

Unless she's in Scotland, in which case it is illegal and there are only a limited number of grounds for eviction.

But she wasn't evicted. She left voluntarily.

HoppingPavlova · 01/04/2024 03:34

It’s got zero to do with the neighbour. She doesn’t need to run to you with all happenings, and it shouldn’t be expected.

Who knows with the landlord? Was it advertised for rent or not? If not, it may be the landlords kids or sister or brother in there. Just concentrate on moving forward or you will waste energy (as you are already doing obsessing over the poor neighbour who is really innocent in all this).

EcstaticMarmalade · 01/04/2024 03:46

Another voice saying that the law is different in Scotland and that telling a tenant you intended to move back in but then didn’t would likely make you run afoul of the law here.

MiltonNorthern · 01/04/2024 03:51

EcstaticMarmalade · 01/04/2024 03:46

Another voice saying that the law is different in Scotland and that telling a tenant you intended to move back in but then didn’t would likely make you run afoul of the law here.

Even if the tenant left voluntarily without being evicted?

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 01/04/2024 04:00

Your title and OP sounds like you're conflating the two issues in your mind and assigning the justifiable anger and hurt over the illegal eviction onto your friend. She's not responsible for what happened and may well have chosen not to tell you because she was worried about hurting you or worried about how you'd react. Emotions and friendship are complex and what feels like a betrayal to you may make perfect sense and be your friend trying to protect you. Its not black and white. Its your choice, but I wouldn't let this get in the way of a good friendship.

EcstaticMarmalade · 01/04/2024 04:04

MiltonNorthern · 01/04/2024 03:51

Even if the tenant left voluntarily without being evicted?

It’s about in which circumstances you are able to give notice. There are specific grounds for giving notice which are acceptable. To rent it out to someone else isn’t one of them.

https://www.mygov.scot/tell-your-tenant-they-need-to-leave

So in these circumstances they didn’t “leave voluntarily”. What I think you mean by that would only really be satisfied by the tenant saying “ok, we’re moving” to the landlord.

There’s a lot more protection for tenants here. Every tenancy is just rolls on now by default, and people can only be given notice to leave in certain circumstances.

There have been some attempts to circumvent this by renting out properties air bnb style rather than through proper tenancies, especially in the student market. But that style of letting now needs a licence from the local council so that’s being closed down as a way to deny people’s rights.

Tell your tenant they need to leave

Use this notice if you have a private residential tenancy with your tenant and you want them to leave your property.

https://www.mygov.scot/tell-your-tenant-they-need-to-leave

wherearemywellingtons · 01/04/2024 05:22

You're being so unreasonable! Your friend has done nothing wrong! She doesn’t want to be the bearer of bad news, that’s all. You’re expecting her to put herself into a really uncomfortable situation by having to break bad news to you and for what?! I don’t really think you can sue the landlord for misleading you about why you needed to move out. I get that this was stressful but I think you’re overreacted and blaming your friend who has done nothing wrong is crazy.

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 01/04/2024 05:36

IDontHateRainbows · 31/03/2024 21:18

I think you are directing your anger at the wrong person

100% - this. She may have felt in a bind that she knew this information and was unsure how to tell you. Also not her responsibility really to tell you - she’s not really involved. Deal with the landlord but cut your friend some slack

Yoe · 01/04/2024 05:44

Just looking at this from another angle could the new tenants be family members of the landlord ? That maybe something the friend who told u did not know .

TBH I wouldn’t end ur friendship over who has moved into a house you once rented and your friend may not have a clue who they are anyway so can’t update you .
sounds like you had huge stress recently so go gentle on yourself and take a bit of time to recover it’s no joke if you live in areas with housing crisis and reply on a sparse rental market

Londonnight · 01/04/2024 06:16

If you were served proper notice with a section 21, then it isn't an illegal eviction. Section 21 is a no fault eviction. It is what landlords have to use use to get their house back. It's very annoying when this happens, but it isn't illegal.

I had a section 21 a few years ago because my landlord was selling. I moved out and new tenants moved in. This was because at the time the house wasn't selling. Perhaps this is what happened to your previous home.

Also, your friend has done nothing wrong.

PickledPurplePickle · 01/04/2024 06:21

Your neighbour has done nothing wrong, if anything it sounds like she is protecting your from more upset by not telling you

Also if your landlord has given you the correct notice, etc then it’s not an illegal eviction. Their reason for asking you to leave is not relevant

You Need to deal with your anger about this and
move on, it’s life unfortunately

bombastix · 01/04/2024 08:16

I would let this go. Your neighbour did not want to hurt your feelings so she made non committal replies or was less precise.

Move on. Your husband is right. Do not dwell on this, however unfair it was. It sounds very hard on you

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 01/04/2024 09:05

Are you quite sure this ‘eviction’ was illegal?