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I've been doing the "pick me dance" for 30 years

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ThePickMeDance · 13/03/2024 16:33

I've come to the conclusion that I have been doing the "pick me" dance for the past 30 years of my relationship with my DH and I am tired, just so very tired and weary of it. The problem I am trying to work out, is that, is it me, in my head, or is it actually him?

My DH is a good looking, intelligent man, and he has a successful job. From the moment I met him, early 20's, I had other girls trying to get off with him, even in front of me. I lost a couple of friends over it. Here is where the "pick me" dance started.

Since the day dot, I have never felt "really loved, cherished, appreciated, beautiful, slim, intelligent, funny, a great cook, insert other achievement...." because he doesn't say any of these things to me, unless pushed, and it then sounds insincere. I am all these things and more though, because other people compliment me, on me. I don't think my DH loves anyone as much as he loves himself. He loves our DC, but I think he most likes the bits he gave them. He also compares me to other women. I was a SAHM for a few years whilst he travelled and jet propelled up the corporate ladder, and apparently other women in his office juggle 3 DC, whilst making deals, make dinner from scratch, and get to go down the gym and look fantastic. Why can't I?

During our long term marriage, we have had a few wobbles. Mostly him pondering whether he wants to be married to me or not. He once told me "Do you think if we didn't have kids, we'd be together?" Again, I did the "pick me" dance. I think I even said to him "you know you could do worse than me you know. Other people think I am attractive, intelligent and funny". I feel like I am selling myself in an interview. Please give me the job!

Sometimes I actually do think that my DH would be better off with someone else. Perhaps he would be happier with a 36 year old MA Grad with a 100K job, who looks like Sharon Stone back in the day. I also think that maybe I would be happier too, with someone more simple. Someone who comes in from their construction job and asks me if I want a cup of tea, and someone who tells me "bloody hell, you look gorgeous in that dress", even though I don't.

What tipped me over the edge this week was an incident I witnessed. I don't want to out myself so I am generalising a bit. DH and I are clients of someone, a woman, and we met her recently. She started to say something to my DH about thanks for the info (not business related, but WRT an interest of his). She was laughing and joking with my DH and he was doing it back. I thought she was being really flirty, and him too. At one point she leaned into him, and just kind of tapped him with her elbow. I was f*cking standing there. I felt like I was intruding. Anyway we left and I was sitting in the car and it dawned on me that they have been either messaging or emailing about this interest. On it's own it is nothing, but with the flirting and mild elbow dig it felt like the buds of something. If I mentioned it, he would think I am nuts. And TBH, clearly I am going nuts. Also, what upset me was that he doesn't act like that with me. I felt like that poor woman off MAFS Australia, when she came into the room with Collins and everyone is smooching and she thinks "why not me".

Today I am upset. As started, I feel like I am constantly doing the "pick me" dance. Who cares about my happiness? Answers on a postcard please. I'm tired. I am honestly sitting here thinking, what if my DH starts an affair, and TBH the answer is, "if he does, maybe he will be doing me a favour and I no longer have to do this dance".

I know that some of you are going to lambast me for staying and taking this, but I am not sure if he is the problem, or the situation, or I just have no self esteem and this is the problem. Also, I don't want to upset my DC, obviously.

OP posts:
RosesAndHellebores · 13/03/2024 18:13

It's a difficult one @ThePickMeDance. Similarly my DH is relatively handsome, very successful, very well respected professionally. He rarely bestows grand compliments and is more than capable of saying "you need to do some tummy tucks" or "you look a bit tired". But he doesn't flirt, undermine me or generally make me feel like shit or make me feel I have to stay on my toes to keep him. We have been together for more than 30 years.

What are you getting out of the relationship? Is it worth staying?

I'm guessing you are early to mod 50s. What do you want for the next 30+ years? Could you be contented making your own life and on your own. A loving companion cannot be guaranteed but may happen along but only I suspect if you are independently happy.

Epidote · 13/03/2024 18:16

OP as you have said you are an expert dancer after 30 years, why you don't start to dance your own tune?

catscatscurrantscurrants · 13/03/2024 18:45

To answer your questions at the end: your husband is the problem. You have been on the begging end of love for 30 years because it suits him to keep you there.

Uricon2 · 13/03/2024 19:03

ThePickMeDance · 13/03/2024 18:06

Perhaps you feel like leaving means admitting you weren't enough

Yes, I do feel this way.

Shouldn't that be leaving because he wasn't enough, because making you miserable and insecure for decades is not "enough" from a partner, is it?

propropro · 13/03/2024 19:06

Why are you with this man? What's the point! Find someone who loves and genuinely thinks you are great!

Summerhillsquare · 13/03/2024 19:08

I remember when I realised I loved my exH more than he loved me. For a long time I thought we were equally enamoured. I do wonder in how many relationships thats the case though. Once houses and money and kids etc come into play the power struggle starts - who has more skin in the game? You obviously set a lot of store by social power (the appeal to others) so you could shore yourself up there. IDK if thats helpful, just musing.

Pinkbonbon · 13/03/2024 19:24

ThePickMeDance · 13/03/2024 18:06

Perhaps you feel like leaving means admitting you weren't enough

Yes, I do feel this way.

And that's the trap they use to try to tie you there. They get you stuck on a merry go round of trying to prove your value, your goodness, your worthiness, your loyalty.

When has he ever demonstrated his worth to you? It seems to me like his existence revolves around taking your self worth from you.

I promise you, once you get away and spend some time away, you look back on it like 'why was I ever concerned about being enough for a prat like him!'

You've said it yourself, it's only really himself that he is capable of loving. Even the kids... it's not them that he loves, it's just that they are an extention of him. Like an arm or a leg. And once they hit their teens and stop being so easy... they'll get the same treatment as you do. Being made to feel...not enough. Or worse, one treated well and the other treated like they are not enough, forever feeling compared. Like you to other women.

Set an example for your little ones. That we do not stay with people who are cold and unfeeling. Make a home away from him in which people are safe and loved and valued. Starting with you valuing yourself. Teach them thar we do not stay with unkind people.

Your worth is not dependant on any man's opinion of you. Nor is your children's. Do not think it, do not let them think it. Step off the merry go round.

I believe you can do it because you are strong. You have to be strong to survive years of being chipped away at by a heartless creature. Break your chains now, you can do it.

Rumblingthunder · 13/03/2024 19:28

He sounds like my ex. Never paid me a compliment- the nearest was that ‘you can actually be quite pretty when you smile’

Like you, I’d get compliments from others- never my XH.

I think the most difficult thing is there isn’t anything specific to pin your unhappiness on. It sound petty to say you’re leaving because your DH doesn’t give you compliments, but it grinds you down over time. It’s a form of gaslighting.

Yeahno · 13/03/2024 19:31

What if he has an affair? I think for him to be doing all that in front of you, he has probably had many affairs. He knows you are not going anywhere.

Watchkeys · 13/03/2024 19:33

he is the problem, or the situation, or I just have no self esteem and this is the problem

You're not happy, so that's the problem. If you're putting it down to being 'just you', then you are essentially saying that you having preferences is the problem.

This doesn't need explaining. You don't need to say 'I'm unhappy because...' You just need to say 'I'm unhappy.' He's not changing, so if you don't like the way he treats you, you won't be happy. What you're asking is like asking 'I don't like broccoli... am I the problem?' Well, yes, your taste in broccoli is causing you an issue. But what difference does that make? Would you make yourself keep eating it, because your preference was somehow 'at fault', or just avoid it anyway?

nononocontact · 13/03/2024 19:34

You say he doesn’t compliment you and other people do…but really the only opinion that matters is your own!

You need to invest in yourself (whether it’s therapy/a hobby/a blow dry/whatever) and start to see yourself for all you are. When you do that it won’t matter what he thinks because you will be sure of your own worth. The “pick me” dance will stop (as you are the only one who can stop it!) because you will no longer feel the need to be picked.

Foxblue · 13/03/2024 19:38

Another way to look at this is, that children model what they see at home - is this what you want your children to model or put up with?
Also, it sounds like you were a SAHM to support HIS CAREER by looking after HIS CHILDREN, so the man's got some REAL AUDACITY to compare you to anyone else.
I just think you deserve to feel secure and loved - it's okay to just be unhappy - you don't actually have to have some big solid reason to leave, the fact you aren't happy is enough, and don't let anyone tell you that because there's children involved it's different - it isn't, and any child who grew up with parents who stayed together for their sake will tell you they'd have preferred their parent be happy.
You have written this very well - and I get the feeling your husband wouldn't care, which is also a big part of the problem.

Loubelle70 · 13/03/2024 19:46

Pinkbonbon · 13/03/2024 19:24

And that's the trap they use to try to tie you there. They get you stuck on a merry go round of trying to prove your value, your goodness, your worthiness, your loyalty.

When has he ever demonstrated his worth to you? It seems to me like his existence revolves around taking your self worth from you.

I promise you, once you get away and spend some time away, you look back on it like 'why was I ever concerned about being enough for a prat like him!'

You've said it yourself, it's only really himself that he is capable of loving. Even the kids... it's not them that he loves, it's just that they are an extention of him. Like an arm or a leg. And once they hit their teens and stop being so easy... they'll get the same treatment as you do. Being made to feel...not enough. Or worse, one treated well and the other treated like they are not enough, forever feeling compared. Like you to other women.

Set an example for your little ones. That we do not stay with people who are cold and unfeeling. Make a home away from him in which people are safe and loved and valued. Starting with you valuing yourself. Teach them thar we do not stay with unkind people.

Your worth is not dependant on any man's opinion of you. Nor is your children's. Do not think it, do not let them think it. Step off the merry go round.

I believe you can do it because you are strong. You have to be strong to survive years of being chipped away at by a heartless creature. Break your chains now, you can do it.

Edited

Absolutely. I hope OP takes these comments on board and does something about situation

ChanelNo19EDT · 13/03/2024 19:51

It sounds tiring. Not surprised you have had enough of this feeling. That's what it's all about. Focus on how he makes you feel. In a race you have to re-enterever morning?

reservoirdawg · 13/03/2024 20:11

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 13/03/2024 17:30

You don't have to do this anymore you know...you really don't. You can leave, and let him get all the flirtation he wants elsewhere. How old are your kids? Maybe start planning your future without him.

This. I’d be off to find a shl
Dont settle for someone who doesn’t adore you.

citrinetrilogy · 13/03/2024 20:15

ThePickMeDance · 13/03/2024 18:06

Perhaps you feel like leaving means admitting you weren't enough

Yes, I do feel this way.

Maybe all along it's been the other way round, and he wasn't good enough for you.

2024horizons · 13/03/2024 20:18

My tuppence is stop the pick me dance. Its done. You did it. But make a pact never to do it again. Always be true to your feelings. If you are pissed you have to honour that and communicate that to your partner.

How I see this is that a mans desire, or need to be desired, or stupid comments like (one example I received) 'I could never have sex with someone fat' - says nothing about me, it says everything about his own issues, insecurities and how he feels about his status in life. This is deep insecurity covered over and I hope one day this person works on himself enough to see things in a deeper way.

At the end of the day we are ALL getting older and wrinkly and such like. What matters is that you're good and kind. What matters is that you love your body for what it can do not what it looks like or how it serves others. Yes attraction matters but true connection transcends the physical.

coxesorangepippin · 13/03/2024 20:21

I don't have any constructive advice, but man can you write!

Very funny and engaging. Sorry if this sounds trite, it's not meant to

Geebray · 13/03/2024 20:30

You could have a bit of fun with this, OP. You could create your own interests outside the home, start to have your own life more. Grow into your skin a bit.

Make him wonder what you are up to. Why you suddenly have a bit of a glow about you.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 13/03/2024 20:36

OP, You write very well! Use your skills to boost your self esteem.

cooldarkroom · 13/03/2024 20:38

My God he treats you like a rag, you are non existant, other than for services rendered.
How f-ing dare he (and she) openly flirt with you in the room?
I feel like next time. You should say,
"Hello, its me here in the room, you know, his wife"
Or Shall I leave the room ?"
Or "Did he introduce me ? his wife is actually in the room."
Or simply, "you are behaving totally inappropriately".
Who cares what he says... as you say you done playing the pick me game

Loubelle70 · 13/03/2024 20:48

citrinetrilogy · 13/03/2024 20:15

Maybe all along it's been the other way round, and he wasn't good enough for you.

100% bang on

SomersetTart · 13/03/2024 20:49

You sound bloody wonderful OP, articulate, clever, funny, well loved by others... you deserve better than this.
For 30 years he's proved himself incapable of love and a right selfish bastard with it. This is not in your head.
Do not waste any more of your valuable, precious time on this man.

Lavenderandbrown · 13/03/2024 21:56

Stop dancing and see how the relationship evolves. His success is underpinned by you…30 yrs of your support. Stop seeking his admiration and admire yourself…your intelligence creativity capability competency appearance and physical health. Enrich your life not by seeking his approval but seeking your own. My abusive EH never complimented me. NEVER. After him a guy I dated had me deeply entrenched in a pick me dance. This guy once said to me…I have you on your heels. I got rid of him too. And honestly neither of those twats are doing much these days and I’m still pretty damn special.

titchy · 13/03/2024 22:03

Agree with others - if you do separate, it won't be because you weren't good enough. It'll be because you deserved better. Try and reframe your thinking a bit. You are not less worthy or deserving than him.

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