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Hate my husband but can't afford to separate

233 replies

Namechangedforobvious · 11/03/2024 10:15

Where to begin with this one.

Married 10 years, together 20. 2 kids. He was my first real boyfriend. Fell in love with him because he was funny, the life and soul of the party. We used to go out partying until the early hours of the morning, we'd host great gatherings for our mates, being young was super fun. For various reasons I was also a bit adrift when we got together (after all I was still a teenager) and he offered a lot of stability. We finished uni and he got a great job, encouraged me to do the same so that we'd have money and adventures together. I didn't really want a top paid corporate job, I wanted to do something in the arts but nothing paid well enough for the lifestyle he wanted so I got a job in finance for the money and figured it was OK to trade off my dreams as we'd have other dreams together. So far so good. And we did have a good time together for a long time.

Things started to go wrong around the time we got married. We were also buying a house and the stability he offered started to morph into being very controlling about everything, particularly money. He diverted my salary into his bank account (I KNOW it's stupid but we were getting married anyway and it was easier not to fight) and was always on at me to earn more, pay more as we needed more money for the house and wedding. Then as soon as we were married, he was on to the next thing.

He wanted to start a family (even though we'd agreed for years we didn't want children as there is a serious genetic condition in my family I didn't want to pass on). So we fought about that. And then he wanted a new house, and wanted to renovate, which we did. Except that we'd agreed a budget which he blew (it was very much his project and he didn't want me involved... at this point I was still pretty young, in my 20s, so again I let it slide) so it cost twice what we'd had set aside. Again, more pressure on me to work longer hours and haggle for promotions and bonuses (which I did), more arguments about money, and the first of many remortgages to free up cash.

As soon as house finished we're back onto him wanting a family. I gave in and we had two children. The eldest did inherit the genetic condition which has obviously consumed a huge amount of energy for us both now for years. He blames me for this as obviously the genes come from my side. I adore the kids but having seen various family members and the strain of variously living with this condition and parenting children with the condition, it's hard and wears you down. During this time my career has continued to progress, whilst his has stalled. He's angry and bitter about this. Always making nasty sarcastic comments. He continues to manage all of the money in the house, and we as a family continue to pursue a lifestyle we candidly can't afford with the non-disabled child in private school, best possible therapists for disabled child etc. Our mortgage is even bigger than it was 10 years ago as we've continued remortgaging every few years to free up money for life.

In the meantime, his being funny has rotted with old age into him just being sarcastic and unpleasant. Him being safe has turned into being bullying and domineering. The friends we used to throw parties for have all disappeared. No one wants to be around him any more as he makes obnoxious and offensive comments. I have a lot of friends, but just see them alone. No one wants to be around him and the husbands / partners don't like him. Where I have made friends who initially try and include him he makes excuses and always has an excuse not to want to be friends. He says they're annoying or aren't on our level. My family hate him. If I want to see my parents I have to do so alone, he never comes (he says their house is too shabby and he doesn't like visiting). He won't be in the same room as my siblings (who I adore and am very very close to). If I visit extended family he also won't come as he says he gets left out because they're more interested in talking to me than him.

He has a vile temper and yells and screams at the children. He calls them idiots. He calls me a c*nt in front of them. He's only happy if we're all on our best behaviour and ideally when I proactively think of everything he might like - cook his favourite meals, make sure kids are on best behaviour, house is tidy, and ideally take them out alone on the weekends so he can have a break. Noting that I work longer hours than him as am more senior in my job so I have to do all of this on top of working 50 hours a week so that he can lie around and scroll on his phone. If I ask him to do anything around the house he loses his temper. I never ask him to take the kids to give me a break as I know he gets angry and yells at them.

Where is this all going as a post (to anyone who has read this far). I just feel so trapped.

I work full time and am lucky enough to be very very well paid. But I do not have a penny of savings or anything to show for it.

The house is heavily mortgaged. With the equity in the house we could afford to sell and each my husband and I could afford maybe a tiny flat in our area we live in London. Obviously moving would be really hard for the kids.

Then there's the issue of childcare. My eldest needs specialist care which we've previously done through having live-in nannies (live out waaaay expensive megabucks and with working hours we need someone around all through school holidays etc). And I couldn't afford to get a place which was big enough for me, 2 kids and a nanny. BUT I also couldn't afford a live out nanny with the specialist skills required (as a benchmark c.£35k a year live in... JUST affordable, £60k a year to live out).

We could move out of London to get a bigger place but my job is tied to London, as are some of the specialist facilities my eldest needs (he attends a special school of which there are only a handful in the country of this profile).

I could get a new job with the hours to be able to do childcare myself but I don't know what job would enable me to work 10-3 each day (no after school clubs for disabled child) and have 20 weeks off a year for school holidays and pay even enough to be able to feed us, let alone pay for housing, council tax etc. A million percent nothing in my sector that's for sure.

I feel so stuck.

What am I looking for by writing all of this? I suppose just to get it off my chest. Anyone else got through a similar experience? I want out of this marriage so badly. I don't want my kids exposed to their father's angry domineering behaviour. I want them to have the experience of seeing what a healthy relationship can look like. I want them to see a happy mother. My youngest each day begs us to stop arguing. He draws pictures of his dad with an angry face, and also has adopted his father's awful mood swings, he goes from smiling and happy to hitting me and telling me he hates me.

It's all such a mess.

OP posts:
Zanatdy · 12/03/2024 06:19

I guess OP you have 2 choices. Leave and buy a flat and take one child out of private school. But you can’t have live in childcare then unless you can stretch to a house on the outskirts of London - commutable. Where I live CR3 is cheaper than central london. Or you stay until kids are done with school. But the damage to them will be done. I grew up with arguing parents and it’s damaged me for life, I struggle with relationships as I can’t stand coming home and not knowing what mood someone will be in

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 07:50

ladykale · 11/03/2024 22:40

OP you haven't responded to suggestions re: getting your salary paid into your own account. That's something that you can do literally from next pay roll.

The situation isn't as dire as it could be if you have a high salary. The only problem will be if he asks for 50/50 custody and you have to pay child maintenance to him, but speak to a family solicitor asap.

The child who is not disabled doesn't need to be in private school.

If you are in a high paid job surely you can pay someone £16-18ph to do drop offs and pick ups from 3pm? Confused as to why this wouldn't be possible.

Living in a 3 bedroom ground floor flat in a slightly less desirable and cheaper area sounds more attractive than your current set up!

Divorce him asap, and at least you will have full control over your own money!

I could definitely pay someone £16 to £18 an hour to do drop offs and pick ups if such a thing existed! In my part of London it’s not possible to live on £80 a day so the only people looking for these types of jobs tend to be people looking for a stopgap. I’ve been looking for 3 years now for this type of arrangement, as believe it or not paying a full time nanny isn’t my preference. Also remember anyone who is alone with my disabled kid needs specialist skills. The people who have these skills can and do command high salaries and don’t take part time jobs.

I have had this discussion with my MIL sooo many times who is convinced there must be a childcare solution if only i had the brains to find it.

You can only take my word for it that out of my disabled child’s special needs school I am the only mother that works. The only one.

OP posts:
HesterPrincess · 12/03/2024 08:03

I think you need to tackle the financial angle first. I would talk to some charities about financial abuse and see how you can put a slow and steady stop to him draining your salary. Get your name taken off any joint credit cards/loans and make a savings account online. Even if you can put £100 a month into it, it'll slowly build and call it your escape fund. It may take you years but you'll grow in confidence as the money grows.

And in the nicest way, you need to start saying No to him, he's walking all over you because in the past you've let him. Of course he's going to kick back, but tough shit for him.

Lovelyview · 12/03/2024 08:38

@Namechangedforobvious I think you are amazing. I'm glad some suggestions are helping you to get a strategy together. I agree with a previous poster that you have to ask for help everywhere. While none of the mothers at your child's specialist school work there will be working single mothers with kids with severe special needs in the world. Could you start another thread on Mumsnet on this particular issue or find out if there are some support groups local to you?

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 08:48

Hi everyone, thanks to all who have taken time to reply, even those of you who have been less than sensitive in your responses. I'm going to assume you're trying to give some tough love 😉. Loads of helpful advice and points. I haven't had time to reply to everything but I know there were a few elements left unanswered and some people have followed the thread and might want to know what I have taken on board.

In no particular order:

  • Thanks for the straight-talking about non-disabled child's private schooling. Yesterday after reading this thread I've put him on the list for a nice local comprehensive. You're right, needs must. He doesn't need private school, and wanting the best for him also extends to having strong positive relationship role models.
  • The advice on women's aid is great. I'll speak to them.
  • Also thanks to those legal brains who have pointed out it wouldn't necessarily be 50/50 with house. Really helpful to understand.
  • I also agree I'm seeing the whole picture and getting overwhelmed. A few people have suggested breaking things into chunks and doing one step at a time. I've started looking at smaller rentals in the area we could just move to, to force the sale of the house. You're right, it wouldn't be forever. Yes the kids will be sad but it will be for the best. We can manage in a rental for 6-12 months whilst the house gets sold.

Some things about our financial situation which kept coming up which were vague in my original post, so I'll clarify:

  • My salary no longer goes to his account (I didn't tie up that loose end in the original post, sorry) BUT I just transfer it all to his account each month anyway as there are so many bills to pay. Any little I try and leave in my account goes for incidentals that he won't cover - things like the window cleaners, gifts for kids' mates birthday parties, clubs for non-disabled child, out of pocket expenses for disabled son's carer etc.
  • I'm still a bit stuck as to how I could just not transfer money to him at any point - as his salary can't cover mortgage and outgoings so then we'd be in real trouble as a family. Feels like I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I held back my salary and then the house was repossessed and the electricity cut off.
  • I'm 99.99% sure he isn't squirreling money away (though now questioning myself on this as he has done in the past). I do know what the big chunks of expenditure are, and have paperwork etc - I know what the mortgage is, what the household bills are, what school fees, childcare and therapies all cost. There's not much left collectively after these things so he couldn't be hiding much.
  • We do get DLA and other benefits, thanks all for asking. Though these all go into husband's account and I don't know how I'd go about diverting them as he'd fight me tooth and claw. One to check with women's aid.
  • We have a joint mortgage, the house is both ours. Though my understanding is if you're married it doesn't make a difference if the property is in one person's name anyway - it's considered a joint asset (on this point I did actually file for divorce a few years back and had legal advice at the time... a WHOLE other thread there). When I say things are in his name, the bills come from his account and all the paperwork is addressed to him so it's hard (not impossible) for me to unpick.

Other things that are less helpful / won't work for various reasons, just for those that are interested

  • Disabled son's SEN school is sacred. It took me 2 years and a court case to get him in, no way will I take him out. Yes I know people exist in other places in the country with kids with genetic disabilities but I did a ton of research and this is the best place for him.
  • My mates are not gazillionaires and none have space for us to go live with them for anything other than a night or two. Disabled son would be incredibly impactful for anyone to host for any length of time as he makes noises, doesn't sleep etc. None could front me cash to leave (again, London is megabucks expensive - looking at flats I'll need at least £5k as a deposit and that's before buying cheap furniture, bedding etc... though credit card can come in here). BUT they are my mates and are lovely and very supportive. Of course they'd be there for me if I left, but more in the emotional / drinking wine sense than anything really practical.
  • I am committed to London. I actually love it here and am happy to raise my kids here. I grew up in a city (in the North) and love City life, and my mates are a support even though they can't lend me money 😅. There's loads more here for a disabled kid than anywhere else in the country - even stuff like accessible public transport etc. If it weren't for my son's SEN school I would think more seriously about moving elsewhere, but as I said earlier, moving him is just a no-go. Even then, moving somewhere we didn't know anyone AND having to find a new job and properly start from scratch as well as looking after a kid with complex needs... you know what, I think I'm pretty awesome, but I'm not superwoman. That would break me. I think most of you who suggested things along these lines must know that you also wouldn't be able to do this. Some very very special people can, and I'm OK to admit I'm not one of them.
  • Family unfortunately I love to bits but cannot help me. Parents elderly, in bad health, skint (I come from a v poor background) and live far away. I see them maybe once a year max as they can't travel to us and travelling with disabled child is a nightmare. Siblings are wonderful, but brother has just had a baby, lives in a flat and has no money, and sister lives abroad.

^^Many of these things I smiled reading thinking if it was that simple I'd have done it already.

Another thing that's given me pause for thought on this thread is the stuff about abuse. I don't think of my husband as an abuser... more just a common-variety twat. The kind of guy who'll make a comment about the weight of a woman he doesn't know, or make mean comments about my brother's baby being ugly, or refer to our disabled son as a retard behind his back. The kind of guy who will short change a tradesman who comes round to do a job by claiming he doesn't have the right money even when he has the cash upstairs, but just so that he can 'win' by saving a fiver. Mean. Petty. I tend to think of abusers as just... worse than that somehow. I sort of hold out hope that if he met the 'right' woman who could somehow make him behave properly there's a sweet guy in there somewhere.

With regards the kids... it's tricky as they are generally really happy. They LOVE their dad. To them his behaviour is normal. Even some of the worse experiences they bounce back from quite quickly. This in itself is worrying of course, as I do know it's not normal. But even so, the idea of breaking their little hearts by taking them off their dad is just awful, even if I know long term they'd be better off.

And to anyone who is about to jump in with 'it's your own fault' I KNOW ok. I KNOW. I tried to express in my opening post how it's a slippery slope and we've become more and more tangled like chewing gum rubbed into hair and I don't know where to begin with untangling. Or like that thing they always read at weddings about Captain Corelli's Mandolin where the two trees grow into one tree, except in a bad scary way because I want to be one tree again!

Cheers again everyone x

OP posts:
Lovelyview · 12/03/2024 09:08

'He has a vile temper and yells and screams at the children. He calls them idiots. He calls me a c*nt in front of them. He's only happy if we're all on our best behaviour and ideally when I proactively think of everything he might like - cook his favourite meals, make sure kids are on best behaviour, house is tidy, and ideally take them out alone on the weekends so he can have a break.' This is abusive. He is an abuser.

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 09:12

Lovelyview · 12/03/2024 09:08

'He has a vile temper and yells and screams at the children. He calls them idiots. He calls me a c*nt in front of them. He's only happy if we're all on our best behaviour and ideally when I proactively think of everything he might like - cook his favourite meals, make sure kids are on best behaviour, house is tidy, and ideally take them out alone on the weekends so he can have a break.' This is abusive. He is an abuser.

Dumb question here but... I'm guessing other husbands aren't like that? He's been my only ever boyfriend so this to me I guess is normal. My dad is lovely I guess but definitely never lifted a finger round the house.

Sorry I sound like a child. Believe it or not in my profession I'm very competent.

OP posts:
VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 12/03/2024 09:16

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 08:48

Hi everyone, thanks to all who have taken time to reply, even those of you who have been less than sensitive in your responses. I'm going to assume you're trying to give some tough love 😉. Loads of helpful advice and points. I haven't had time to reply to everything but I know there were a few elements left unanswered and some people have followed the thread and might want to know what I have taken on board.

In no particular order:

  • Thanks for the straight-talking about non-disabled child's private schooling. Yesterday after reading this thread I've put him on the list for a nice local comprehensive. You're right, needs must. He doesn't need private school, and wanting the best for him also extends to having strong positive relationship role models.
  • The advice on women's aid is great. I'll speak to them.
  • Also thanks to those legal brains who have pointed out it wouldn't necessarily be 50/50 with house. Really helpful to understand.
  • I also agree I'm seeing the whole picture and getting overwhelmed. A few people have suggested breaking things into chunks and doing one step at a time. I've started looking at smaller rentals in the area we could just move to, to force the sale of the house. You're right, it wouldn't be forever. Yes the kids will be sad but it will be for the best. We can manage in a rental for 6-12 months whilst the house gets sold.

Some things about our financial situation which kept coming up which were vague in my original post, so I'll clarify:

  • My salary no longer goes to his account (I didn't tie up that loose end in the original post, sorry) BUT I just transfer it all to his account each month anyway as there are so many bills to pay. Any little I try and leave in my account goes for incidentals that he won't cover - things like the window cleaners, gifts for kids' mates birthday parties, clubs for non-disabled child, out of pocket expenses for disabled son's carer etc.
  • I'm still a bit stuck as to how I could just not transfer money to him at any point - as his salary can't cover mortgage and outgoings so then we'd be in real trouble as a family. Feels like I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I held back my salary and then the house was repossessed and the electricity cut off.
  • I'm 99.99% sure he isn't squirreling money away (though now questioning myself on this as he has done in the past). I do know what the big chunks of expenditure are, and have paperwork etc - I know what the mortgage is, what the household bills are, what school fees, childcare and therapies all cost. There's not much left collectively after these things so he couldn't be hiding much.
  • We do get DLA and other benefits, thanks all for asking. Though these all go into husband's account and I don't know how I'd go about diverting them as he'd fight me tooth and claw. One to check with women's aid.
  • We have a joint mortgage, the house is both ours. Though my understanding is if you're married it doesn't make a difference if the property is in one person's name anyway - it's considered a joint asset (on this point I did actually file for divorce a few years back and had legal advice at the time... a WHOLE other thread there). When I say things are in his name, the bills come from his account and all the paperwork is addressed to him so it's hard (not impossible) for me to unpick.

Other things that are less helpful / won't work for various reasons, just for those that are interested

  • Disabled son's SEN school is sacred. It took me 2 years and a court case to get him in, no way will I take him out. Yes I know people exist in other places in the country with kids with genetic disabilities but I did a ton of research and this is the best place for him.
  • My mates are not gazillionaires and none have space for us to go live with them for anything other than a night or two. Disabled son would be incredibly impactful for anyone to host for any length of time as he makes noises, doesn't sleep etc. None could front me cash to leave (again, London is megabucks expensive - looking at flats I'll need at least £5k as a deposit and that's before buying cheap furniture, bedding etc... though credit card can come in here). BUT they are my mates and are lovely and very supportive. Of course they'd be there for me if I left, but more in the emotional / drinking wine sense than anything really practical.
  • I am committed to London. I actually love it here and am happy to raise my kids here. I grew up in a city (in the North) and love City life, and my mates are a support even though they can't lend me money 😅. There's loads more here for a disabled kid than anywhere else in the country - even stuff like accessible public transport etc. If it weren't for my son's SEN school I would think more seriously about moving elsewhere, but as I said earlier, moving him is just a no-go. Even then, moving somewhere we didn't know anyone AND having to find a new job and properly start from scratch as well as looking after a kid with complex needs... you know what, I think I'm pretty awesome, but I'm not superwoman. That would break me. I think most of you who suggested things along these lines must know that you also wouldn't be able to do this. Some very very special people can, and I'm OK to admit I'm not one of them.
  • Family unfortunately I love to bits but cannot help me. Parents elderly, in bad health, skint (I come from a v poor background) and live far away. I see them maybe once a year max as they can't travel to us and travelling with disabled child is a nightmare. Siblings are wonderful, but brother has just had a baby, lives in a flat and has no money, and sister lives abroad.

^^Many of these things I smiled reading thinking if it was that simple I'd have done it already.

Another thing that's given me pause for thought on this thread is the stuff about abuse. I don't think of my husband as an abuser... more just a common-variety twat. The kind of guy who'll make a comment about the weight of a woman he doesn't know, or make mean comments about my brother's baby being ugly, or refer to our disabled son as a retard behind his back. The kind of guy who will short change a tradesman who comes round to do a job by claiming he doesn't have the right money even when he has the cash upstairs, but just so that he can 'win' by saving a fiver. Mean. Petty. I tend to think of abusers as just... worse than that somehow. I sort of hold out hope that if he met the 'right' woman who could somehow make him behave properly there's a sweet guy in there somewhere.

With regards the kids... it's tricky as they are generally really happy. They LOVE their dad. To them his behaviour is normal. Even some of the worse experiences they bounce back from quite quickly. This in itself is worrying of course, as I do know it's not normal. But even so, the idea of breaking their little hearts by taking them off their dad is just awful, even if I know long term they'd be better off.

And to anyone who is about to jump in with 'it's your own fault' I KNOW ok. I KNOW. I tried to express in my opening post how it's a slippery slope and we've become more and more tangled like chewing gum rubbed into hair and I don't know where to begin with untangling. Or like that thing they always read at weddings about Captain Corelli's Mandolin where the two trees grow into one tree, except in a bad scary way because I want to be one tree again!

Cheers again everyone x

I sort of hold out hope that if he met the 'right' woman who could somehow make him behave properly there's a sweet guy in there somewhere.

Read Women Who Love Too Much by Robin Norwood.

He stormed out for a week leaving you and DC with nothing to live on. You might not like the "A word" but that is financial abuse.

"the 'right' woman" to "make him behave properly"? He's a grown-ass adult and should be doing that already by himself! It is not women's jobs to train adult men.

RancidRuby · 12/03/2024 09:16

No other husbands are not like that, not good ones anyway. Please speak to Women's Aid as a matter of priority, they can help you.

nc42day · 12/03/2024 09:20

It's not your fault. But it is your responsibility to do everything you can to make it better. Because as much as you think he's just a bit of a twat, that's what you have to tell yourself to sit in the shit. The minute you accept the extent of what's going on you're bound to take action. And that is scary and difficult, but necessary here.

To them his behaviour is normal. Even some of the worse experiences they bounce back from quite quickly. This in itself is worrying of course, as I do know it's not normal. But even so, the idea of breaking their little hearts by taking them off their dad is just awful, even if I know long term they'd be better off.

They're not bouncing back. Children are wired to keep themselves safe, and that means aligning with their carers, especially the one that they view as the biggest threat. You won't be breaking their hearts by taking them "off" their dad. You will be showing them that you know that what's going on in the family right now is unacceptable and you will be showing them how to get themselves out of their own shitty situations in future. This is how we deal with it. Because that is your job.

we've become more and more tangled like chewing gum rubbed into hair and I don't know where to begin with untangling.

You do it like you'd get chewing gum out of your hair. You gather the stuff you need and then you start. And you work at it until it's done.

Get real life support, you deserve it and you need it. Dont minimise what's going on. It's happening.

qazxc · 12/03/2024 09:21

Sometimes it is hard to see a partner as an abuser. I used to be the same, thinking he doesn't hit me but with insight:
he was isolating me from friends (my family lives abroad so they were my only support).
abusing me financially (didn't want me to have a job and when I got one he would spend all his money on himself leaving me scrambling to cover rent, bills, food and getting myself into debt to cover these/ unable to build a get out fund)
Constant put downs, chipping away at my self esteem.
Constant feeling of walking on eggshells, my life was dictated by his moods. Trying to pacify him, trying to be what he wanted even though the goal posts kept moving.

Do these sound familiar?

To be honest the time he snapped and beat me up while I was sleeping, breaking 2 of my ribs because I was "breathing too loud". Aside from shock, my first emotion was relief because finally I could see him as an abuser and not me being "mad" or "lazy/ stupid/fat cow nobody would want/....". It took a while for me to find a way out, I got lucky he did his usual trick of "leaving", a tactic he had used before to get me to come back to heel, he would leave me with no money, food, electric to get me to grovel and promise to do what he wanted. That time I just agreed that he should leave and didn't let him back in. After a bit of stalking and him breaking in and trashing the flat, he eventually moved on and found another relationship.

Lovelyview · 12/03/2024 09:22

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 09:12

Dumb question here but... I'm guessing other husbands aren't like that? He's been my only ever boyfriend so this to me I guess is normal. My dad is lovely I guess but definitely never lifted a finger round the house.

Sorry I sound like a child. Believe it or not in my profession I'm very competent.

Edited

No, men in good relationships are not like this. I find it very interesting how different each relationship is, how couples interact and how they arrange their lives, who does what, etc. I'd say kindness, respect and love underpin a good relationship. I don't think your husband is offering you any of these.

nc42day · 12/03/2024 09:27

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 09:12

Dumb question here but... I'm guessing other husbands aren't like that? He's been my only ever boyfriend so this to me I guess is normal. My dad is lovely I guess but definitely never lifted a finger round the house.

Sorry I sound like a child. Believe it or not in my profession I'm very competent.

Edited

Other husbands are like that, abusive ones.

You sound amazing. I absolutely believe that you are competent in your profession. No doubt about it. You don't need to justify yourself. You aren't the first amazing woman who's found herself in this position and you won't be the last.

Make an appointment with a solicitor, call womens aid, step through the hoops as they arise. Deal with it like a business operation, you're in the business of sorting this out so you don't have to live like this. You're not waiting for him to become reasonable, or make this easy, that won't happen, and it's very convenient for him to keep the status quo so he will kick off. Don't let that stop you from getting where you need to go. Set your course, and free yourself. This is not your fault.

Lovelyview · 12/03/2024 09:28

Lovelyview · 12/03/2024 09:22

No, men in good relationships are not like this. I find it very interesting how different each relationship is, how couples interact and how they arrange their lives, who does what, etc. I'd say kindness, respect and love underpin a good relationship. I don't think your husband is offering you any of these.

I don't think I made it clear - I find it interesting that good relationships can be very different from each other but they all have a fundamental basis of kindness, respect and love.

EllieQ · 12/03/2024 09:44

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 09:12

Dumb question here but... I'm guessing other husbands aren't like that? He's been my only ever boyfriend so this to me I guess is normal. My dad is lovely I guess but definitely never lifted a finger round the house.

Sorry I sound like a child. Believe it or not in my profession I'm very competent.

Edited

No, other husbands are not like that, unless they’re also abusive. My DH would never call me names or shout at me in front of our DD, and even if we do argue (which is rare) we try to calm down and discuss things rationally. If I’m annoyed with him, it’s only over minor things and never lasts.

We split household tasks and childcare equally, and if I do something nice for him like cooking his favourite meal it’s just because I love him and want to do something nice, not to placate him.

Other relationships might have a more ‘traditional’ split where mum does most of the housework and childcare (everyone has a different set-up that works for then!), but in a good relationship each partner respects the other.

Shetlands · 12/03/2024 10:08

He screams at the children and calls them idiots and calls you a cnt in front of them. He calls his disabled son a retard. This alone is abusive behaviour, let alone everything else. Women's Aid will be great for you so well done for contacting them - tell them everything*.

A family law solicitor would be very helpful to you I'm sure. Again, tell them everything.

It's not acceptable for you to not know what all the bills are so you could make sure that everything is in both names and that you have access to all accounts. You could refuse to pay anything until you have documentation of all the bills for the last year. Don't be afraid to withhold your salary until you have as much information and control over joint spending as your husband does.

It sounds like you are clearer about what your next steps are and what your non-negotiable things are eg SEN child's school. You're making progress and you'll find a way through this maze.

Tried to edit the bold at the beginning - not working - apologies.

Hellsmells · 12/03/2024 10:11

No, other husbands aren't like that. Well, abusive ones are. Yes, he is abusive, yes damage is being done to your kids and you are facilitating that unfortunately no matter how much they LOVE him. You are 'yes butting' because this is frightening/enormous. Counter your own but (with how).

He is abusive.

You cut chewing gum out and regrow your hair, even if it looks ugly for a bit.

On that note, move to Orpington for a while and commute. Your kids too. Much cheaper.

But talk to women's aid and a solicitor to build a plan to leave as with the type of person he is, leaving will need to be done carefully and methodically.

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 10:16

EllieQ · 12/03/2024 09:44

No, other husbands are not like that, unless they’re also abusive. My DH would never call me names or shout at me in front of our DD, and even if we do argue (which is rare) we try to calm down and discuss things rationally. If I’m annoyed with him, it’s only over minor things and never lasts.

We split household tasks and childcare equally, and if I do something nice for him like cooking his favourite meal it’s just because I love him and want to do something nice, not to placate him.

Other relationships might have a more ‘traditional’ split where mum does most of the housework and childcare (everyone has a different set-up that works for then!), but in a good relationship each partner respects the other.

Yeah our split isn't great. He used to do the 'man' jobs like the garden and DIY whilst I did cooking, laundry etc. But since I started earning more than him he stopped - he's always 'busy' doing other stuff and says he's stressed having to manage all the household finances and that it's all on him. So I do it all pretty much.

God seeing it written down makes it sound so awful. I don't think he does it on purpose, I think he genuinely doesn't realise how much there is to do, and when I tell him he says I'm hysterical and need to manage my time better.

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NaughtPoppy · 12/03/2024 10:29

Every abused child loves their parent - they don’t know any better. Children have to love the people they rely on for their survival, it’s biology.
Just because your children accept or tolerate the abuse doesn’t mean they are unscathed by it.

nc42day · 12/03/2024 10:33

I don't think he does it on purpose, I think he genuinely doesn't realise how much there is to do, and when I tell him he says I'm hysterical and need to manage my time better

You can stop giving him credit he doesn't deserve. You don't need to keep minimising his shit behaviour. He realises very well.

The bonus of this situation is that if you're the main earner and you're doing all the family grunt work, you know that you can support you and the children, more or less, without his input.

Hellsmells · 12/03/2024 10:50

God seeing it written down makes it sound so awful. I don't think he does it on purpose, I think he genuinely doesn't realise how much there is to do, and when I tell him he says I'm hysterical and need to manage my time better.

That there is gaslighting @Namechangedforobvious . Decent partners discuss things. Abusive ones dismiss you out of hand with a shitty remark. If he does it without thinking, it doesn't mean he doesn't realise, it means he's so well practised at it that he doesn't even have to bother thinking about doing it.

samqueens · 12/03/2024 10:59

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 09:12

Dumb question here but... I'm guessing other husbands aren't like that? He's been my only ever boyfriend so this to me I guess is normal. My dad is lovely I guess but definitely never lifted a finger round the house.

Sorry I sound like a child. Believe it or not in my profession I'm very competent.

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turn your life upside down pre-emptively if you must, but I absolutely BEG you to read the Lundy Bancroft book. If you only did one thing for yourself in this situation that’s the one thing to do. I know you have no point of comparison, and his behaviour has always been calculated to result in you feeling exactly the way you do right now, but this man ticks every abuse box going. He is an abuser. You are an abused woman. Your children are growing up in an abusive household. If your children are boys they are learning how to do it to other women when they grow up. If they are girls they are learning to accept this treatment.

The reason it’s so important you recognise this is because getting out of a relationship with an abuser is not like ending a relationship with a garden variety arsehole - it has different logistical and emotional dynamics. I hope you can get free, that you speak to Women’s Aid and that you can find a path through this. But whatever else happens, read that book!

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 11:02

NaughtPoppy · 12/03/2024 10:29

Every abused child loves their parent - they don’t know any better. Children have to love the people they rely on for their survival, it’s biology.
Just because your children accept or tolerate the abuse doesn’t mean they are unscathed by it.

I really would stop short at calling him abusive. He has a rotten temper and is horrid to them from time to time. Mostly he’s a nice dad. He’s a less nice husband, oscillating between being distant and outright nasty but a better father I feel.

This is not to excuse him but I don’t want people to have the impression that he’s a nasty monster, bullying and screaming and the kids all the time.

I guess elements of the Claes Bang character in Bad Sisters who was mostly nice to his daughter but more it’s worrying seeing that as the model for a relationship.

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Scarletttulips · 12/03/2024 11:12

I don't think husband would be a very good full time parent due to his anger issues. Maybe if I left he'd learn the hard way to manage his temper but I'd be worried he'd harm the kids.

So is he abusive or not? Monster?

You are making excuses for his behaviour.

Shetlands · 12/03/2024 11:13

Namechangedforobvious · 12/03/2024 11:02

I really would stop short at calling him abusive. He has a rotten temper and is horrid to them from time to time. Mostly he’s a nice dad. He’s a less nice husband, oscillating between being distant and outright nasty but a better father I feel.

This is not to excuse him but I don’t want people to have the impression that he’s a nasty monster, bullying and screaming and the kids all the time.

I guess elements of the Claes Bang character in Bad Sisters who was mostly nice to his daughter but more it’s worrying seeing that as the model for a relationship.

I think you have to accept that his behaviour is abusive. It doesn't have to be constant to warrant that description. You don't know (and neither do the children) when he'll next erupt and be abusive, which results in anxiety for you all even in the good times. You might not even be aware of it but you and they will be 'on alert' or walking on eggshells to keep him sweet.