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Ex-lover has died and never got over us

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Starclock · 12/01/2024 10:06

I’m full of so many emotions about this. Apologies if it’s a long one.

Fifteen years ago I was married to my now Ex-H. It wasn’t right for either of us, and I started an affair with a married man (you can be judgey about that if you want, but be gentle please). Ex-H also had an affair and we ended up divorcing reasonably amicably, which was finalised about ten years ago.

The affair I had was the most intense relationship of my life. He felt the same. We talked about leaving our respective spouses for one another at the beginning but realised that the intensity we felt was probably not ‘real’, and that to damage our kids, wreck our marriages etc was too big a step to take.

Over time the relationship evolved. We sometimes went a long time without doing anything about physical, as we both felt bad about our marriages. But the ‘mental’ affair didn’t stop. We would text 50 times a day, talk on the phone for an hour every day, and this went on for nearly seven years. He was the closest friend I’ve ever had.

During this time we both had moments where we wanted to make a go of it with each other. But these moments never coincided! The kids were still kids, I had my divorce to get through, we both moved house (putting an hours distance between us), I lost my parents, and although we were absolutely there for one another throughout (he was the first person I rang when my mum died, and he stayed with me all night) it wasn’t a proper relationship. The betrayal, the practical difficulties and the nagging doubt that it still wasn’t ‘real’ held us back.

Eventually, about five years ago, I grasped the nettle and told him that I wanted a proper relationship with someone who lived close by and could be with me properly. He was very upset at the prospect of losing our closeness. By this time it really was just an intimate friendship, rather than a physical affair. But he said that there was no way I could legitimately have a new partner and continue with a relationship like that with him (he was right!) so after a few torrid months of me dating and trying not to mention it to Mr Affair, I met a man. I went NC with Mr Affair, and he totally respected that as the only option. He was extremely upset, and were it not for the man I had started seeing i’d have been the same.

Things didn’t work out with the new man really. We split up after a year or so, and there’s been nobody major since. I stayed NC with Mr Affair because I didn’t want to open old wounds, interrupt his life now etc, and the old problems of his marriage, our kids and the physical distance remained.

A couple of weeks ago I received a letter from a friend of Mr Affair, telling me that he’d died. I was shocked and so, so sad for him and his family, and for myself. It was a total shock. The friend told me that he’d written to me because Mr Affair had wanted him to pass on something to me. It was another letter, written to me by Mr Affair. It was so beautiful, telling me that he never stopped loving me, that I had been the finest person he’d ever met, and that he was so sorry that things ended how they did.

During our relationship, Mr Affair and I had a joint email account. He used to write me little love notes and silly things, and send them there. When we went NC I stopped checking it. His letter told me to check it so that he could prove that he meant what he said in his letter. When I logged on I was completely poleaxed to discover that he’d continued to write to me from the time we’d gone NC right almost until the very end. Not all the time, but every few weeks when he said he missed me or had seen something he’d known we’d have liked sharing. Every one of mine and the kids’ birthdays, every Christmas and new year he’d written as well. They were all full of love and sadness, jokes and silly little things, wishing me nothing but the best.

My heart just dissolved. He was such a lovely, wonderful man. I know we both fucked up with our affair but he was convinced that I was the love of his life, and now I wonder whether he was right and whether he was mine!

Clearly he’s gone now, so it’s not like I can ring him up and suggest that we give it a go. I don’t even know what advice I’m looking for. ‘Get over it!’ probably. Or ‘apologise to his poor wife,
you selfish cow’ from some of you, I suspect But it was such a Sliding Doors type memory, and to read all that he’d written… It was so beautiful and it took me back to such happy places.

I am so very sad he’s gone. RIP beautiful man x

OP posts:
Buffypaws · 12/01/2024 10:13

Jeez. I think I’d get counselling for this one. I guess his actions could be viewed as quite tragic and romantic but will also make it so much harder for you to move on.

Lightermoon · 12/01/2024 10:32

I think I would hold on to it and feel lucky you found him. Hold on to those lovely memories. Maybe he wasn’t meant to be your forever. I would second the counselling too.

Overtheatlantic · 12/01/2024 10:53

There’s so much to unpack here that I agree about having some counselling to help explore your feelings. No judgement from me. 💐

MarshaMarshaMarshmellow · 12/01/2024 10:55

I'm not going to judge you, and I'm not going to start picking it all apart with the "why didn't you"s and the "why didn't he"s...

I'm so sorry for your loss, and clichéd as it sounds, tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. It was what it was, you both saw and loved each other for who you were, and now you're in the world of grieving and bereavement, and I hope you look after yourself as such. Don't feel you need to sweep this under the rug - it's OK to sit with it, feel what you feel, and so on.

Intriguedbythis · 12/01/2024 10:56

all sounds very dramatic with an awful lot of rose tinted view on a cheating married man with very selfish behaviour…

SoupDragon · 12/01/2024 10:58

Intriguedbythis · 12/01/2024 10:56

all sounds very dramatic with an awful lot of rose tinted view on a cheating married man with very selfish behaviour…

Ignoring the fact that the OP was the same 🙄

tribpot · 12/01/2024 11:00

I think I would echo the idea of having some counselling to process this. My concern really is that somehow his widow now finds out about this, when it's too late to vent her anger on him, and you will bear the brunt of it. Adding that into your own grief and feeling of an opportunity now lost forever - that could be a great deal to cope with.

I'm sorry that he has died, and for your loss. What an awful shock.

GreatAuntMaude · 12/01/2024 11:00

Mr Affair was cheating on his wife for 7 years with the love of his life, was he? What a peach.

Intriguedbythis · 12/01/2024 11:02

@GreatAuntMaude my thoughts exactly. Hardly sounds like some amazing, sensitive intuitive man..
sounds like a nasty, gaslighting, bullying liar.

step back and actually think about how he was happy to treat his unsuspecting wife and kids.

pfft

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 12/01/2024 11:05

I wouldn’t apologise to his wife. Especially if she didn’t know. That would be cruel imo.

But definitely get therapy for this one.

JustanotherMNSlapperTwat · 12/01/2024 11:05

I know this sounds like a lovely, romantic, film worthy gesture, but I actually think that you had been NC for years this was actually quite cruel

Making sure someone let you know he had died was thoughtful. But all the rest of it seems unnecessary. All of those feelings didn't need to be stirred up again and were bound to make you feel unsettled regardless of his current situation. it feels like he considered his ego more than your feelings.

I agree with the previous poster that therapy would be useful in this senario.

Candleabra · 12/01/2024 11:06

tribpot · 12/01/2024 11:00

I think I would echo the idea of having some counselling to process this. My concern really is that somehow his widow now finds out about this, when it's too late to vent her anger on him, and you will bear the brunt of it. Adding that into your own grief and feeling of an opportunity now lost forever - that could be a great deal to cope with.

I'm sorry that he has died, and for your loss. What an awful shock.

Yes that would be awful for her. Hard enough to lose your husband without finding out he harboured all these intense feelings for another woman. It would make their life together a lie.

SilentNightDancer · 12/01/2024 11:06

Did his wife ever know about the affair?

Do you think she will find out?

MILTOBE · 12/01/2024 11:06

Imagine finding out your husband has done all those things? His poor wife is grieving him now and thinking they were each other's loves of their lives (because that's what he'd told her) and all the time he's writing emails for his lover.

I'm not sure how much I believe all of this, though. That email account would have been checked by you over the years, I'm convinced of that.

MaggieNextDoor · 12/01/2024 11:06

Allow yourself to grieve for the man that you knew.

Once your grief is manageable, you can look back on your affair without the rose-tinted glasses on.

He wasn't The One. If he was, you would have found a way to be together, despite breaking up families. People do it all the time. The fact that you didn't, and even after your divorce, you didn't fall into his arms, means he wasn't actually that special. You're romanticising the affair because he's passed away.

Be kind to yourself but also be realistic.

Castellanos · 12/01/2024 11:07

Op I understand why you've posted but am concerned you are going to get utterly slayed on here. Whatever the morality of your relationship was, you are in the early stages of grief and need to be kind to yourself. Take some time out and talk it through with a bereavement counsellor. I'm really not sure how useful this thread will be as there will be some very harsh posts I am certain.

EmmaEmerald · 12/01/2024 11:08

OP
I get it.

Sometimes you will sit with the memories of the good parts. I hope you can do that with peace, and in time, smile. 💐

Falkenburg · 12/01/2024 11:08

I'm sure there is a name for this kind of thing. A syndrome perhaps.

Whatever it is it's still a poisonous way of life to be besotted with a person but pledging allegiance to another.

My take on it is that the pair of you found in each other a very similar bond in giving each other the kind of attention that just isn't realistic or sustainable in a normal relationship. A fantasy world that you both created almost as if you were characters in a film and it would certainly not have worked out in real life which perhaps you both deep down knew.

There is nothing romantic or noble in what has occurred and whilst you finally saw the light and went no contact with him he has continued to play the role of what he believed was the romantic hero. He wasn't, he was a deadbeat liar and a cheat.

Don't sit there mooning over him, he tried to manipulate you until the very end.

Wheresthefibre · 12/01/2024 11:08

It sounds like you have massively romanticised a very toxic situation with a very toxic man and made him into the tragic hero of a fairly bad romance novel.

I think if 5 years distance hasn’t made you realise how awful the whole thing was, you need some counselling

beatrix1234 · 12/01/2024 11:08

This was not love, not really a proper friendship either, more like limerence, two people United by their issues. You should have cut the cord of this unhealthy relationship a long time ago and dedicate your time and energy to the available men around. Sounds like you have a penchant for the unavailable. Therapy is your friend.

Hellsmells · 12/01/2024 11:11

He's not a beautiful man if he invested so much time in you which he could of in his family (that he wouldn't leave, maybe they'd have been happier without a half invested man). He just had a foot in both doors. Sounds like you're a bit hooked on drama.

CreationNat1on · 12/01/2024 11:12

Be happy that you both found such joy in each other for as long as you did. Some people never find love, you both did, it's over now, cherish the memories and feelings. Be grateful for the good times and let the rest go.

user1492757084 · 12/01/2024 11:13

Thanks for the memories ....
You made the right decision as at the time.
Sorry for your loss.

snowdrop2011 · 12/01/2024 11:18

So much easier to have a fantasy relationship. Reading you post it feels like you never were able to move from the ‘affair’ intensity - and well done to you both for recognising that at the time and realising things might not have been so rosy if you’d blown up both your lives for each other. But he, if not you, carried on having a fantasy relationship even after NC. It was lovely but not based in reality.
I have bitter personal experience of both fantasy relationships and real extra marital ones. Believe me, for some people it’s easy to fall in love with a memory, or with someone who is never going to challenge you in a real relationship with real, prolonged intimacy and all the scariness that entails.
He held on to you, and loved you always. It doesn’t mean you made the wrong decision from not ever building a life together.
💐

WhereIsMyLight · 12/01/2024 11:33

You both discussed having a relationship together at the very beginning and since. Both of you acknowledged this intense feeling wasn’t real, and if you look at accounts from spouses who have cheated many will say the same. It was never a relationship that was bogged down by the daily grind of life. It got to stay perfect as a ‘what if’.

You made it clear 5 years ago that you wanted more from him. He didn’t want to sacrifice his life. He didn’t think you were the love of his life, he’d have left his wife and given it a go, realised what if, our all the doubt aside when you asked him to. Maybe he fooled himself into thinking that but his actions reflect how he really felt. He missed the ego stroking you provided but didn’t want to give up his life because he had doubts about your relationship.

Mourn the man you knew and had such feelings for but don’t mourn what could have been. You gave him multiple chances to have something and he didn’t take any of them.