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Ex-lover has died and never got over us

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Starclock · 12/01/2024 10:06

I’m full of so many emotions about this. Apologies if it’s a long one.

Fifteen years ago I was married to my now Ex-H. It wasn’t right for either of us, and I started an affair with a married man (you can be judgey about that if you want, but be gentle please). Ex-H also had an affair and we ended up divorcing reasonably amicably, which was finalised about ten years ago.

The affair I had was the most intense relationship of my life. He felt the same. We talked about leaving our respective spouses for one another at the beginning but realised that the intensity we felt was probably not ‘real’, and that to damage our kids, wreck our marriages etc was too big a step to take.

Over time the relationship evolved. We sometimes went a long time without doing anything about physical, as we both felt bad about our marriages. But the ‘mental’ affair didn’t stop. We would text 50 times a day, talk on the phone for an hour every day, and this went on for nearly seven years. He was the closest friend I’ve ever had.

During this time we both had moments where we wanted to make a go of it with each other. But these moments never coincided! The kids were still kids, I had my divorce to get through, we both moved house (putting an hours distance between us), I lost my parents, and although we were absolutely there for one another throughout (he was the first person I rang when my mum died, and he stayed with me all night) it wasn’t a proper relationship. The betrayal, the practical difficulties and the nagging doubt that it still wasn’t ‘real’ held us back.

Eventually, about five years ago, I grasped the nettle and told him that I wanted a proper relationship with someone who lived close by and could be with me properly. He was very upset at the prospect of losing our closeness. By this time it really was just an intimate friendship, rather than a physical affair. But he said that there was no way I could legitimately have a new partner and continue with a relationship like that with him (he was right!) so after a few torrid months of me dating and trying not to mention it to Mr Affair, I met a man. I went NC with Mr Affair, and he totally respected that as the only option. He was extremely upset, and were it not for the man I had started seeing i’d have been the same.

Things didn’t work out with the new man really. We split up after a year or so, and there’s been nobody major since. I stayed NC with Mr Affair because I didn’t want to open old wounds, interrupt his life now etc, and the old problems of his marriage, our kids and the physical distance remained.

A couple of weeks ago I received a letter from a friend of Mr Affair, telling me that he’d died. I was shocked and so, so sad for him and his family, and for myself. It was a total shock. The friend told me that he’d written to me because Mr Affair had wanted him to pass on something to me. It was another letter, written to me by Mr Affair. It was so beautiful, telling me that he never stopped loving me, that I had been the finest person he’d ever met, and that he was so sorry that things ended how they did.

During our relationship, Mr Affair and I had a joint email account. He used to write me little love notes and silly things, and send them there. When we went NC I stopped checking it. His letter told me to check it so that he could prove that he meant what he said in his letter. When I logged on I was completely poleaxed to discover that he’d continued to write to me from the time we’d gone NC right almost until the very end. Not all the time, but every few weeks when he said he missed me or had seen something he’d known we’d have liked sharing. Every one of mine and the kids’ birthdays, every Christmas and new year he’d written as well. They were all full of love and sadness, jokes and silly little things, wishing me nothing but the best.

My heart just dissolved. He was such a lovely, wonderful man. I know we both fucked up with our affair but he was convinced that I was the love of his life, and now I wonder whether he was right and whether he was mine!

Clearly he’s gone now, so it’s not like I can ring him up and suggest that we give it a go. I don’t even know what advice I’m looking for. ‘Get over it!’ probably. Or ‘apologise to his poor wife,
you selfish cow’ from some of you, I suspect But it was such a Sliding Doors type memory, and to read all that he’d written… It was so beautiful and it took me back to such happy places.

I am so very sad he’s gone. RIP beautiful man x

OP posts:
PrimalOwl10 · 12/01/2024 11:38

In your head you were star crossed lovers but in reality you were his bit of the side. He never left his wife to be with you that tells you all you need to know. I remember my friend telling my her boyfriends parents had adopted him because the dad couldn't have children. He died unexpectedly and she uncovered a number of love letters to his lover completely turned her world upside down she was never the same again, never met anyone else.

rhubarbby · 12/01/2024 11:39

I am not sure you know what real love is or looks like OP.

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Dartmoorcheffy · 12/01/2024 11:49

This is all a bit Sex and the City. I'm sure there was an episonde where one of them discovered a load of emails in the same situation..

Missingmyusername · 12/01/2024 11:58

I’m sorry for your loss and I’m sorry you never got to experience a real relationship with him, sounds like your soul mate.💐

However, who knows it may not have ended well either. Don’t mourn what may have been. He sounds like he loved you and thought a lot of you. Remember him fondly OP. Not everyone gets to experience a love like that.

ChangeNameNameChange · 12/01/2024 12:04

I don't think you're ever going to get the closure you need without therapy. It's such a messy situation with so many emotions to address that I doubt you'll be able to really come to terms with it alone.

Astrabees · 12/01/2024 12:04

I know from experience that it is possible to meet one wonderful person who will be your intellectual, cultural romantic and sexual all, with the “but” being that they would not be the same if you were in a domestic situation together. Living together is about the mundane for most of the time, food. Laundry and household maintenance - more like running a company. I consider myself rather blessed to have loved someone where the age difference was too great for moving in together to be a real consideration. I feel the two of you had something rather more special than most people ever find. Please savour all those messages
Counselling would give you the opportunity to share your feelings . I’m very sorry for your loss.

Sparklfairy · 12/01/2024 12:09

Dartmoorcheffy · 12/01/2024 11:49

This is all a bit Sex and the City. I'm sure there was an episonde where one of them discovered a load of emails in the same situation..

Yes. It was the SATC movie iirc.

OP you both had decided to put your relationship into a box marked 'something that can never be - or at least not right now'. The problem with that is the memories are always marred with a 'what if'. I'm sure there were moments where you wondered yourself. And maybe in the back of your mind you thought the timing might be right for you both sometime in the distant future.

Now there is no future - that box is irrevocably labelled 'never' with no hope of 'maybe one day'. And the what ifs are probably accompanied by guilt and thinking a different path might have led to a different outcome.

This is effectively doubled grief. You're mourning the loss of your ex-lover and friend, and mourning the loss of maybe your paths crossing in the future and it finally being the 'right' time.

I'm not going to give you the harsh reality of the situation that other posters have, but I think counselling to work through these complicated feelings is a very good idea.

beezlebubnicky · 12/01/2024 12:23

Dartmoorcheffy · 12/01/2024 11:49

This is all a bit Sex and the City. I'm sure there was an episonde where one of them discovered a load of emails in the same situation..

Yep, it's giving Mr Big. Could quite possibly be bollocks although if is true - OP, I understand it is upsetting, but you need to see this man for who he truly was. Not a romantic, a narcissist stroking his own ego who wanted to have his cake and eat it.

krustykittens · 12/01/2024 12:58

He loved the excitment you brought, it gave him a break from the hum drum of every day life with his wife and kids. He didn't leave his wife and kids because everything would have become hum drum with you as well and soon there would have been another affair partner he would have been writing lovely little notes to. You were nothing more than a fantasy to him and not one he cared enought to commit to. The man who wrote those notes was a fantasy he had of himself. For the love of God, do not tell his poor wife about your great love.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 12/01/2024 13:01

I don't mean to rain on your parade but you could have made it work of you both wanted to. People leave their spouses all the time

Tbh, it comes across as egotistical mind games and emotional manipulation to me. You are the love of my life but I don't love you enough to leave my wife and make a proper go of things.

If it was meant to be, you both would have found a way.

Pygtrail · 12/01/2024 13:05

It’s amazing when you truly have a connection this deep with another human being. I have had a couple and for numerous reasons they weren’t meant to be but they finished amicably and life went on. I honestly hope they found love and fulfilment in their lives.

I’ve been with my DH over 20 years now so I don’t look back and think what if I just look back with gratitude that I experienced these relationships.

(I had my fair share of throwbacks too so I know both sides 😂)

dressedforcomfort · 12/01/2024 13:06

Whether it's rose-tinted or not, the grief is still real and takes time to work through. As others say, it's very complex and I do think talking it through with someone trained would be helpful. You need time and space to process this. Take things slow and be gentle on yourself. I'm sorry for your loss. Flowers

Avacardo2023 · 12/01/2024 13:08

So basically five years ago you saw the light and gave him the opportunity to make a proper go of things and he chose to let you go off with another man. It must have been eating him up inside that you moved on and didn't even bother to check the email account so he got his flying monkey to make sure he left a lasting impression on you.

You are romanticising things. He wasn't a wonderful man, he was a spineless cheat. You could have made a go of things but he chose not to.

OwlWeiwei · 12/01/2024 13:12

Honestly, my instinct is that you were the loves of each others' lives in the form that your affair took. What you had is what worked. It might never have worked another way which you both knew. So you kept it working by keeping it away from the mundanity of every day life - the bills, food shops, moods, leaky washing machines etc that take the edge off romance.

So see what you had as something that worked in its own right. Not 'Oh we should have made a go of it and now I can't.' You probably shouldn't have. You both knew you wanted something that couldn't stay romantic if it got normal and real.

And this may not be what you want to hear, but it's interesting that he kept chatting away happily into a void for years. Almost as if you actually responding was immaterial. He just wanted a place to put that stuff that was on his mind. It's a tiny bit like the poet in Ghosts who 'loves' Alison. He just needs a vessel to 'love' not a real relationship.

MarshaMarshaMarshmellow · 12/01/2024 13:14

What is the point of PPs making things so black and white, when the man is dead? Life decisions have to be one way or another - e.g. leave your spouse or don't, marry Bill or marry Bob, have an affair or don't. But there's no decision to be made here, just a grieving woman looking back on a complex situation. I honestly think it's horrible of PPs, when this man has passed away, to call him names and dismiss the entire relationship. Obviously there are valid criticisms that can be made here, but the time for making them in such a trenchant way has passed.

toomanyleggings · 12/01/2024 13:17

I think really if people want to be with you they make it happen. Lots of flannel and words are just that.

MRSMTO · 12/01/2024 13:45

OP, my sympathies to you for the loss of someone who meant such a lot to you.

MrsJellybee · 12/01/2024 14:15

He sounds like Newland Archer in ‘The Age of Innocence’. In love with being in love, and the idea of thwarted lovers against society. I’m sorry for your loss. Great romances are never steeped in domesticity.

waterrat · 12/01/2024 14:27

His behaviour on.many many levels sounds incredibley selfish.

He has ensured he has left you with painful unresolved emotions. He has cheated emotionally on his wife for YEARS thst is not romantic

Very easy to send messages like this while his wife never had the honest truth. He could indulge himself without commitment to either of you

Sorry op as i totally get this must throw up an incredible array of emotion but i also suggest counseling to deal with it

ItsBeenRaining · 12/01/2024 14:41

What a horrible story.

At least he's got one person who understood his legacy.

That of a liar and a cheat.

Starof72 · 12/01/2024 14:49

I am trying to contact two ex partners of my recently deceased relative who lived in Yorkshire as I have need to connect with them (for their benefit as well as mine) but don't know where to start!
So sad when things are left like this. My life will always feel a little bit empty because of it. I feel for you OP, regardless of what happened in the past Flowers

Comedycook · 12/01/2024 14:54

Saying this with kindness as you sound upset ..

If he wanted to be with you, he would have been. He sounds like he was a bit of a romantic fantasist and this was an outlet and escape from his day to day life.

Be sad but honestly keep it to yourself..

CheeseandGherkins · 12/01/2024 15:09

So did you meet up with his "friend" so he could pass on the letter? Enclosed it with it? Seems quite strange.

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