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Do you still have long-standing friends?

97 replies

EmmaEmerald · 30/12/2023 16:41

Question for those of us who are old enough...do you still have friends from 20 - 25 years ago?

If so, did they keep in touch reasonably often?

Thanks.

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Minglingpringle · 30/12/2023 23:21

Just throwing this out there - I don’t have any evidence for it apart from the fact that you said you had a nervous breakdown.

Are you in a dark place? Are you dragging people down? If so, and if they haven’t seen you for a while because life got in the way, they might not feel much impetus to keep seeing you. A bit selfish of them but nevertheless possible.

EmmaEmerald · 30/12/2023 23:46

Minglingpringle · 30/12/2023 23:21

Just throwing this out there - I don’t have any evidence for it apart from the fact that you said you had a nervous breakdown.

Are you in a dark place? Are you dragging people down? If so, and if they haven’t seen you for a while because life got in the way, they might not feel much impetus to keep seeing you. A bit selfish of them but nevertheless possible.

It doesn't explain long absences like six years though. Those people have no idea that's happened to me this year.

anyway, this thread has been helpful, especially the two posters who just said it like it is. I don't think my future includes standing by everyone through birth, marriage, bereavement etc.

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DeeCeeCherry · 31/12/2023 00:29

I don't think my future includes standing by everyone through birth, marriage, bereavement etc

Well, it doesn't have to. All friendships are different. & then theres different friends for different reasons/activities.

I tend to find people with no friends, havent cultivated or maintained friendships. If you're busy being busy with the normal everyday stuff we all have to do, if you don’t have a hobby where you meet people, if you don't socialise, don't travel, then you tend to just get left to your own devices as people have other friends and things going on so they forget about you. They won't come knocking on your door.

I find these friendship threads interesting as up to around 5 years ago it was the in thing on MN to say 'no time for friends I'm busy with family life' . Someone actually said having or wanting friends was 'needy'. FF to today, there are several posts and threads about having no friends.

You may not want to make friends and if not, that's fine. But if you do, you have to get up and out as hard as that can sometimes be.

You mentioned having a nervous breakdown. I wouldn't abandon a friend who'd been through that. So those weren't your friends anyway. Aside from that, sometimes having acquaintances is just fine.

doggiedude · 31/12/2023 00:36

Yes I have about 10 solid friends. Ranging from my longest since primary school,so about 50 years and other amazing people I have met mainly through work. Love the fact they don’t really know each other . I just love each and every one of them and know that I can reach out at any time and visa versa . They are real friends!

betterangels · 31/12/2023 00:36

Yes. A few from my teen years. We see each other when life allows. At least every couple of months.

EmmaEmerald · 31/12/2023 00:45

@DeeCeeCherry - sorry if I have misconstrued anything, v tired and off to bed now.

i've seen a lot of threads where wanting friends is considered "needy" though I do tend to find MN quite removed from real life.

If you read my posts you'll see I have stood by these people through everything, for decades.

Obviously parenting has changed a great deal, but I feel people now just disappear into families forever. It's not a stage of "when the kids are little" any more.

I didn't expect anyone to come knocking on my door. I had a lot of friends. Foolishly, I did all the hard graft necessary to keep friendships going through all the life stages and apparently have got nothing in return.

So I shouldn't be someone with few friends as I did do all the stuff that's needed.

I think @Thingumabob and @IncompleteSenten made really good points.

Anyway, it's New Year's Eve now! A very good time to let it all go and not worry about it.

Old acquaintance can indeed be forgot - and let go without any guilt on my part.

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Minglingpringle · 31/12/2023 12:42

EmmaEmerald · 30/12/2023 23:46

It doesn't explain long absences like six years though. Those people have no idea that's happened to me this year.

anyway, this thread has been helpful, especially the two posters who just said it like it is. I don't think my future includes standing by everyone through birth, marriage, bereavement etc.

No, if it’s not working, move on.

Epidote · 31/12/2023 13:48

Yes, a few. Life it runs it's course and I may see them just once every two years but we keep in touch regularly.

Mary46 · 31/12/2023 17:03

Few long friendships yes. But have found people flaky past two years they dont commit. One is happy to text back and forth. Dont people as sincere now..

CharlottePimpernel · 31/12/2023 17:05

One from primary school so 35 years and two from secondary, so 29 years. We talk a lot via WhatsApp and meet up every few months

Indifferentchickenwings · 31/12/2023 17:08

Yeah
my oldest friend (albeit she’s annoying !) is 42 years tenure

I do cherish most of my old friends as they know me at my best and worst

BeaRF75 · 31/12/2023 17:10

EmmaEmerald · 30/12/2023 17:21

Thanks everyone

I'm surprised by the replies nearly all saying yes

But being the only childfree one has knocked me out of some friendships, I think

When your friends have children, you know they will vanish into the early years and when you do see them, their kids will be ....well, maybe not badly behaved exactly but....being the way children often are allowed to behave these days.

What I didn't expect was that their kids would get to be teens and I'd just become a name on a Christmas message list.

@theduchessofspork You mention a midlife reboot stage, is that a thing? I have reason to believe that's coming from a couple of people but I think that I won't be keen to meet. My oldest friend I haven't seen for six years now.

Too much time has passed. I suppose I'm wondering if I might have regrets but if someone who can drive over in an hour hasn't come by, or invited you, for six years, it's over isn't it. They have zero interest in me and my life.

I am childfree and my closest friends (of 40+ years) all have children. In addition, they live up to 250 miles away! But if you want to make it work you can - I'm a godmother/"auntie" to these now-adult children and it has been wonderful to watch them grow up.

CowboyOnAWhiteHorse · 31/12/2023 17:19

Yes, I’m mid 40s and all my friends are from growing up back home or from uni. I wouldn’t class anyone else as friends, just acquaintances.

A couple don’t have children but we’ve always made an effort to keep in touch. I see some a few times a week, others only once a year when I go home or they visit here but we FaceTime/text a few times a week. I have shit family so I’ve always made effort to keep friendships.

Scorchio84 · 31/12/2023 17:33

I'm still friends with the same core group as when I was a teenager, not school friends as such but we all have the same thing in common & met through that as late teens & went on to make it our side hustle for the past 20 years.. but even with that aside I know we'd still all be friends, our kids & families all know each other & despite the fact that some of us live in different countries we're still in touch

Thingumabob · 08/01/2024 02:07

'But she did also say "we are all over 40 with kids now, you shouldn't really be expecting help from any friends now". In an almost patronising way. Like I was a total fool for thinking people might want to help.'

@EmmaEmerald that is harsh, and makes me feel maybe I was a bit too 'unvarnished' in my earlier post. Whatever the realities of family life these days, literally telling a friend off for expecting help after a nervous breakdown is downright rude and hurtful. No friend, for sure.

I hope I would do my best to support an old friend if they told me they'd had a nervous breakdown; it's vital that people have someone who will simply listen without judgement. Time is short, but the telephone is always an option.

The realities remain, nonetheless: I had 3 months off work with mental health last year; I didn't call it a nervous breakdown, I said 'massive sense of humour failure' but it amounted to the same thing. All my work colleagues knew, and the very few people I count as old friends. Only one colleague rang me once.

One of my close friends lives 90 minutes away, she has primary school-age children. She has never been to my house, I've been to hers bc my kids are older so that frees me up a bit. We've both had serious mental health episodes in the past few years, but have had very little contact, much less than I would ideally want.

What prevents it? I'd say it's a combination of lack of free time, lack of energy and a sense that our respective partners would take a dim view of us taking 'time out' to go and comfort a friend. It's not that my partner is unfeeling, it's more that our own relationship suffers more or less permanently from lack of 'us-time' so my going off for the best part of a day means DP is left doing everything that needs doing, on her own, knowing that I'm thinking more of my friend than I am of her. I have done that nevertheless, and she's been ok with it, but I can't do it as often as I want to. But then I can't do most things as often as I want to.

The reality is, friendships need time invested in them, and too many of us are time-poor because, despite all the 'improvements' in labour-saving devices over the years, the need for both people in a marriage or long-term family relationship to go out to work, and the decline in community life, mean that we lead lives that militate against good friendships.

My mother would sit on her doorstep in the 1960s, mid-housework, and maintain her friendships with other women in our street. No-one does that any more; our friendships tend to stem from our workplaces so have a geographical spread that precludes meeting away from work.

Even those friends made at the primary school gate never 'pop round'; somehow impromptu visits have fallen out of favour, as if it's now considered rude - or even 'common' - to call on someone without a prior arrangement. This smacks, to me, of class consciousness. Only the working classes gather on the step or the street corner; the middle classes keep themselves to themselves, and friendships are the casualties.

imnotwhoyouthinkiam · 08/01/2024 02:09

I bet my best friend when I was 5 and she was 3. (34 years ago).
We became 'best friends' in our teens. We WhatsApp 2-3 times per week and try and meet up weekly.

She's my soulmate.

Spidey66 · 08/01/2024 02:21

I’ve got 3 friends I’ve known for 40 years. I was at 6th form college with D & C. C introduced me to N, who she was at school with and we’re all friends.

slightly different but I have a 1st cousin K. I grew up in London, K in Ireland where my dad was from. Unfortunately a family feud meant our dads who were brothers fell out while we were kids which meant we didn’t see each other for a few years. K then moved to London and we both started training as nurses at the same time but different hospitals in 1990 (she’s an Adult nurse, I’m a Mental Health Nurse). We happened to bump into each other at a festival in 1990 and have been close since.

K & N both moved from London to Bath about 10 years back. I introduced them and now they’re great mates too. I’m planning to move to the West Country this year and we’ll be a Gang of 3.

Howtofryanegg · 08/01/2024 02:26

Most of my friends I’ve known for 15-20 years, many if not most have kids. I don’t. We still make time to socialise with each other even if our lives may look a bit different!

Most of my friends with kids have partners/spouses they can leave the kids with so they have maintained a good social life and still do girly breaks and brunches and nights out etc.

I have even spent Christmases with some of my friends. And I enjoy being an “Aunty” and godmother and spending time with their kids. I had a couple of childhood friends who were single parents in their early 20s, I used to babysit on a regular basis including overnight so they could still go out. I think friendships that die off completely just because someone does or doesn’t have kids weren’t strong to begin with. You can still find common ground with and empathy for friends even if their situation is different from yours and that goes for both child free and/or single as well as parents.

I also have a few close childhood friends so people I’ve known for 25-30 years.I have lived abroad twice so have good friends from all over.

Scorchio84 · 09/01/2024 19:52

Spidey66 · 08/01/2024 02:21

I’ve got 3 friends I’ve known for 40 years. I was at 6th form college with D & C. C introduced me to N, who she was at school with and we’re all friends.

slightly different but I have a 1st cousin K. I grew up in London, K in Ireland where my dad was from. Unfortunately a family feud meant our dads who were brothers fell out while we were kids which meant we didn’t see each other for a few years. K then moved to London and we both started training as nurses at the same time but different hospitals in 1990 (she’s an Adult nurse, I’m a Mental Health Nurse). We happened to bump into each other at a festival in 1990 and have been close since.

K & N both moved from London to Bath about 10 years back. I introduced them and now they’re great mates too. I’m planning to move to the West Country this year and we’ll be a Gang of 3.

That is such a nice story to hear in the midst of all the doom & gloom, thanks for sharing it & good luck with your move 💪

theemmadilemma · 09/01/2024 21:32

One friend of over 22 years, worked together, but that ended maybe 10 years ago. Remained in contact by WhatsApp every few days. I pop in when I pass visiting mother every few months. (300 odd miles.)

Best friend of over 25 years. Moved to Europe some 18 years ago. Near daily messages. Weekly Sunday coffee and video catch up, and I visit no less than 3 times a year.

Another friend of over 16 years is still a colleague, actually a direct report, but we are close friends as well.

Those are my 3 closest friends. I don't have a huge number, but the ones I have are close and fabulous!

2024andsobegins · 09/01/2024 21:40

I have known my 2 closest friends since primary school. We message a couple of times a week, speak every couple of weeks, go away once a year and meet up every couple of months if not more.

im still close to my ante natal group who are 4 other close friends even though the babies are in their 20’s. I speak to a couple of them most days and the others once a month or so. Meet for coffee most weeks and dinner once a month or so.

I have 2 close mum friends from my kids primary school so coming up for 20 years and then a group of 4 from kids secondary so about 10/11 years who I see and speak to most weeks.

Dacadactyl · 09/01/2024 21:53

I'm 38.

My oldest friends I've known for 27 years and then uni friends for 20 years. Local friends I've known for 15 years.

Yes we all keep equally in touch.

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