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I've fallen for gaslighting and made a massive mess

94 replies

HurtingInSilence · 30/11/2023 20:08

Hi. This is very long but I am so very lost and would please appreciate some advice.

Some weeks ago, my husband started what I thought was a sexy talk game where we tell stories about being with other people. It started to turn very accusatory and I called him out on this and explained he was makimg me feel umcomfortable, like he thought I was some sort of slut.
I should probably add that my mother passed away just a few days before this started. I believe this is relevant. I still havent had tje headspace to grieve properly for her.

He then admits he saw text messages on my phone from 15+ years ago - really sick sex game stuff that I have zero knowledge of. He is utterly convinced that he has been reading sexy texts on my phone from about ten guys on and off throughout our marriage, that i invited one of these people into our bed, that I shagged this person in front of our kids (toddlers at the time he thinks this happened).

The gaslighting side of this comes in as he is SO convinced by all of this that I started questioning my own memories.
He gave me an ultimatum of confessing or he was leaving me. We have had a great relatiomahip in my opinion - notbqitgout it's ups and downs of course. Fell in love as teenagers, married young and became parents after just a year together. I absolutely adore him, and I thought he did me. We had a very bad year early'ish in our marriage where he was emotionally abusive towards me calling me names and that nobody else would love me so I should just stay with him (I had put a lot of weight on after having 2 children in close succession). I did look to find someone else to love me, this person was kind to me and took me out for lunch. I stayed at his flat once however had no condoms so we didnt sleep together but we did hold hands and kiss. It lasted about 3 weeks, maybe less. My husband found out about this and I was truly ashamed that I had ever done this and vowed never to repeat this. I remember this experience in vivid detail, which is why I'm so baffled that I remember nothing at all about the other things my dh talks about. My dad passed away about 2 or 3 weeks after dh found out as well. I was a daddys girl and it really affected me that I had let him down, I wasnt raised that way. I still carry the guilt of that today and absolutely take full responsibility

Anyway...

As he has dripfed information about all these 'affairs' to me, I have then created a story to go with it that fits his narrative. I have effectively confessed to shagging about 8 people, had a threesome, met up in some dark road to climb into someones car and fuck.

He has alao confessed to having 2 affairs in 2008 and 2009, one quite lengthy and one more of a fling (with his friends gf!). He sent me their names and photographs too.

To say I am devastated would be an underatatement but I'm not allowed to ahow this as he vlbelieved what I have 'done' is so much worse. He is truly broken by all this, and I don't know what to do to help him. I'm finding myswlf repeatedly apologising for things I haven't done to make him feel better.

He also wanted to sexualise scenarios he said he read about so he makes me reenact them with his details, he then gets himself off with these stories. He tells me he appreciates my honesty and it fucking shatters my heart everytime.

WTF have I done here? And how TF do I fix it? I know I shouod never have confessed to things I havent done, my brain went into fight or flight mode and him leaving just was not am option I could consider.
I have tried telling my dh the full truth several times but he thinks I'm just lying to protect myself and geta very angry. I would too if I believed as strongly as he does.

A few weeks ago I did have him arrested as he pinned me down on our bed and hit me twice around the head. I confess i did bite him on the forearm and gave him a nasty bruise but that's literally the only way I could defend myself.

I truly want our relationship to work. We have had a very strong relationship up until the last couple of months. We have been together 20 years, I am very hesistant to throw all that time away for what I believe is a mental issue on his part. I want to support him. He does have severe anxiety and recently diagnosed with depression.

I have an excellent relationship with his mum and have told her everything. He is furious with me for this. I now know her and her dh have been through some almost identical scenarios over the years and wonder if this is somehow just how my dh is wired? I dont think that is even possible though really.

Sorry, I know this is so long. Replies may be sporadic, I'm not really allowed to use my phone so much so dh will be mad if he kniws I've posted here.

OP posts:
CherryBlossoms88 · 01/12/2023 03:36

God I hope this isn’t real! If so pls get out of this relationship, it’s not healthy at all!!

However if this isn’t real…..
I’d give this an IMDb rating of 6.5….a decent psychological thriller so far

BrimfulOfMash · 01/12/2023 04:39

OP this is a serious situation.

Whether he can help it or not (i.e if he is having mental health issues) does not change the fact that this is not safe, physically, emotionally or psychologically.

I am so sorry about your Mum, you are so vulnerable atm. Stop blaming yourself for this and start putting the safety of you and your kids first.

Do you have access to any savings ?

Nonplusultra · 01/12/2023 05:07

This situation can’t be good for him either op; it can’t be helping him to confuse his reality like this. But it’s quite possibly a strategy that is keeping you safe and alive right now. This is way, waaaay beyond your capacity to help or fix him. He needs professional help.

One of the biggest barriers to women getting out of abusive relationships is that many (maybe even most) don’t see themselves as a victim of abuse by a bad man. Instead they see themselves as strong, loving women married to a deeply troubled, weak man. So they don’t recognise the danger they are in.

You’re on the road to becoming a statistic. How old are your dc? Are they old enough to cope with your murder? You know how devastating the loss of your dad and mum have been.

For what it’s worth I don’t think you did anything wrong when you started a relationship with that other man. You weren’t cheating - you were moving on. I can’t help but imagine that your dad was looking on, wishing you joy and happiness and safety. He’d probably be devastated that his memory trapped you back into an abusive marriage.

I’m so terribly sad for you that your dh has used those bewildering, devastating bereavements to further entrap you and increase his control. Most normal people want to support their partners, and be that steady dependable rock. You’re trying to be that for him right now. But when he saw your grief, he only saw an opportunity.

If you find the strength or clarity to leave you are going to have to be very, very careful. Men like your dh are most dangerous when they sense their control slipping away. The most likely time for him to kill you is when you try to leave. Please be very careful op.

HappyAxolotl · 01/12/2023 05:25

OP please get out now and take the children with you. Yer Man is deeply dangerous. He has already assaulted you at lest once that you admit to and he is abusively playing with your mind.

Yes he might have suddenly come down with a mental illness out of the blue but he is dangerous to you and the children!

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 01/12/2023 05:29

CheekyHobson · 30/11/2023 20:18

I really think he has mental health issues beyond what confirmed.

Im finding myswlf reassuring him that these 'affairs' will never happen again because I would rather hurt myself than hurt him.

I mean this kindly, but if you are making up affairs to go along with his sick fantasies and gaslighting and you are excusing physical abuse on the grounds he hasn't done it before, you also have mental health issues that need addressing urgently.

This. I am very concerned about the children in this relationship.

sleepdeprivedma · 01/12/2023 06:11

Please for the sake of you're children LEAVE. This is so messed up x

ChaToilLeam · 01/12/2023 06:51

The best time to leave was long ago. The next best time is now. Get yourself and your children away from this deranged, unstable man.

kneehightoacat · 01/12/2023 08:51

Sorry to hear this

Your relationship cannot work. Impossible as he is an abuser

You need to accept this and het away soon as you can

sleepdeprivedma · 01/12/2023 22:21

How are you doing OP x

Ollifer · 02/12/2023 08:18

If he's not actually psychotic the only thing I can think of is he's recording you saying all this stuff you've done to use against you as either blackmail or something if you try and leave? Are you sure he's not recording your conversations? Have you been texting any of this stuff saying about the sex with 8 other men or whatever it is?

Usernamechange1234 · 02/12/2023 08:37

Domestic abuse is an adverse childhood experience, the damage from ACEs is far reaching into adulthood. My concern here is your children. For their sake you need to get out. Put your children first and prioritise getting away from this abusive man.

Changedname23 · 02/12/2023 09:26

Your children must come first and they must be taken away from this man. Agree with the others that it sounds like some sort of mental health breakdown. I don't think you or them are safe. Please listen to all the other posters on here, you need to get yourself to a safe place.

Seagrassbasket · 06/12/2023 16:04

@HurtingInSilence are you ok? Please come back and tell us how you are doing.

Mom2K · 06/12/2023 16:48

I truly do adore him and would happily spend my life with him.

Yes but you shouldn't. I mean this kindly...you really need to get some counseling to help you see the situation clearly and to understand why you feel this way and learn how you can do better for your life. Especially if you have children. Staying in this relationship is not only detrimental to you but will cause tremendous damage to your children.

northernlight20 · 06/12/2023 16:53

This can’t possibly be real??! If it is, it’s beyond fucked up.

Seagrassbasket · 06/12/2023 21:31

@northernlight20 I’m suspecting it’s not tbh as the OP hasn’t been back.

Sone people have vivid imaginations!

Hopelesscase32 · 06/12/2023 22:01

I say this with absolutely no malice. But please find some self respect. You want this relationship to work? You want your kids to grow up seeing these kinds of things
It doesn't matter if he has a mental illness or not, that doesn't make it ok

alvinp · 07/12/2023 06:32

This relationship has been broken for a long time. It's not you, it's him. And you can't fix him. You really, really can't fix him. You may think that after 20 years together it's too late to move on but it's not. It is never too late. Be strong for yourself and your kids and get away from him, permanently.

Ofcourseshecan · 07/12/2023 07:09

DoubleTime · 30/11/2023 20:33

Get out of there with your children whilst the parents are staying, whilst you still have the chance.

This. He is a serious danger to you and the children.

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