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I've fallen for gaslighting and made a massive mess

94 replies

HurtingInSilence · 30/11/2023 20:08

Hi. This is very long but I am so very lost and would please appreciate some advice.

Some weeks ago, my husband started what I thought was a sexy talk game where we tell stories about being with other people. It started to turn very accusatory and I called him out on this and explained he was makimg me feel umcomfortable, like he thought I was some sort of slut.
I should probably add that my mother passed away just a few days before this started. I believe this is relevant. I still havent had tje headspace to grieve properly for her.

He then admits he saw text messages on my phone from 15+ years ago - really sick sex game stuff that I have zero knowledge of. He is utterly convinced that he has been reading sexy texts on my phone from about ten guys on and off throughout our marriage, that i invited one of these people into our bed, that I shagged this person in front of our kids (toddlers at the time he thinks this happened).

The gaslighting side of this comes in as he is SO convinced by all of this that I started questioning my own memories.
He gave me an ultimatum of confessing or he was leaving me. We have had a great relatiomahip in my opinion - notbqitgout it's ups and downs of course. Fell in love as teenagers, married young and became parents after just a year together. I absolutely adore him, and I thought he did me. We had a very bad year early'ish in our marriage where he was emotionally abusive towards me calling me names and that nobody else would love me so I should just stay with him (I had put a lot of weight on after having 2 children in close succession). I did look to find someone else to love me, this person was kind to me and took me out for lunch. I stayed at his flat once however had no condoms so we didnt sleep together but we did hold hands and kiss. It lasted about 3 weeks, maybe less. My husband found out about this and I was truly ashamed that I had ever done this and vowed never to repeat this. I remember this experience in vivid detail, which is why I'm so baffled that I remember nothing at all about the other things my dh talks about. My dad passed away about 2 or 3 weeks after dh found out as well. I was a daddys girl and it really affected me that I had let him down, I wasnt raised that way. I still carry the guilt of that today and absolutely take full responsibility

Anyway...

As he has dripfed information about all these 'affairs' to me, I have then created a story to go with it that fits his narrative. I have effectively confessed to shagging about 8 people, had a threesome, met up in some dark road to climb into someones car and fuck.

He has alao confessed to having 2 affairs in 2008 and 2009, one quite lengthy and one more of a fling (with his friends gf!). He sent me their names and photographs too.

To say I am devastated would be an underatatement but I'm not allowed to ahow this as he vlbelieved what I have 'done' is so much worse. He is truly broken by all this, and I don't know what to do to help him. I'm finding myswlf repeatedly apologising for things I haven't done to make him feel better.

He also wanted to sexualise scenarios he said he read about so he makes me reenact them with his details, he then gets himself off with these stories. He tells me he appreciates my honesty and it fucking shatters my heart everytime.

WTF have I done here? And how TF do I fix it? I know I shouod never have confessed to things I havent done, my brain went into fight or flight mode and him leaving just was not am option I could consider.
I have tried telling my dh the full truth several times but he thinks I'm just lying to protect myself and geta very angry. I would too if I believed as strongly as he does.

A few weeks ago I did have him arrested as he pinned me down on our bed and hit me twice around the head. I confess i did bite him on the forearm and gave him a nasty bruise but that's literally the only way I could defend myself.

I truly want our relationship to work. We have had a very strong relationship up until the last couple of months. We have been together 20 years, I am very hesistant to throw all that time away for what I believe is a mental issue on his part. I want to support him. He does have severe anxiety and recently diagnosed with depression.

I have an excellent relationship with his mum and have told her everything. He is furious with me for this. I now know her and her dh have been through some almost identical scenarios over the years and wonder if this is somehow just how my dh is wired? I dont think that is even possible though really.

Sorry, I know this is so long. Replies may be sporadic, I'm not really allowed to use my phone so much so dh will be mad if he kniws I've posted here.

OP posts:
Freakinfraser · 30/11/2023 22:22

AllEars112232 · 30/11/2023 22:13

OP, please read this. Your DH isn't just depressed, he is seriously mentally unwell and you are fuelling his psychosis! They is absolutely no telling what he is capable of.
If you love him like you say you do, then ve
get out (protect yourself first, if not for you for your children) and very help for him.
He desperately needs it!

I’m sorry, but I’d argue the op is also very mentally unwell and needs help,

these people have children, they are both engaging in this dysfunctional chaotic and quite frankly sick dynamic.

he’s getting off on it, she’s enabling it, feeding it, no one healthy mentally undertakes either role.

Nicole1111 · 30/11/2023 22:22

You’re being physically, psychologically and emotionally abused, controlled and coerced and gaslit. You are not safe. Your children are not safe. Your partner is very very very unlikely to change, mainly because right now he’s created a narrative where he’s right and you’re wrong so he’s got no motivation to change. That means the responsibility is on you as a parent to protect your children. If you don’t I wouldn’t be at all surprised if social services tried to remove your children and in this situation I have no doubt that that would be safer for them than staying with you and your husband. The short and long term impact of exposure to domestic abuse is also very well documented and researched so it would protect them from this.

TeaGinandFags · 30/11/2023 22:36

Your husband is a sadist. And not in the nice way. He enjoys hurting you. He gets off on watching you squirm and the fact you called the police but haven't left is just one big effing thrill to him. It's the thrill of the power trip.

You need to get the fuck out of that marriage because he has life insurance on you that he would like to cash. Or do youbthinknhis own flesh and blood would protect you ehen he can always find snother wife? Or how much fun it would be to do it under their noses and cry for sympathy and help if challenged?

GET OUT PDQ!

whattodo22222 · 30/11/2023 22:36

I think this is the most disturbing relationship I've read about on MN.

Hiddenvoice · 30/11/2023 22:47

Op I know you adore him and want to be with him forever but I think you need some time apart to realise you’re being abused.

He’s trying to manipulate you and convince you that you have cheated. It very much feels to me that he’s cheated and is just trying to turn the blame on you to ease his own guilt.

The fact that he’s then hurt you and the police have been involved is just awful. Listen to your manager, they can obviously see that this is not a good situation.

What has your sister said?

Think of this logically and honestly- if your sister or your closest friend came to you and you explained all of this to you, would you tell them tk stay with their husband or would you tell them to leave?

Right now you need to put yourself and your child first. Contact womensaid, reach out to family and friends, get support to leave. Right now this isn’t a situation you can fix with counselling or talking, this has become serious.

TeaGinandFags · 30/11/2023 23:00

OP you are in more dangervthan you realise.

His patenrs are not your safety net. They are his alibi.

Haffiana · 30/11/2023 23:02

Where do you draw a line, OP? You are fine with him hitting you, abusing you, 'cos love.

Would you be fine with him hitting your children? Would you still love him? Do you love him so much that it would be OK for him to be controlling and abusive to your children? Would you want to work through it and understand him, and stay with him and make it work if he was abusing your children?

If not, then what is the difference?

altmember · 30/11/2023 23:05

He then admits he saw text messages on my phone from 15+ years ago - really sick sex game stuff that I have zero knowledge of. He is utterly convinced that he has been reading sexy texts on my phone from about ten guys on and off throughout our marriage, that i invited one of these people into our bed, that I shagged this person in front of our kids (toddlers at the time he thinks this happened).

I don't get this bit, are you saying he really did find these messages on your phone and mis interpreted the 'sex game' as real? And you just don't remember about the game or the messages? Is it just something he's pretending as part of this messed up fantasy game you've been playing? Or is he completely psychotic, dreamt it up and believes it?

Mirabai · 30/11/2023 23:16

I’m really concerned that his sexual paranoia is a form of psychosis.

Keep safe OP. Contact WA. This is one toxic mess.

CantThinkOfAUsername100 · 30/11/2023 23:25

He sounds like hes got MH issues. For your own sake, please find a way to leave. He’s already hit you. There’s red flags all over this. This is the most bizarre post ive ever read

makeminealargeoneagain · 30/11/2023 23:29

He is utterly abusive, dangerous and mentally unstable. You must leave immediately for your own safety and that of your children. You need professional counselling. Contact womens aid and leave him forever. Get out before he kills you.

Vretz · 30/11/2023 23:30

The chances of him finding text messages from 15yrs ago, assuming you've changed phones, is remote. It wasn't until about 10 or so yrs ago that texts could transfer over easily I believe.

What doesn't stack up is why you'd tell him a story. It feels like he's incredibly angry because he's discovered you've been serial cheating/lying.

It would match his actions, the considerable rage, so I genuinely dont think the OP is being entirely truthful. The children would be 16+ by now, so children's social services wouldn't be involved to safeguard - given we allow 17yr olds to drive... There's factual inaccuracies in the OPs story.

I can believe the OPs partner has been violent though, so I don't think she's lying about the anger/police.

It sounds like you need a divorce.

CumbrianYorkshireHybrid · 30/11/2023 23:31

Are you the OP who posts about your Iraqi (Iirc) husband?

Teenagehorrorbag · 30/11/2023 23:34

He sounds really sick and probably very dangerous!

But think back to the start of your OP. What did he mean by reading texts on your phone from 15 years ago? Did he show them to you? What was his 'evidence'? Or is he saying he read them 15 years ago and is only now raising the subject? Weird!

I can't get past the idea of you agreeing to all sorts of crap just to shut him up - why wouldn't you just deny and deny again? Something is really odd here......

But leaving aside all of that stuff - any man who won't let you use your phone as and when you choose, and in private - is an emotional abuser and you want to get very far away! Now!

ElvesAreReal · 30/11/2023 23:36

webster1987 · 30/11/2023 22:14

The most concerning part of this incredibly unhealthy and frankly down right weird situation is that there are children in this. And also he's saying you've had sex with other men in front of your children?! I can't see how this relationship has been without problems for 20 years and now this. He has to end for the sake of the children, let alone yourself

The moment I read that part my brain screamed "get out now".

He is abusive. What would have happened if you didn't stop his attack on you? What happens next time?

Leave.

Therealjudgejudy · 30/11/2023 23:43

This is one of the most messed up things I've ever read on here. Put your children first and leave this toxic shitshow of a relationship.

FinneganFois · 30/11/2023 23:44

"I'm not really allowed to use my phone so much so DH will be mad if he knows I've posted on here"

This alone is abuse, hope you realise this and get out. You say you have been together 20 years but he has changed and your situation and safety have changed. He is damaged and could hurt you, please get out, reach out to your friends and family and help yourself.

Greaterthanthesumoftheparts · 30/11/2023 23:45

Can I just say what an amazing manager you have. Please keep engaging with them and let them help you.

MsRosley · 30/11/2023 23:58

I truly do adore him and would happily spend my life with him.

If you're not making all this up, then you seriously need help. You seem to have absolutely no idea what constitutes a healthy relationship.

Stressedafff · 01/12/2023 00:00

I have a CSF leak through repeated beatings round the head by my partner. You need to GET OUT NOW. Leave whilst you’re able to, leave before he damages you beyond repair, for yourself and your kids. This man isn’t someone to adore, or spend your life with. Please listen to everyone on this thread. He’s not mentally ill he’s an abusive sack of shit.

Canisaysomething · 01/12/2023 00:18

This is an awful environment for your kids to be in, it isn’t going to get better.

momonpurpose · 01/12/2023 00:19

Get your children out of this before your manager reports you to ss. As a manager myself that is exactly what I would do. Fine for you to not save yourself that's your choice but your children come first. If this is true.

JellyBeanFactory · 01/12/2023 00:21

How old are your children?

I can only echo what everyone else has said - Get out. Now. You need to leave tomorrow.

Cherryberrypie · 01/12/2023 00:24

This is very, very disturbing.

it sounds like the plot of a horror movie where we can all predict the end.

Get yourself and your kids out of that house today while you are still breathing.

His parents don’t sound completely sane either.

Anele22 · 01/12/2023 00:29

How are you OP? Thinking of you 💐

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