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I'm so confused. How can he be so cruel?

89 replies

watchingfromthesideline · 27/11/2023 02:44

My heart is broken and I just don't know what to do.

Recently I have been feeling more than ever that my husband is distant and places himself into family life when it suits him. We've had quite a few discussions and he's said "I'm sorry that you feel like that" and things have been a bit better. Out of no where yesterday the bombshell came, he's not happy and no longer wants to continue with our marriage. We're parents to the most wonderful toddler who doesn't deserve this, my husband has suffered with depression a couple of years in due to the stress of the birth. He says he can't continue because it's not fair on me, he's unhappy. He says I don't make him unhappy but I also don't make him happy. He says he doesn't know why he's unhappy but he knows he can't live the rest of his life like this. I have pleaded with him to try marriage counselling, he refuses saying it won't sort this. He assures me there's nobody else, I half believe him. He says he knows he's the world's worst husband right now to do this but he has to. Yet he can't give me enough reasons as to what is making him unhappy. My heart is broken, I can't sleep or eat, it's killing me. I thought we were happy. He's fast asleep and was making his tea whilst I was in bed with sick toddler. The most upsetting part is, he says that he confided in a family member back in April that he wasn't happy and he's apparently been trying since then to change how he feels. I can't see any evidence of him trying and he won't even give our marriage and family life a chance. He will still continue to be a dad to our toddler and will not shirk responsibility, but cannot try for his wife. I'm so devastated for the life I dreamt of.

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LaDerniereVacheFolle · 14/01/2024 22:11

OliveToboogie · 14/01/2024 21:43

"Cherche une autre femme" . I would bet my mortgage on it. He may not have been unfaithful yet but he is laying the ground work. Very few men leave a marriage without somewhere to go. I'm sorry 💐💐💐

RTFT.

redastherose · 15/01/2024 16:07

@helpmekeepmycalm if you haven't already seen a solicitor to get good legal advice please do so and don't let him dictate how things go. Do not negotiate with him directly please get advice in relation to what are your entitled to.

helpmekeepmycalm · 15/01/2024 20:27

Thanks for all your advice. I have started the search for a solicitor, worried about how I will pay for it but keen to no longer be linked to this piece of shit.

He's so arrogant, today he has had a 55inch tv delivered aswell as his new bed and he's been washing their new bedding set and it's all out drying on the landing! It's like every time he doesn't get a reaction, he pushes a bit more. It's killing me not to react but I know it's more powerful. He even stood infront of the doorbell camera earlier on the phone to her flirting with a beaming smile. Makes me sick to my stomach.

I think we reached an agreement on child contact last night but he hasn't responded to my email outlining the plan, so wondering if she has now had her input. Honestly, this woman has either turned him into an arrogant monster or he was just hiding it all along. He has decided that our child's birthday is the day he is moving out. Could he be any lower?!

helpmekeepmycalm · 15/01/2024 20:38

He's now just brought his new (awfully floral) bedding set down and made a point of putting it on the radiator to dry! Shaking it about lots to make it known what he was doing.

I feel like he's desperate to make me go crazy so he can make me look like a psycho.

Lastnight when I wanted to discuss the child arrangement, he's said "I'm not talking to you whilst you're in this state". It's the second time he's said it but both times I haven't been stressed. It's like it will take his guilt away and validate his actions more if he can ruin me and make me look crazy!

OhComeOnFFS · 15/01/2024 20:42

I'm so sorry. I did laugh at the awful floral bedding - ffs are you supposed to be jealous of that?

I would have to say something about him moving out on your child's birthday. That is exceptionally cruel.

PieAndLattes · 15/01/2024 20:46

The trash is taking itself out, and taking its horrible duvet. I hope this goes as well as it can for you. I wouldn’t even mention your child’s birthday - he has shown you who he is and you can see him clearly now. He’s been lying and gaslighting you for months so this additional layer of shittiness should come as no Surprise. At least he has freed you up to find someone worthy of you. I hope you are getting some real life support. Well done on the grey rocking. Don’t bother trying to talk to him anymore. Put everything in writing.

Noshowlomo · 15/01/2024 20:47

@helpmekeepmycalm sorry if I’ve missed it but is he moving in with her?
god he’s a c*nt! It’s so strange what they become when they’re lead by their cocks.
Do what you’re doing- grey rock, emotionless. Fuck him.

SameToo · 15/01/2024 20:47

He’s goading you. Then if you rise to it he’ll say you’re crazy. What a pathetic excuse for a man. I never understand how people can be like that.

Sending hugs

SequentialAnalyst · 15/01/2024 20:50

You managed to name change midthread? I thought MN software didn't allow that. (I am not doubting you are who you say you are, btw.)

Just puzzled, because I just found your thread, selected and read all your posts, but there was nothing from this year. So scrolled to end, and found you under a different name.

helpmekeepmycalm · 15/01/2024 20:52

I haven't actually asked if it's his place or their place. I have been very clear that she does not meet my child until we have discussed it as her parents. However I have a suspicion that she has already met our child and he is continuing to lie.

I get the feeling the plan is that it's their home when neither of them have their children. Honestly the bedding has completely confused me, it's like he's shagging a Nanna if that's her choice!

Not long until my counselling starts, thank goodness. I'm going to need it.

AnneLovesGilbert · 15/01/2024 21:11

You’re doing amazingly well to stay so calm and dignified. He’s making a twatty spectacle of himself, what a pillock. Have you got real life support to lean on? 💐

abbey44 · 15/01/2024 22:27

Men who do this think they’re so special, but they’re so fucking predictable…. The mental gymnastics they go through to rewrite history (and completely believe their new version) is mind-boggling. Well done on keeping your dignity - apart from anything else, it’ll infuriate him.

I would recommend researching good solicitors who specialise in family law, they will probably cost more than run of the mill solicitors, but might well work to your advantage in the long run. Ask if you can come to an arrangement to defer the fees and pay they’ve negotiated a settlement. My second set of solicitors did this and were worth every penny – I wish I’d found hem sooner (my first ones were much too soft and I ended up giving way in far too many points).

Be prepared for things to get worse before they get better, especially if he has this OW egging him on and whispering in his ear. You will be surprised at how dirty he’ll fight, but keep your mind fixed firmly on the afterwards. You will get through this and you and your child will find a better place without him.

Lesvaillantes · 16/01/2024 08:55

Good luck finding a good lawyer op! I would make that your first priority and ask about staged payments.

I’d be very tempted to deposit something nasty inside the duvet cover but well done for maintaining your dignity. People have their own views about men who call their ex gfs or wives “crazy” as it says more about them tbh.

Don’t let him dictate the pace. Good luck.

Banquet · 16/01/2024 09:10

Hopefully him and his shitty bedding is gone soon, as hard as it is now you are well rid! What a nasty, devious POS!

Kosenrufugirl · 16/01/2024 09:24

This was me one year into my first child's life. I was blissfully unaware how unhappy he was. My DH was also suffering from depression at the time. There was no other woman. He kept saying I wasn't supportive. This was hard to hear because life with a toddler is tough. We eventually muddled through our differences mostly because he didn't want to live separately from his child. I begged him to get counselling for depression which he did. That helped a lot. Still he wasn't happy with me or his life. I know i will be blasted for saying this on Mumsnet but at the time I wasn't the attentive or supportive wife, all my attention was on my child. As my husband was a really good dad I thought it was in my child's best interest to secure my husband staying in the family. That motivated me to make changes in my marriage. Do you like reading? I would recommend 5 Languages of Love and Why Women Talk and Men Walk. We slowly crawled out of the hole we were in, that took a few years. Fast forward 10 years and we are very happy together. Even went on to have another child. I hope it helps

Beaniehats78 · 16/01/2024 09:36

This is so heartbreaking, I really feel for you but think you are being an absolute boss! Good for you for not playing his games!

And honestly, what does this new woman think she is getting?! I could never trust a man that had cheated his wife and child to be with me! That relationship is doomed from the start.

You can pretty much guarantee that the future looks bleak for the both of them but can trust that's yours hold much better times. Clearing the way for someone worthy of you! Hugs.

onawave · 16/01/2024 09:55

God, it's all so miserably predictable isn't it. Let her have him and their shitty floral bedsheets. She's got a cheater that will leave his wife and child. He's got a woman who will sleep with someone else's husband. Nether of them have got much of a prize have they.
Best wishes to you OP. Stay strong and don't let the twat have the reaction he so obviously wants from you.

Kosenrufugirl · 16/01/2024 11:06

Kosenrufugirl · 16/01/2024 09:24

This was me one year into my first child's life. I was blissfully unaware how unhappy he was. My DH was also suffering from depression at the time. There was no other woman. He kept saying I wasn't supportive. This was hard to hear because life with a toddler is tough. We eventually muddled through our differences mostly because he didn't want to live separately from his child. I begged him to get counselling for depression which he did. That helped a lot. Still he wasn't happy with me or his life. I know i will be blasted for saying this on Mumsnet but at the time I wasn't the attentive or supportive wife, all my attention was on my child. As my husband was a really good dad I thought it was in my child's best interest to secure my husband staying in the family. That motivated me to make changes in my marriage. Do you like reading? I would recommend 5 Languages of Love and Why Women Talk and Men Walk. We slowly crawled out of the hole we were in, that took a few years. Fast forward 10 years and we are very happy together. Even went on to have another child. I hope it helps

Apologies I have written the above without realising you found the evidence of your husband's cheating. I am so sorry for you finding yourself in this situation. I suppose the frank conversation is now in order. Where do you both want to go? Marriages could recover from infidelity however it would take effort on both parties. Is anyone willing to try?

helpmekeepmycalm · 17/01/2024 11:49

So it's our child's birthday today and he's currently packing up the car, ready to move out. I can't believe how insensitive somebody can be, to make your child's birthday now being about moving out, is a whole new level of low. I'm shaking, I haven't said a word and I can't look at him.

How will I ever get through this!

SequentialAnalyst · 17/01/2024 12:19

We've all got your back.
The main thing is that he is going.
Just get through today.
Sending strength, and BrewBrew

itsmylife7 · 17/01/2024 12:35

Wave the cheating fucker goodbye with a smile on your face.

YOU will be ok and get through this.

Lesvaillantes · 17/01/2024 12:52

helpmekeepmycalm · 17/01/2024 11:49

So it's our child's birthday today and he's currently packing up the car, ready to move out. I can't believe how insensitive somebody can be, to make your child's birthday now being about moving out, is a whole new level of low. I'm shaking, I haven't said a word and I can't look at him.

How will I ever get through this!

That’s awful op. I’m so sorry. The insensitivity of it is mind-boggling. I hope he’s proud of himself 😡

It won’t seem like it now - and of course you are heartbroken - but honestly you are better off without this heartless excuse of a man (actually he’s so immature I don’t know what to call him!) .

Remember this was a man who couldn’t even respectfully tell you the truth about the other woman and he lied about being unhappy and it all being about not making you happy. Pathetic excuses. Do you really want to be with someone with so little integrity?

You WILL get through it. Give yourself time. One foot in front of the other. Don’t let him win. Build a better life for yourself. You deserve it.

JustExistingNotLiving · 17/01/2024 13:01

@helpmekeepmycalm he us clearly showing his true colours.

A small consolation is that your dc won’t remember that, being a toddler.

In the mean time, you know you can’t rely on his goodwill or even in him being a good (enough) father so I’d protect myself in anyway possible.
Keep stuff in writing re him seeing his dc. As well as when he doesn’t stick to the agreement, doesn’t buy presents etc….

A good thing, he’ll be gone very soon (if not already). That will be a big relief not to have to grey rock him constantly.

BlastedPimples · 17/01/2024 14:16

Definitely another woman.

CuriousityKilledThePussy · 17/01/2024 14:31

BlastedPimples · 17/01/2024 14:16

Definitely another woman.

You think?
oh, and RTFT