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I think DH has a thing for this woman

91 replies

Oliveandrose · 26/11/2023 00:19

And should I be worried or just pass it off as a harmless crush?

I’ve been with DH for 11 years, married 9. Always been secure, we both have friends of opposite sex and have a loving relationship.

There’s a woman who he occasionally works with, maybe once every 4-6 months. He never mentions her but I’ve seen how he looks at her. He’s googled her and searched for her on FB.

Last year Xmas party, I was talking to some of his colleagues across the room. He was walking to me but locked eyes with her totally fixated and as he walked straight passed her he looked down her dress.

This years Xmas party which was tonight he kept looking at her all night thinking I couldn’t tell. He’s usually an extrovert but when she came to speak with us he was like a shy teenager and kept rambling on nonsense. It’s humiliating. She is out of his league and I’m sure he knows this and realises he doesn’t have a chance in hell. But what if he did? Or do I just have it all wrong? She is such a pleasant young woman and seems to have good morals, so I trust her. Not him. I’ve never had reason before to not trust him but now I’m so confused 😕

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Usernamen · 26/11/2023 14:29

Frasers · 26/11/2023 14:26

It is likely to develop from merely looking inappropriately at this woman

what the hell. Because every woman just says yes if a man is persistent enough. Is it fuck likely to develop. How often does the op have ti write the woman isn’t the issue.

I don’t mean develop into an affair! I mean progress to chatting up, texting, flirting etc. Depending on the line of work OP’s husband is in it could put his job at risk as workplaces are increasingly cracking down on this sort of behaviour, especially if it is unwanted.

willWillSmithsmith · 26/11/2023 14:30

Usernamen · 26/11/2023 14:19

I am the woman in this scenario. I am by no means hot or charming, I just happen to be the only young woman this man has any exposure to at work (male dominated industry). I can tell you that being checked out by a middle-aged man at work is beyond embarrassing and really unprofessional. In my case he is much older (17 years) which makes it even more cringey.

What I will say is that OP needs to nip this in the bud ASAP. The old guy I work with has progressed from checking me out to chatting to me about personal things. I have ZERO interest. It’s really difficult to navigate as I don’t want to draw attention to it, but I am looking to leave the company soon (unrelated reasons) so I’m just biting my tongue for now.

The most striking thing is how perfect this man’s life seems to be - lovely wife, great kids, affluent lifestyle, etc. Why chat up a young female colleague? I mean, seriously, why would you?

Back to the OP, I agree with PP, trust your gut and keep confronting him about this. It is likely to develop from merely looking inappropriately at this woman.

Do you find yourself tempted by the man at work then?

Seen your update. I misinterpreted your last paragraph.

WowOK · 26/11/2023 14:39

Nofilteritwonthelp · 26/11/2023 11:54

But he's not being discreet at all, in fact he's embarrassing himself, disrespecting his wife and probably making this poor colleague uncomfortable too

"The only saving grace is that I don’t believe anyone else noticed."

"Sadly. I think he shuns her because he doesn’t want to make an idiot of himself or he doesn’t want her to know he has an enormous crush on her so is desperately trying to hide it."

He is being discreet. She sees because she knows him inside out.

Usernamen · 26/11/2023 14:39

willWillSmithsmith · 26/11/2023 14:30

Do you find yourself tempted by the man at work then?

Seen your update. I misinterpreted your last paragraph.

Edited

Not even slightly.

I am not attracted to single middle-aged men, never mind the married ones with kids.

Pinkbonbon · 26/11/2023 14:56

The whole turning their back on eachother thing...maybe she cottoned on to his eye flirts/sleazing and gave him a 'wtf?' look so he had to reign it in. And she also made a point of standing with her back to him then too.

It seems odd that he'd give her the 'love' look if he'd only met her on the odd rare occasion over the years though doesn't it?

I'm assuming he doesn't travel with his work so there's no way they could be in touch throughout the years?

JustCleaningtheBBQ · 26/11/2023 16:51

Maybe the humiliation approach is worth a shot if he's gaslighting you when you're asking him directly?

As PP said, you could say you overheard some colleagues laughing about the way he was looking at her and how they felt sorry for you? Maybe he needs to think that others have noticed and think he's a bit of a lech?

This is just a way to shock him into realising he's not getting away with it. He still needs to accept that this is hurting you and he is putting his marriage at risk with his behaviour. If you genuinely believe he would have an affair if she was up for it, there is a problem.

monstrousindecision · 26/11/2023 16:54

I'm sorry OP that sounds very hurtful. Are you in a position to take yourself away from the house for a few days/a week? You don't have to blame him but explain that you found it very difficult. It might pull him to his senses a bit, and help you process it too.

monstrousindecision · 26/11/2023 17:06

you can also explain that you won't be joining him at next years's party.

if it's any comfort, i don't really know the look you are talking about it, it's not one my husband (or any other man) has ever given me - I think it may just happen to good looking people!

CubaLibre23 · 26/11/2023 17:16

What did he say when you asked him why he had googled and FB searched her?

He can't exactly gas light about that.

Though no doubt he'll try some BS a out it being work related.

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Christmasspud · 26/11/2023 17:31

I'm not sure there's anything you can do @Oliveandrose if he has a crush or thinks he's in love with her. All you can do is to continue being yourself because nothing you say to him at the moment will help you in any way. You've tried broaching the subject but he is even denying that he finds her attractive.

Oliveandrose · 26/11/2023 19:34

Christmasspud · 26/11/2023 17:31

I'm not sure there's anything you can do @Oliveandrose if he has a crush or thinks he's in love with her. All you can do is to continue being yourself because nothing you say to him at the moment will help you in any way. You've tried broaching the subject but he is even denying that he finds her attractive.

I think this pretty much sums up the situation.

So many posters said to say he’s made a fool of himself etc and others had noticed, but like I mentioned at the beginning, that’s not the case. Nobody did notice, he was so discreet and made sure he was. When others are around and could notice, is when he shunned her. I only noticed as I was paying attention. I don’t even know if she realised he was checking her out etc as he was discrete and only did so when she wasn’t looking. The only thing she likely noticed was the eye fuck/prolonged eye contact, which she engaged in. But as a female, when a man has walked by me and made eye contact I’ve held it too, so I don’t believe for a moment that she was maintaining his gaze because she is interested in him. She likely does not even realise he likes her like that. He is so fucking clever and discrete. He’s not like the office letch some of you have described. Nobody would have laughed at him in the toilets because nobody would have noticed. So when I say I can’t take that approach, I mean it. I’m not stupid despite feeling it.

I can’t just engage in a conversation with him either, in jest or seriousness as he will deny deny deny.

I did ask him before about why he googled her and he said he needed to check something out as something didn’t add up. Again, another time I asked him and he just said it’s something for work.

I told him today that I saw how he looks at her and not to bother insulting my intelligence and denying it. Of course, it’s “all in my head”…

We have both had crushes before, we usually speak about them and lightly tease one another. I know they’re normal. I think though this is more than a crush on his behalf as he’s denying it and being different in how he behaves and looks when she’s around.

I will reiterate what I said before. She’s not the problem, it’s him.

I am going away for a few days I need some space.

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Crikeyalmighty · 26/11/2023 19:59

@Oliveandrose 18 years ago my H (in his early 40s at the time) had a huge crush on a very young woman (21) who did some work for us. I found a lot of texting going on at the time via bills but obviously could only see the amount he was sending- not what was in them- we had a huge row at the time and the texting went down a great deal. I kind of put it to the back of my mind- 10 years later I found a drawer full of mills and boon slushy songs and poems he had written at the time (he dated them) about this person plus CDs where he had recorded these songs with him singing and playing guitar.

I can only say if I had found these at the time- he would have been toast. As it was a lot of time has passed and they were not in contact anymore. All I can say is I do know how you feel, I felt I had been taken for a total mug- they had lots of work trips together too and tons of time together. I will never know if it was more than he said it was. He just says it was a crush on his side only and he went too far. He doesn't know why he did it other than lots of things in life were going wrong at time. It wasn't about me apparently .

I certainly saw him in a new light and if I'm honest have never100 felt the same, it was incredibly out of character too.

I would in your case tell him how it made you feel, that you take a very dim view etc and if he is attracted to someone to either keep it in his head out of respect for you or you will have to consider your position!!

fruitpotato · 27/11/2023 00:56

It seems odd a twice a year meeting would give you intense crush like he fell in love. I think she must have noticed and probably enjoying it which is why she came over to talk and then tagged teams with him by following his steps when he turned his back, I think they are in sync with each other because there is a mutual connection. If a man I disliked stared at me I would look away, if he looked down my dress I would have avoided him for the rest of the night not walk up to him and chat. Religions as a barrier to cheating is a poor justification, we had religious figures committing paedophilia and rape. Basically I agree with @Orio2023 completely, even about looking after her mum being a factor in making her more vulnerable to acting out of character like cheating.

MsDogLady · 27/11/2023 01:28

@Oliveandrose, am I correct that there was a difference in H’s approach at the two parties? Overt vs covert? Last year you observed his and Suzanne’s extended, reciprocated “locked eyes” as he walked toward you. As he passed her, his gaze traveled down her dress. She must have been aware. He obviously felt confident that the gazing and intimate drooling were good moves.

This year his mind and eyes were again laser focused on Suzanne, but with subterfuge — sly staring with a loving expression, hovering in her orbit, repositioning himself whenever she approached, verbal bumbling when interacting. His agenda appeared to be protecting his, or their, investment. His faithless behavior must deeply sting.

You surmise that, although Suzanne engaged in the eye frisson last year, she probably does not realize his infatuation. I beg to differ, especially if she saw him perving down her cleavage. This year she clocked his turning away whenever she approached, which was a ‘tell’ regarding his extreme crush, as was his stumbling/babbling when they spoke. She must know. Perhaps she has set a boundary since last year, or is possibly colluding with him to hide in plain sight.

Do you know if they privately call or message each other? His investment of emotional energy and his behavior change is incongruent with seeing her only a few times a year.

Well done for confronting him with the obvious. I’m sorry that he chose to deny, stonewall, and shift the blame by claiming it’s “all in your head.” This is, of course, the manipulative Script. He clearly feels no remorse for humiliating you, and refuses to acknowledge the truth of his actions and feelings. Your taking space is a wise decision.

@Oliveandrose, all you can do is assert your boundaries and set down what you won’t accept in your marriage. For me, this would include his degradation of my feelings and his devaluation of marital equality, honesty and loyalty. I know that I couldn’t come back from this.

Leanne1191 · 27/11/2023 06:45

CubaLibre23 · 26/11/2023 17:16

What did he say when you asked him why he had googled and FB searched her?

He can't exactly gas light about that.

Though no doubt he'll try some BS a out it being work related.

I'm not a troll!!!

I just don't get why people have to be soo rude! If you don't have anything nice to say keep your comments to yourself. People ask for advice yet people like yourself have to report others for speaking facts about the nasty remarks others make!!!!

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