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Found out my partner has been messaging doms/escorts our entire relationship

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Illannna · 09/11/2023 11:51

Ok so I want to start by saying my partner has a very intense fetish and that is he likes to be dominated, but in particular likes to be choked. This isn't news to me however he was somewhat ashamed when first telling me years ago. Over the years (been together just under 7), he has asked I participate in his fantasy and at times I have although don't really enjoy it but have done it as i love him and know thsts what he is into. He has bought me the outfits, shoes, gloves, pays for me to get nails done as i dont usually have fake nails. Since having our first child 2 and half years ago, our sex life has plummeted because I'm not that interested to be honest and he also has never pushed the topic. Lately we've been having sex once ever 3 to 4 weeks. We also have an 8 month old so life is busy. Apart from this our relationship is pretty good. He is a great dad, works hard (stressful job in law enforcement), and does his share around the house. He doesn't go out much at all and is home from work looking after the kids.
Last week I went on his phone to send myself pictures, and an app suddenly disappeared. I went into his app store and saw the app kik was last searched. I confronted him about this and asked him what was up was it a dating app and he told me he had been using it atleast monthly for the last 10 or more years to talk to dominatrixes or fetish escorts as an initial conversation to wank over. He told me he essentially was wasting there time as they mostly aren't even in the same state or country but liked reading the idea of setting up a session to be choked/dominated. He has never paid one and never gone to one in person and i do believe this. He has also been watching this kind of porn roughly 3 times per week. When I told him that was cheating on me he believes he was being deceitful but didn't think he was cheating!?? He told me he felt relieved as this had felt like a dirty secret his had for a long time and now its finally out. He told me it's something he knew was wrong but didn't feel he had a good handle on as I guess the urges are pretty strong. He told me he never pursued it further then the initial chat because it's something deep down he knows isn't healthy and doesn't want to do (he is a pretty sensible guy). He was extremely apologetic and told me he wants to get help for although i know its not something he will ever be free from. We also discussed him talking to a therapist around 4 years ago when he told me the thoughts were of him wanting to pass out from choking and he never went. He told me he doesn't want anything to jeopardise our family (as I told him he HAD by doing this knowing it was wrong) and wants to go cold turkey from it and see a councillor. He has booked into the GP for a mental health plan to see a sex therapist. I've continued to be normal in front of our kids but largely I've told him we need couples therapy too to move past this. I'm wondering if I'm being naive here and whether this is something he can move away from or if it will always be apart of him. I'm so scared of the thought of being a single parent of 2 young kids but right now I'm so upset he betrayed me. He has been respectful towards me and extra helpful. Told me whatever he needed to do to make me trust him he will do. I'm so worried the trust is gone. Help!

OP posts:
porridgeisbae · 09/11/2023 16:57

He's not fantasising about choking people

I mean, I would find that a bad sign, although I maybe shouldn't.

But he isn't.

Bookworm20 · 09/11/2023 16:59

Crikeyalmighty · 09/11/2023 16:48

@MrsKeats - clearly you and me are very uncool finding it worrying that someone working in law enforcement has kinks involving choking. Personally I'm non accepting of any kind of kinks involving beating, strangling, choking, cross dressing, pissing or crapping on another etc- but hey that's clearly the norm these days, so I'm happy to remain in the 'uncool' club

Well i'm in the uncool club too then.
I too find it worrying someone in that profession has fantasies involving violence. He could well have fantasies about doing or watching the same being done to others. But he's hardly going to voice those is he?

And I'd consider that cheating too. He admits he knows it was wrong, yet did for 10 years? OK then.

Bookworm20 · 09/11/2023 17:04

Op I hate to say it, but doing that for 10 years? I think you are about to uncover a whole shit ton of other stuff. Lets face it, they only admit to the absolute bare minimum.
A bit like the blokes who get caught visiting a sex worker the very first time they do so. How utterly unfortunate hey?🤔

porridgeisbae · 09/11/2023 17:16

@Bookworm20 If his fantasies were that way round, he would've been asking OP to be the chokee rather than the choker.

It's not like that's an unknown thing for women to accept nowadays unfortunately.

Crikeyalmighty · 09/11/2023 17:25

I'm absolutely baffled what shit some women go along with these days just to be in a relationship. Maybe some enjoy these 'kinks ' but I'm pretty sure many don't and feel obliged to accept them rather than look a prude.

holrosea · 09/11/2023 18:39

Hi OP,

Personally I think the most important part is that you feel betrayed.

I agree with the posters who have said that kinks are deeply ingrained and highly personal - he will not be "fixed" and nor should he be. However, that is beside the point when the issue seems to be that:

  1. You don't share or even mildly enjoy his kink. Side note: I agree with @FunkyKittens in that he's pushing you to dress a certain way and do this to him, as opposed to enthusiastically engage with something you get off on too.
  2. You feel betrayed because you didn't know about the app he was using and the conversations he was having with other people to get off.

Cheating is a tough thing to define when you are talking about behaviour online - he may never have met anyone but a partner could certainly be hurt by someone sharing intimate and personal details of their lives outside the marriage.

For me, the key thing is that you he did't tell you he was regularly contacting others, he knew it was wrong on some level if he now feels like a dirty secret is out, and other's people's interpretations don't matter if you feel that his behaviour has crossed a line for you.

Others have also raised valid points about the mismatches between you. You would do well to consider, alone or with a therapist, if you see your marriage lasting long-term and whether you are prepared to work on it with someone who has betrayed your trust.

I am urging you to really focus on you and your emotional and sexual boundaries here. Only you can choose what you want and need, and whether this marriage still fits with that. xxx

Catoo · 09/11/2023 18:58

If this were me, I’d be done.

I’d look to a future of me and the DC building a life and home together. Where my partner didn’t ask me to choke him while I was dressed like an idiot. Where he didn’t visit other women for this when I wouldn’t do it. Where he wasn’t getting off watching BDSM porn in the next room. Where there was no chance my DC would accidentally see or overhear something disturbing.

I would find pretending all this wasn’t under the surface all the time exhausting.

I hope you can find some peace OP.
💐

Ianz · 09/11/2023 20:41

I personally think that you are both not compatible with each other and neither of you are truly happy in the relationship.

Illannna · 09/11/2023 22:37

Hey! I asked him to re download the app and he did so without hesitation so I saw the response from the lady. She is an escort from another state (I looked her up) and was just talking to him about nail colours. He likes hands, nails etc that's part of the kink. He has said to me he wants to have an open phone for me to check whenever but I told him I don't want to do that as that just perpetuates this whole thing for me. He has never been sketchy with his phone around me before, I've known the password but don't generally go on it unless I'm looking at pictures of the kids.

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booksandbeans · 09/11/2023 22:51

Kik is a messaging app, mainly for kids, sometimes adults. I think there is an internal dating site app as well. It does not trace content of messages or phone numbers so hard to police & is rumoured to host child porn exchanges.

cheating is a lesser worry compared to these strong fetishes of your dh. However you gave married & had children with him knowing this about him. He needs to get help to try to lessen his dependency on them. You need boundaries & clear expectations of what you want for the marriage to continue.

Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:06

@thewonga thankyou for sharing! I do believe he is being sincere with his apology and want to make things work and am glad things worked out for you. @CombatBarbie He has researched therapists who specialise in kinks and also couples therapy more to fully accept this part of himself and ways to manage it. I've attempted this in the past I.e smothering rather then choking as I was getting uncomfortable with how hard he wanted me to push it. He accepted this but I don't think it was doing it for him. I have previously also told him to see a professional as it's not something I can fully do but he strongly said he didn't want to? He also shared that when he was around 20 and really ashamed he did hypnotherapy to help but it didn't. My biggest thing is he lied and did it behind my back knowing I'm pretty understanding and have been open about him seeing a Dom and even us going to a Dom together so I could learn and get more confident. I no longer want to do this now though.
I honestly don't believe he has met anyone, he wouldn't have the time. He doesn't go out and if he does it's coffee dates with other dad friends with the babies.
@FunkyKittens In the beginning when he hadn't fully explained what he wanted I did stomp on him, squeeze his balls, order him around etc etc and he did not like it. It's extremely specific to the visual of hands, choking and talking about what I'm doing/seeing.
@josuk thankyou I think those are all really helpful suggestions.

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Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:06

@thewonga thankyou for sharing! I do believe he is being sincere with his apology and want to make things work and am glad things worked out for you. @CombatBarbie He has researched therapists who specialise in kinks and also couples therapy more to fully accept this part of himself and ways to manage it. I've attempted this in the past I.e smothering rather then choking as I was getting uncomfortable with how hard he wanted me to push it. He accepted this but I don't think it was doing it for him. I have previously also told him to see a professional as it's not something I can fully do but he strongly said he didn't want to? He also shared that when he was around 20 and really ashamed he did hypnotherapy to help but it didn't. My biggest thing is he lied and did it behind my back knowing I'm pretty understanding and have been open about him seeing a Dom and even us going to a Dom together so I could learn and get more confident. I no longer want to do this now though.
I honestly don't believe he has met anyone, he wouldn't have the time. He doesn't go out and if he does it's coffee dates with other dad friends with the babies.
@FunkyKittens In the beginning when he hadn't fully explained what he wanted I did stomp on him, squeeze his balls, order him around etc etc and he did not like it. It's extremely specific to the visual of hands, choking and talking about what I'm doing/seeing.
@josuk thankyou I think those are all really helpful suggestions.

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monsteramunch · 09/11/2023 23:12

The bottom line is he's asked you to participate in sex acts that he knows don't turn you in, that make you uncomfortable and despite him knowing that, he would ideally like you to participate in sex acts that are even more extreme.

I don't know about you but I couldn't get turned on by the idea of, or the reality of, my partner doing something sexual with me that I knew they didn't really enjoy.

IMO people who do get off experiencing on sex acts with someone despite knowing the other person doesn't really like them are unhealthy sexual partners for that other person.

It means sex is more about his kink being fulfilled than it is about enjoying a healthy sex life with that particular partner.

I would never, ever want to be with someone so selfish and, in my opinion, actively unkind.

Newnamehiwhodis · 09/11/2023 23:19

I’m the first one to say “leave”, but in this case it sounds like he’s being honest with you, and this is something he’s committed to working on.
it sounds like it’s rooted in some damage.
I don’t know either of you, obviously, so I’m just going by tone here.
if you’re not into what he’s into, don’t do it - don’t do that to yourself, unless you enjoy it.
If it’s something he can’t heal or “get a handle on,” you may have some thinking to do.
I don’t usually think sexual fantasies need “healing,” but this one sounds actually dangerous for him.

if he’s committed to doing the work, I don’t see what you have to lose by giving him some time.

Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:19

@monsteramunch
You are right. And I feel that's probably why I don't want to have sex at all because I feel it was purely about him. Not necessarily about the kink as he honestly doesn't bring it up that much anymore (did ask me to do a session for him for his birthday in 2 months) but just sex felt a chore and for him to cum only.

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SwordToFlamethrower · 09/11/2023 23:28

Does sex with him satisfy all your needs op?

Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:33

@Newnamehiwhodis thankyou for your reply. We've talked about how it may have formed and we do understand he may never know. He can remember these feelings as early as 10 Years old though. He has expressed that he knows its not healthy as the implications can be pretty severe if something was to go wrong. This was my biggest thing about 4 years ago when he would speak about passing out from it. There is no safe way to do it. I've done a lot of researching on this. He is keen on therapy which I'm honestly really happy about but also know it can take a while to find someone decent and helpful and hope that doesn't dampen or dishearten him.

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Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:36

@SwordToFlamethrower honestly no. However as sad as this is I can't name a time I've really enjoyed penetrative sex in general. I've clearly got my own issues going on too.

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monsteramunch · 09/11/2023 23:37

Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:19

@monsteramunch
You are right. And I feel that's probably why I don't want to have sex at all because I feel it was purely about him. Not necessarily about the kink as he honestly doesn't bring it up that much anymore (did ask me to do a session for him for his birthday in 2 months) but just sex felt a chore and for him to cum only.

Goodness me. His idea of a treat is for you to concede to doing something sexual he knows you done like. He sees that as a treat. As something he'll really enjoy. That isn't just unappealing, it's worrying don't you think? That isn't what a healthy person who genuinely loves and cares about you could enjoy.

Imagine finding out your partner hadn't felt comfortable with a sex act they did with you, you'd be upset and feel sad they had experience that right? Not only has he found that out and not been upset about it. He's proactively asked you to do that again for his pleasure. He's disgusting.

Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:44

@monsteramunch wow yeah. When it's worded like that it feels awful. How could he just dismiss my feelings. How selfish

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Msmbc · 09/11/2023 23:46

Hear hear, a million times. So much kink shaming on this platform. He should have been open and honest about what he was doing, but i can understand why he wasn't given both of you, and society, think his sexual desires are disgusting. I can totally understand why it's really hard being with a partner whose kink you don't share but if the solution is to surpress or "fix" it then something like this is inevitable.

Hope you can find a way forward, you both sound like lovely people x

monsteramunch · 09/11/2023 23:50

Msmbc · 09/11/2023 23:46

Hear hear, a million times. So much kink shaming on this platform. He should have been open and honest about what he was doing, but i can understand why he wasn't given both of you, and society, think his sexual desires are disgusting. I can totally understand why it's really hard being with a partner whose kink you don't share but if the solution is to surpress or "fix" it then something like this is inevitable.

Hope you can find a way forward, you both sound like lovely people x

Do you really think he sounds like a "lovely person"?

This isn't about his kink specifically or anyone's opinion of it. It's about how he treats his kink in relation to his partner.

His idea of a treat is for his partner to concede to doing something sexual he knows they don't like. He sees that as a treat. As something he'll really enjoy. That isn't just unappealing, it's worrying don't you think? That isn't what a healthy person who genuinely loves and cares about you could enjoy.

Imagine finding out your partner hadn't felt comfortable with a sex act they did with you, you'd be upset and feel sad they had experience that right? Not only has he found that out and not been upset about it. He's proactively asked her to do that again for his pleasure. He is turned on by that scenario. He's disgusting.

Msmbc · 09/11/2023 23:52

That's really not how it sounds from the OP's different posts.

Msmbc · 09/11/2023 23:53

Also sorry my hear hear is for an earlier post (page 1) which i was replying to but for some reason doesn't show up in my comment

monsteramunch · 09/11/2023 23:56

Illannna · 09/11/2023 23:44

@monsteramunch wow yeah. When it's worded like that it feels awful. How could he just dismiss my feelings. How selfish

And it's sexual coercion in my opinion.

He knows you want to treat him for his birthday so it's more likely you'll to concede to a sex act you don't enjoy and would never ever choose yourself to do, that he knows you don't enjoy and would never ever choose to.

He's positioned you doing it as a treat for him, as something in the 'if you really love me, you'll do this for me' realm.

He's created a situation where you saying no is you ruining his birthday and not wanting to make his birthday about him.

Honestly the more I read your posts again the more angry I am at how he has broke down your boundaries and pressured you to consent to something he knows you don't enjoy and would never choose to do if he didn't ask you to do it.

I just cannot imagine a world in which a fundamentally decent person can be partaking in a sex act they know their partner doesn't enjoy and still be turned on.

And you shouldn't IMO ever be in a relationship with someone you don't believe is a fundamentally good person. Or someone who isn't a safe sexual partner. Which he absolutely isn't.