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Found out my partner has been messaging doms/escorts our entire relationship

77 replies

Illannna · 09/11/2023 11:51

Ok so I want to start by saying my partner has a very intense fetish and that is he likes to be dominated, but in particular likes to be choked. This isn't news to me however he was somewhat ashamed when first telling me years ago. Over the years (been together just under 7), he has asked I participate in his fantasy and at times I have although don't really enjoy it but have done it as i love him and know thsts what he is into. He has bought me the outfits, shoes, gloves, pays for me to get nails done as i dont usually have fake nails. Since having our first child 2 and half years ago, our sex life has plummeted because I'm not that interested to be honest and he also has never pushed the topic. Lately we've been having sex once ever 3 to 4 weeks. We also have an 8 month old so life is busy. Apart from this our relationship is pretty good. He is a great dad, works hard (stressful job in law enforcement), and does his share around the house. He doesn't go out much at all and is home from work looking after the kids.
Last week I went on his phone to send myself pictures, and an app suddenly disappeared. I went into his app store and saw the app kik was last searched. I confronted him about this and asked him what was up was it a dating app and he told me he had been using it atleast monthly for the last 10 or more years to talk to dominatrixes or fetish escorts as an initial conversation to wank over. He told me he essentially was wasting there time as they mostly aren't even in the same state or country but liked reading the idea of setting up a session to be choked/dominated. He has never paid one and never gone to one in person and i do believe this. He has also been watching this kind of porn roughly 3 times per week. When I told him that was cheating on me he believes he was being deceitful but didn't think he was cheating!?? He told me he felt relieved as this had felt like a dirty secret his had for a long time and now its finally out. He told me it's something he knew was wrong but didn't feel he had a good handle on as I guess the urges are pretty strong. He told me he never pursued it further then the initial chat because it's something deep down he knows isn't healthy and doesn't want to do (he is a pretty sensible guy). He was extremely apologetic and told me he wants to get help for although i know its not something he will ever be free from. We also discussed him talking to a therapist around 4 years ago when he told me the thoughts were of him wanting to pass out from choking and he never went. He told me he doesn't want anything to jeopardise our family (as I told him he HAD by doing this knowing it was wrong) and wants to go cold turkey from it and see a councillor. He has booked into the GP for a mental health plan to see a sex therapist. I've continued to be normal in front of our kids but largely I've told him we need couples therapy too to move past this. I'm wondering if I'm being naive here and whether this is something he can move away from or if it will always be apart of him. I'm so scared of the thought of being a single parent of 2 young kids but right now I'm so upset he betrayed me. He has been respectful towards me and extra helpful. Told me whatever he needed to do to make me trust him he will do. I'm so worried the trust is gone. Help!

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Jewelspun · 09/11/2023 12:41

Divorce.

firstmummy2019 · 09/11/2023 12:56

They all say that though! I just looked at the adverts. Then I just texted/ phoned. Then I drove there but couldn't go through with it. If you delve a little deeper, I'm sure you will find more evidence.

Ask for his phone and passwords and see what his reaction is.

seeyounexttuesluv · 09/11/2023 12:58

Divorce. The bloke is gonna end up having a life altering/fatal stroke from being regularly choked. So dangerous!

Crikeyalmighty · 09/11/2023 13:00

I myself would be very alarmed that a bloke in law enforcement was into being choked to such extremes etc- get out lovely, one day he may well go too far.

thewonga · 09/11/2023 13:04

This is a tough one. All I can say is wherever you are at is okay and whatever decision you make is okay.
Things like this are really hard to get advice from on Mumsnet.
Here you will only get the answers of 'LTB' or 'it's fine my husband does it all the time'

In reality I feel the concept of cheating can be hard to define in the world of technology. I have a similar story if it helps.
A few years ago my husband had followed someone on OnlyFans, I'd found out myself and felt this was cheating. He did not at the time.
We almost split but did a lot of work and set clear boundaries that weren't there before. He now agrees and considers it cheating to do that. He also no longer watches any porn and we had therapy, both separately and together.
Important to note I never took any of the blame for the situation and even now years down the line we can bring up the topic without it being a sore point of conversation for either of us, it's open and calm.

In your case obviously if this is a hard line for you it could be that your best course of action is to end things. I don't know what your relationship is like otherwise. It does sound like he's apologetic - maybe that's my reality bias.

You need to be cautious that if you choose to forgive and move on from this, where do the boundaries lie? Is it okay him to continue doing this if you know he isn't wanting any contact? If not, does he want to remain in a relationship where he knows it's unlikely a sexual fantasy to be fulfilled.

People are often put down for sexual fantasies but we all have them to some extent, whether it's the feeling of intense love and closeness while in the moment or choking. Any women on Mumsnet is told if their sexual needs aren't being met then they should be free to search for a new partner without shame.

I don't know how anyone could advise you one way or the other as this will be completely personal to you and your needs. Just remember your own boundaries are important, both to be put in place and to be accepted by a partner.

CombatBarbie · 09/11/2023 13:06

See, kinks in people are always seen as shameful, dirty or they are made to feel they are not normal.

I wouldn't class what he was doing as cheating tbh. He has been open with you that it's your thing, but it's not yours and that is fair enough. He's chatted to get a thrill which is enough for him to control his desires. If he had paid for it, I can see how that would then damage the trust.

I'm not overly comfortable with him having to go see a sex therapist, if it's to understand his kink, fine but it sounds more like it's to try "cure/fix" him, which is wrong. His kink is about him, it's not like he wants to choke other people.

Couples therapy, yes I think it would help with how your communicating, but please stop making him feel he's a bad/dirty person. There's so much information out there on how kinks develop and trust me there are far worse ones!!

Starbeeees · 09/11/2023 13:09

Escorts don’t give anything for free, and they sure aren’t wasting time chatting on Kik. kik is a messaging app cheaters love and it’s not strictly a dating app however

Jewelspun · 09/11/2023 13:19

What happens when you choke him and he accidentally dies? That's going to make for a very difficult conversation with your children isn't it?

josuk · 09/11/2023 13:34

Kik is a chatting app, not a dating app. All kinds of people chat on in. And plenty of escorts approach you on there.

OP - your situation is tough. You seem to have major incompatibilities.
He has a strong kink you don’t share.
His libido is still there. Yours declined post children and you are barely having sex.

I get it that in some ideal world you’d prefer him to lose his libido too and get his ‘kink’ fixed. But I don’t think it’s fair.

I don’t think what he did was cheating.

He tried to find an outlet to his libido/kink in a way that doesn’t put you under pressure.

It’s possibly just one step off regular porn to stimulate imagination.

If he wants to get help with it - it must be his choice.

But in the same time - as a couple you need to figure some things out. Your mismatched libido and his kink won’t disappear.
As you don’t want sex much, and don’t enjoy choking him - why not let him use his imagination for that?
You can ask him to be transparent and agree on boundaries, etc.

CombatBarbie · 09/11/2023 13:53

Starbeeees · 09/11/2023 13:09

Escorts don’t give anything for free, and they sure aren’t wasting time chatting on Kik. kik is a messaging app cheaters love and it’s not strictly a dating app however

Hmmm there are loads of chat groups on Kim especially surrounding kink..... Not soley a cheating app 🙄🙄🙄

GoldDuster · 09/11/2023 13:55

One persons' kink is another's mental health "problem". In reality it's not going anywhere, sexuality is incredibly nuanced, it's not like smoking, he can't just "give it up" in the same was as you can't get into it for him.

I'd say you need to focus on your incompatibilities as a couple rather than putting the onus on him to become "free from" his deviance.

FunkyKittens · 09/11/2023 14:01

His version of domination doesn't sound like domination at all - just topping from the bottom.

By that I mean that he tells you what he likes and how he wants it and he expects you to perform to order. It's all about his wishes and needs and he is actually the one in charge.

Perhaps if you dominated him by telling him that you were going to wear what you wanted and if he didn't do more of the bloody housework you weren't going to choke him but you were going to spank him with a cane and lock his penis in a chastity cage for a week he might become more useful.

As for this one...

What happens when you choke him and he accidentally dies? That's going to make for a very difficult conversation with your children isn't it?

Maybe you could just explain to them that sometimes mummies and daddies stop loving one another and one of them has to and live on a farm but that it isn't their fault. 😂

MrsKeats · 09/11/2023 15:55

Isn't his behaviour worrying children concerning since he works in law enforcement? The strangling?

MrsKeats · 09/11/2023 15:55

*given

Burnamer · 09/11/2023 16:00

@MrsKeats what on earth do you mean?
plenty of people get off on thoughts of naked people - they can still walk down the street as no harm to society. Why does having a link indicate a total lack of control?

MrsKeats · 09/11/2023 16:01

That someone with choking fantasies might be dangerous?
Is this hard?

Burnamer · 09/11/2023 16:05

do you think that a proclivity for being choked translates to an uncontrollable desire to force someone else to be choked?
why would this be the case when a proclivity for (eg) naked women can be controlled by the vast majority of those into that?

The kink doesn’t make someone a monster. There are rapists who are in to all sorts of things but you are conflating 2 completely separate things.

Doggymummar · 09/11/2023 16:05

Not him doing the choking tho, is it?

Burnamer · 09/11/2023 16:07

Anyway, OP I’d be going through his phone with a fine tooth comb. If I could prove that there is nothing more then I’d give counselling a go I think. If there’s any more than he has said I would be gone.
I wish you all the best - it’s a really tough situation.

PosterBoy · 09/11/2023 16:08

Do you believe it's true but it counts as cheating? Would there be room for compromise in him using erotica/written short stories on kindle? There's plenty out there.

Or do you think he is lying and used to meet up with dommes?

Honestly, having known loads of dommes, this is one fetish I wouldn't have any issue about my partner paying for tbh. It might count as sex work but the women don't usually do anything sexual themselves or interact in a sexual way (or, not in one I would personally find threatening in any case). But that's just me. If my partner wants to pay someone else to degrade him, more fool him.

However .... it's often not the only thing these types of men get up to. If he is meeting dommes he could also be going to sex clubs and indulging in other sexual fantasies.

PosterBoy · 09/11/2023 16:09

MrsKeats · 09/11/2023 16:01

That someone with choking fantasies might be dangerous?
Is this hard?

That makes no sense at all.

Pashazade · 09/11/2023 16:14

Whatever you decide, I don't think counselling is likely to change his kink but as pp said it could lead to medical risk so make sure he's got good life insurance if nothing else!

category12 · 09/11/2023 16:21

It's really unlikely that someone with a deeply engrained fetish like this is going to toddle along to therapy and be cured.

You would be better thinking in terms of - if you want to stay together, is this something you can accept? If you believe he hasn't physically cheated, could you be comfortable with him continuing to message people and get his rocks off that way? (Of course if you agreed to that, he might want to push it further and want to start meeting dommes. Some people are OK with that as long as there's no sex).

I don't think you can hope to police or fix his sexuality - you'll be on high alert forever and it's just no good for anyone.

porridgeisbae · 09/11/2023 16:25

@MrsKeats No, it's fantasy but also his fantasies are about being choked , not choking other people.

OP- I did give up BDSM, so it can be done.

But I don't believe he's just been messaging them TBH. A lot of them say that when caught.

Crikeyalmighty · 09/11/2023 16:48

@MrsKeats - clearly you and me are very uncool finding it worrying that someone working in law enforcement has kinks involving choking. Personally I'm non accepting of any kind of kinks involving beating, strangling, choking, cross dressing, pissing or crapping on another etc- but hey that's clearly the norm these days, so I'm happy to remain in the 'uncool' club

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