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I just have to accept it and give her my blessing to go don't I?

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BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 19:09

DD is 9, Year 5.

Split with her dad when she was 18 months old. He was abusive to both of us proved in family courts but he still got unsupervised access. DD also has SN and a medical condition.

DD is in denial about her conditions, says theres nothing wrong with her and rejects any adjustments or attempts to help her. She has an EHCP but if the TA tries to work 1-1 with her even outside of class she gets upset and refuses to go saying she doesn’t need to. She can read and write but struggles due to dyslexia and dyspraxia which she denies she has. She hates school and would rather not go. She tells me she hates me for forcing her to go – she doesn’t like a single thing about school apart from playtime, lunchtime and hometime. School keep trying to get her to work 1-1 but no consequences work, she isn’t bothered about anything they do. She’s not violent, and sending her out of the classroom is exactly what she wants, so they just have to leave her.

ExH tells her she’s perfect. He took me to court for contact and originally wanted full residency without visitation for me, he obviously didn’t get it but he still tells DD that I’m the mean woman who won’t let him see her more. With him they sit in the pub his family runs during contact, they have soft play inside and a park outside, she gets free icecream and gets to feel important. She’s been told she wouldn’t go to school she’d be homeschooled so ExH could focus on the pub – he never does any school runs as he says it’s not his choice to send her.

So she’s been saying that she wants to live with ExH. She’s always said it, from when she was 3. I tried to prove parent alienation in court when she was 5 and was basically laughed out of court and told if I tried it again I’d see my residency time cut to 50/50.

She hates me for sending her to school when she knows that ExH wouldn’t make her. ExH wouldn’t get her an education either. I don’t get a single penny in maintenance as he’s apparently a volunteer at the pub and gets no benefits or has any income he lives elsewhere though in a place that needs paying for and he has a car

I know if I had ExHs backing it’d be fine but I hate myself for thinking it but I cannot compete. I’m starting to think letting her go is the best way forward. She is always going to hate me for sending her to school which she hates. It’s a school in general problem as I had to move house between Year 2 and 3 so changed her school and she hates this one as much as the last and she’s in a smaller class and has her own 1-1 support covered by her EHCP. She is going to end up resenting me for it and theres nothing I can do – she doesn’t want to go to a special school, she says theres nothing wrong with her.

I’m giving it until half term then letting her go fulltime to her dad, because I can’t do this anymore, the arguments over her not wanting to go to school, breaking myself trying to force her in so I can earn an income and keep a roof over her head, the tears as I drop her off shouting and hitting me again because she doesn’t want to be there, her teacher calling me yet again to say she’s not even picked up her pencil and they don’t know what to do with her because consequences don’t work.

Didn’t post in AIBU as I know I’ll be slaughtered, but I don’t have any other options do i? She is going to end up hating me and I can’t do that, so I’m doing the only thing I can and letting her go.

I know I’ll never see her again while she’s a child but I have to do whats right for her and school isn’t the right place for her and I need her in school to earn money. At least this preserves our relationship.

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ManchesterGirl2 · 17/09/2023 22:39

You're not thinking straight. Think how an adult would feel if their mother gave them away to an abusive father at age 9, when they were too young to understand he would be abusive, and then she never saw them for years. An adult can understand "I hated school but my mum was doing her best to get me an education". They will never understand "my mum abandoned me to my abusive dad".

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 17/09/2023 22:43

I really do think sometimes nature beats nurture.

She is refusing all engament and help at 9. She's not going to have some epiphany during puberty, famous for helping children have sound mind and reasonable emotions, if they are of the same mind and thought he is never going to stop dripping poison into her ear.
It's not going to get better.

I would follow your plan. Book Half term as AL. Make every single day perfect. Pour every ounce of love into her you can. And sit her down when she's happy and tell her that you want her to be happy and live the life she wants. That she can live with her Dad. Tell her how much you love her and how you will always be there.

And free both of you.

Weirdreally582 · 17/09/2023 23:04

Your relationship will never be repaired if you send her to live with her dad.

He has successfully alienated her against you whilst she LIVES WITH YOU, imagine how much worse it will get if she lived with him fulltime?

I know two adults ( not related ) a man and a woman, who were alienated against a parent and they still dont see/speak to them now. One moved in with their father as a teenager and still doesnt speak to their mum now

I cant advise against the school situation but I really wouldnt let her live with her dad fulltime,

throughgrittedteeth · 18/09/2023 19:54

BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 22:18

Thank you everyone, I am definitely going to try and get more support for us.

I think with the right support DD would learn to tolerate school so I will definitely call an early EHCP review and see what help we can get. Her school are fantastic and trying their best but we need to do more.

I will hold off sending her to her dad, you're all right that it's not in her interests however much she hates me now. I am not bothered about qualifications or her future as that can be decided at any age, but I do need to stop these battles and the guilt of sending her.

You can refer yourself to get help from a family worker OP, school can refer too. It might help

Bluedabadeeba · 18/09/2023 23:50

I can understand how difficult this is for you. How awful.

I don't see how sending her to an abuser will preserve your relationship. Probably the opposite. She will resent you for abandoning her - and soak up your Ex's narrative.

Fast forward 10 years, what on earth would she be doing without ANY education from 9yo, especially without learning tools to manage her SN/medical issues. Do you want that life for her?

Protect her from her abuser. Find support. Find a way. You owe it to her and yourself.

wildwestpioneer · 19/09/2023 07:14

My friends ds hated school so he ended up in a collage type setting, which he's thriving in, he simply couldn't cope with mainstream school.

Runaway1 · 19/09/2023 12:35

ManchesterGirl2 · 17/09/2023 22:39

You're not thinking straight. Think how an adult would feel if their mother gave them away to an abusive father at age 9, when they were too young to understand he would be abusive, and then she never saw them for years. An adult can understand "I hated school but my mum was doing her best to get me an education". They will never understand "my mum abandoned me to my abusive dad".

Absolutely this.

BecomingtheNRP · 21/09/2023 17:56

And just to add insult to injury, I've been sanctioned on my little bit of UC because DD was late to school (refusing to go) and I missed logging on for an online UC catchup meeting, I've appealled and been told that the sanction applies and I have to try harder to get her in on time.

School are doing their best but she flat out refuses to engage with them. I've called an early EHCP review but i'm not hopeful as I've been told they're looking to cut her funding not increase it.

I can't do this. She's better off with him.

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MollyButton · 21/09/2023 21:45

You are not thinking straight. And next time prioritise the UC thing if it's online.
Her behaviour is a form of communication. Does she have a EHCP? If not start the process of requesting one yourself.
If she does ask for a review which records her school reluctance and what the school are doing. Maybe she needs a greater level of support.

BecomingtheNRP · 21/09/2023 21:53

MollyButton · 21/09/2023 21:45

You are not thinking straight. And next time prioritise the UC thing if it's online.
Her behaviour is a form of communication. Does she have a EHCP? If not start the process of requesting one yourself.
If she does ask for a review which records her school reluctance and what the school are doing. Maybe she needs a greater level of support.

@MollyButton She has an EHCP I've called an early review but school aren't hopeful we'll get more support/intervention, they've said the council will be more interested in cutting the support because she doesn't access the full amount (due to her reluctance to!)

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Holly03 · 22/09/2023 18:02

It's not misinformation I home educated my child last year. Yes they do come out and do visits, I know many refuse but i would rather not have children's services visit me through refusal. I also had to send in examples of my child's work and a report of what they were doing every year. This is in the north so may be different in other areas but no i refused to constantly push back at the local authority.

Freezingcoldinseptember · 22/09/2023 18:54

My ex had home visits. By ds's own admission he bought cakes from Tesco and passed them off as his handy work and downloaded generic gcse work from online...

category12 · 22/09/2023 19:11

OP, I think you need to find another way, anything but handing her over to your ex. If he stops contact as you think he will, then he will poison her against you and you won't even see her when she's an adult.

Home-school her yourself and work part-time, get the maximum benefits help you can. Perhaps only do things she likes as home-schooling, forget trying to formally educate her, go for life skills and anything that catches her interest.

I know it's thankless and you feel rejected and destroyed by her behaviour, but don't give up on her.

elliejjtiny · 22/09/2023 22:56

I'm so sorry this is happening. Parenting a child with special needs is tough. Is there any alternative schools near you that she might prefer, like one that has a soft play or a swimming pool? Or can you ask for therapy or other provision that she might like to be put into her ehcp? I know some children at my dc school go and do gardening, horse riding and surfing during school time funded by their ehcp.

MollyButton · 23/09/2023 10:13

Are you part of any parental support groups?
Do not accept what the school says. They should be doing more to help her, or it is not the right setting for her.
Try to get LA special advisors/educational psychologists involved.
If she has a diagnosis then contact any National charity for that diagnosis and contact their helpline/local groups. They can both offer moral support and local based advice.

BecomingtheNRP · 23/09/2023 11:07

category12 · 22/09/2023 19:11

OP, I think you need to find another way, anything but handing her over to your ex. If he stops contact as you think he will, then he will poison her against you and you won't even see her when she's an adult.

Home-school her yourself and work part-time, get the maximum benefits help you can. Perhaps only do things she likes as home-schooling, forget trying to formally educate her, go for life skills and anything that catches her interest.

I know it's thankless and you feel rejected and destroyed by her behaviour, but don't give up on her.

@category12 I will not homeschool, I hated it during covid. DD loved it as she got up late, ate, did a couple of hours of whatever subject took her fancy (never English or Maths) and then played all day. My hair fell out from the stress of trying to get her to do English and Maths, I cannot go through that again.

Plus financially I need to work full time, I get DLA for DD but it doesn't even come close to covering our costs. I get no maintenance from ExH and I just cannot not work. I absolutely love work as well.

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BecomingtheNRP · 23/09/2023 11:08

elliejjtiny · 22/09/2023 22:56

I'm so sorry this is happening. Parenting a child with special needs is tough. Is there any alternative schools near you that she might prefer, like one that has a soft play or a swimming pool? Or can you ask for therapy or other provision that she might like to be put into her ehcp? I know some children at my dc school go and do gardening, horse riding and surfing during school time funded by their ehcp.

@elliejjtiny There isn't a special school in our LA, there is a couple of general ones in the next nearest LA but DD doesn't want to and the current school and LA agree she's not bad enough to need special school. She'd be fine if she could accept her condition and actually work with the TA.

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BecomingtheNRP · 23/09/2023 11:10

MollyButton · 23/09/2023 10:13

Are you part of any parental support groups?
Do not accept what the school says. They should be doing more to help her, or it is not the right setting for her.
Try to get LA special advisors/educational psychologists involved.
If she has a diagnosis then contact any National charity for that diagnosis and contact their helpline/local groups. They can both offer moral support and local based advice.

@MollyButton She has an EHCP, but current school and LA are saying she needs to be accessing the support in her current EHCP before they can put more in place.

Have called emergency review for next week but current school think LA will reduce funding as she's not accessing all of the interventions in place and therefore it's not worth them funding them. I obviously will fight against it.

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category12 · 23/09/2023 11:19

BecomingtheNRP · 23/09/2023 11:07

@category12 I will not homeschool, I hated it during covid. DD loved it as she got up late, ate, did a couple of hours of whatever subject took her fancy (never English or Maths) and then played all day. My hair fell out from the stress of trying to get her to do English and Maths, I cannot go through that again.

Plus financially I need to work full time, I get DLA for DD but it doesn't even come close to covering our costs. I get no maintenance from ExH and I just cannot not work. I absolutely love work as well.

But that's why I suggested not doing the formal side of home education and continuing to work part-time? Remove the stress of trying to enforce subjects and go with what she will do. Still work, but do the minimum hours to get the maximum help and hopefully still have the outlet you need.

I just think if you choose full-time work over your daughter, you'll regret it.

BecomingtheNRP · 23/09/2023 11:23

category12 · 23/09/2023 11:19

But that's why I suggested not doing the formal side of home education and continuing to work part-time? Remove the stress of trying to enforce subjects and go with what she will do. Still work, but do the minimum hours to get the maximum help and hopefully still have the outlet you need.

I just think if you choose full-time work over your daughter, you'll regret it.

@category12 Because I can't afford to not work fulltime, my rent alone is my entire wage packet each month. UC will not cover the full amount even when I'm not working so I cannot afford to work parttime. I can't move because I'm already at the boundary set out by the judge who did the CAO and I know if it went back to court it'd go in ExHs favour.

I use DLA and CB plus a bit of UC to live off and it's still extremely tight each month. We never have holidays, we never go anywhere or do anything fun. I can barely afford to live as it is.

Home-schooling is not an option.

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Rainbowshit · 23/09/2023 11:35

Not a chance would I give up my child to this man. You will never get her back. You may not even see her again.

MammaTo · 23/09/2023 11:58

Can I ask how much involvement your daughter has with her diagnosis? If she keeps saying nothing is wrong with her etc then what would happen if you just let her go to school without any extra support? I haven’t got much experience with EHCP or SEN so please excuse my ignorance.

BecomingtheNRP · 23/09/2023 12:23

MammaTo · 23/09/2023 11:58

Can I ask how much involvement your daughter has with her diagnosis? If she keeps saying nothing is wrong with her etc then what would happen if you just let her go to school without any extra support? I haven’t got much experience with EHCP or SEN so please excuse my ignorance.

@MammaTo She has no concept of it, she just denies she has it. Theres a part of the EHCP that asks the childs view on what they think would help and her comments are always "I have nothing wrong with me and want to be left alone" type comments

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JCWiatt · 23/09/2023 12:24

I'm so sorry OP, what an awful situation. Please try to give yourself some grace. Has she had any therapy? Has a professional sat her down and explained her conditions, how they tested for them and how they impact her everyday life? It seems this could be the crux, to get her to understand why she struggles, why school is such a stressful environment and why accepting some support could make it better.

BathingBeauty · 23/09/2023 18:39

Who else have you got involved. Have you asked for Early Help to visit. I think it would also be helpful to speak to SENDIASS if you haven’t.

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