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I just have to accept it and give her my blessing to go don't I?

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BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 19:09

DD is 9, Year 5.

Split with her dad when she was 18 months old. He was abusive to both of us proved in family courts but he still got unsupervised access. DD also has SN and a medical condition.

DD is in denial about her conditions, says theres nothing wrong with her and rejects any adjustments or attempts to help her. She has an EHCP but if the TA tries to work 1-1 with her even outside of class she gets upset and refuses to go saying she doesn’t need to. She can read and write but struggles due to dyslexia and dyspraxia which she denies she has. She hates school and would rather not go. She tells me she hates me for forcing her to go – she doesn’t like a single thing about school apart from playtime, lunchtime and hometime. School keep trying to get her to work 1-1 but no consequences work, she isn’t bothered about anything they do. She’s not violent, and sending her out of the classroom is exactly what she wants, so they just have to leave her.

ExH tells her she’s perfect. He took me to court for contact and originally wanted full residency without visitation for me, he obviously didn’t get it but he still tells DD that I’m the mean woman who won’t let him see her more. With him they sit in the pub his family runs during contact, they have soft play inside and a park outside, she gets free icecream and gets to feel important. She’s been told she wouldn’t go to school she’d be homeschooled so ExH could focus on the pub – he never does any school runs as he says it’s not his choice to send her.

So she’s been saying that she wants to live with ExH. She’s always said it, from when she was 3. I tried to prove parent alienation in court when she was 5 and was basically laughed out of court and told if I tried it again I’d see my residency time cut to 50/50.

She hates me for sending her to school when she knows that ExH wouldn’t make her. ExH wouldn’t get her an education either. I don’t get a single penny in maintenance as he’s apparently a volunteer at the pub and gets no benefits or has any income he lives elsewhere though in a place that needs paying for and he has a car

I know if I had ExHs backing it’d be fine but I hate myself for thinking it but I cannot compete. I’m starting to think letting her go is the best way forward. She is always going to hate me for sending her to school which she hates. It’s a school in general problem as I had to move house between Year 2 and 3 so changed her school and she hates this one as much as the last and she’s in a smaller class and has her own 1-1 support covered by her EHCP. She is going to end up resenting me for it and theres nothing I can do – she doesn’t want to go to a special school, she says theres nothing wrong with her.

I’m giving it until half term then letting her go fulltime to her dad, because I can’t do this anymore, the arguments over her not wanting to go to school, breaking myself trying to force her in so I can earn an income and keep a roof over her head, the tears as I drop her off shouting and hitting me again because she doesn’t want to be there, her teacher calling me yet again to say she’s not even picked up her pencil and they don’t know what to do with her because consequences don’t work.

Didn’t post in AIBU as I know I’ll be slaughtered, but I don’t have any other options do i? She is going to end up hating me and I can’t do that, so I’m doing the only thing I can and letting her go.

I know I’ll never see her again while she’s a child but I have to do whats right for her and school isn’t the right place for her and I need her in school to earn money. At least this preserves our relationship.

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BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 20:57

leopardprintismyfavourite · 17/09/2023 20:52

Is it worth asking for a review of her ECHP?

It doesn’t sound like (on some level) school can meet her needs because she won’t engage, because of how she thinks about herself and her condition.

Which suggests that maybe she needs some specialist support to recognise her conditions and come to terms with them.

Is that at least worth a conversation with school to openly say ‘I’m approaching my wits end, as are you, what can you recommend that will help us move forward from this?’.

I think I’d be asking if they get another EP report done with recommendations of how to teach, support and ultimately discipline her and is it possible to get some kind of counselling to help her come to terms with her diagnoses.

@leopardprintismyfavourite We've had EP before and school are offering all the interventions she suggested, 1-1 reading and spelling work, small group work in class while working, access to a TA within the classroom for help with spellings or confidence, DD literally refuses to engage saying she has nothing wrong with her.

ExH tells her she has no conditions or issues and so she believes him because she adores him and he's saying he'll take her out of the place she hates.

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isthewashingdryyet · 17/09/2023 20:57

Let her go, she will be back by Christmas, Easter at the latest. He won’t provide any care at all, and she will realise what she is missing.

make sure she has a

disappearingfish · 17/09/2023 20:59

Mitmat · 17/09/2023 20:38

I say this kindly op but hell would freeze over first before I let my dc go to an abusive father.

What's your housing/money situation currently?

I know it feels like hell now OP but you know that you are your DD's best chance at a successful life.

If you can get any support at all call it in now.

BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 20:59

It's all well and good saying "she'll realise the grass isn't greener" or "she'll come back by Christmas" but I'm sure ExH won't let her however much she wants to, he'd be getting maintenance from me where he apparently has no income, plus child benefit, he'd not give those up easily at all and I know the courts wouldn't side with me given what I was told before.

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isthewashingdryyet · 17/09/2023 21:01

He won’t do all the stuff you have to do for a child, you know feed them meals and wash their clothes and stuff. He will be begging you to take her back by Christmas

firstmummy2019 · 17/09/2023 21:09

Please do not send her to her father's. He is an abusive man. As soon as things start getting hard and he had to do some real parenting, how will he react to your daughter. I know it is tough but she is in the best place with you. Things may change as she gets older or goes to secondary school.

Mitmat · 17/09/2023 21:14

Are you working op? Can you quit and go down the dla/carers allowance route?

Mitmat · 17/09/2023 21:14

And then homeschool yourself?

BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 21:16

Mitmat · 17/09/2023 21:14

Are you working op? Can you quit and go down the dla/carers allowance route?

@Mitmat Yes I work, we do already get DLA for her but I need to work for my sanity, I couldn't homeschool, I hated it during covid.

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BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 21:16

Mitmat · 17/09/2023 21:14

Are you working op? Can you quit and go down the dla/carers allowance route?

Also I need to work because even with DLA I can't afford bills/rent/food so need to work to keep us a float.

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Araminta1003 · 17/09/2023 21:17

9 year olds really do not know what is best for them. Speak to the school and the head about it asap. They need to engage her, she needs an education and to stay away from an abusive individual playing Disney dad. Sending her there would ruin her future, not just educationally.

It is really difficult to be a good parent with the child’s best interests at heart because often it means making them do things gently that they don’t like aka pushing out of their comfort zone so they grow. If you have come this far, don’t give up now!

Susuwatariandkodama · 17/09/2023 21:19

OP I understand you are in a difficult situation but why do you want to send your DD to live full time with a man who abused both of you?

tribpot · 17/09/2023 21:21

I think it's pretty clear OP doesn't want to do this. She is at the end of her rope, and feels she is fighting a losing battle against the malign influence of her DD's father.

BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 21:22

Susuwatariandkodama · 17/09/2023 21:19

OP I understand you are in a difficult situation but why do you want to send your DD to live full time with a man who abused both of you?

@Susuwatariandkodama Because I feel like forcing her to school is ruining any semblance of a relationship we have. She hates me for it, I hate myself for forcing her somewhere she very obviously doesn't want to be, I can't give up work because I can't afford to and I actually enjoy working and hate homeschooling so thats not an option. The only option is her going to her dad. Its the only way I see her not hating me as she becomes an adult.

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Theredfoxfliesatmidnight · 17/09/2023 21:29

"Its the only way I see her not hating me as she becomes an adult."

So she temporarily hates you for a while, this happens with teens and pre teens. Why is her not liking you for a bit worth ruining her educational future for? I am quite surprised that as a parent you are willing to give up your child rather than enforce a few rules she doesn't like. This is what parenting is. And she may well not thank you for it! When she's an adult and asks you why you allowed her just to opt out of the education system, when she has no prospects because she was never made to go to school, your answer will have to be because you didn't like school when you were nine. Will you be happy to stand by that (sorry) really pathetic answer?

Motherofalittledragon · 17/09/2023 21:31

It's not as simple as just home educating her with an EHCP, your ex will have to get permission from the local authority to have her removed from the school roll and have your dd EHCP changed stating he is providing a home education and provide evidence of an education.

Iwasafool · 17/09/2023 21:32

Holly03 · 17/09/2023 19:42

I think exh will be in for a shock about homeschooling especially in a pub. They do regular visits and there is a lot of paperwork to submit to. She would have to do work. I give him a week before he breaks and dd gets bored of no social contact. As much as we all hated school we need friends

I home schooled for 5 years, never had a visit. No one called/visited/checked if she was OK.

Susuwatariandkodama · 17/09/2023 21:38

@BecomingtheNRP I think having a child hate you is surely better option than leaving her in the hands of an abuser? You would be putting her at risk, especially as you’ve said you are sure he’ll prevent you from having any further contact with her. I really hope you can speak to someone about this and seek professional support and advice as it’s a really difficult situation for you.

RandomMess · 17/09/2023 21:48

So sorry you have ended up in a no win situation. I'm not sure what else you could have done.

Flowers

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Aliceinunderland · 17/09/2023 22:06

Social worker here. Please think carefully about this. I would really speak to the school about all of this and ask them to refer you to the social work team there.

What he is doing is abusive. He can't meet her needs, not now nor in the future. At least ask them to do an assessment so you have an independent view and take it from there.
Can you also speak to women's aid or another similar service in your area? It sounds like he is still abusing you through your daughter.

Agapornis · 17/09/2023 22:09

Hating school will affect her until she's old enough to get a job.

Living with an abuser will fuck her up for life.

BecomingtheNRP · 17/09/2023 22:18

Thank you everyone, I am definitely going to try and get more support for us.

I think with the right support DD would learn to tolerate school so I will definitely call an early EHCP review and see what help we can get. Her school are fantastic and trying their best but we need to do more.

I will hold off sending her to her dad, you're all right that it's not in her interests however much she hates me now. I am not bothered about qualifications or her future as that can be decided at any age, but I do need to stop these battles and the guilt of sending her.

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MollyButton · 17/09/2023 22:23

Please try to find support for yourself. There are alternatives to mainstream school which might suit her more - although these usually involve effort from the parents.
But please don't abandon her to her father:
She will believe you do not care.
Does he care or is it just a power play with you?
What do you think he future will be with no schooling? Where do you see her being at 13/15/18? If she receives no education and lives with him?

determinedtomakethiswork · 17/09/2023 22:23

I think your ex is living in cloud, cuckoo land really. His focus is on punishing you by taking the child and making you pay for her.

The reality will be very different. I assume he's not even thinking how he's going to educate her or feed her. Does he rely a lot on an extended family?

Your daughter would have no friends if she was living with him, at least not in the daytime. I think like others that you should pull in as much help as you can for social services and women's aid. You're in a really rotten position and I do feel for you.

Loveacardigan · 17/09/2023 22:26

As mentioned by a previous post- to home educate a child with an EHC isn’t as simple as just electing to do it, as it would be for other children. The local authority are responsible for providing the provisions in the plan so will want to know that father can provide these.