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“You swanning out to work everyday is annoying.

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Pumpernickel101 · 13/09/2023 22:14

Last night, (because our cleaner had asked to come a day early this week), I tidied the entire house after a 12 hour day at work as a teacher.

DH was tired last night, so we agreed that I’d tidy/organise the house that night and he’d make the spare bed the following night. He finishes work at 3pm each day so that he can pick DD up from school and be with her. I finish work any time between 5 and 6:30 and have to be at work around 7:30am.

My DD 6 kept me company last night while I tidied and organised the whole house, clearing surfaces, putting laundry away, unloading the dishwasher, clearing clutter, emptying bins etc. We chatted away and she made a lovely mask as I was doing these jobs. When I’d finished, I read her a story and put her to bed while DH lay in bed on his phone.

I pulled out the mattress from under the spare room bed in preparation for my dad and his partner coming to stay this weekend but when I did, I noticed that our cat had used it as a hiding place and there was lots of fur under it. I asked if DH could hoover the mattress and make the bed to which he agreed.

Tonight I got in from work late (6:45) because it was the staff meeting at my school and DH said that we had no milk. I asked DD if she wanted to pop to the supermarket with me and thought that we could get some nice bits for my dad’s stay on the weekend. DD said she’d rather I just went but requested popcorn for our Friday night movie night.

I got home with the food shopping at 9pm and put it away. When I walked upstairs having had a 13 hour day pretty much non-stop, I found DH on DD’s bed with her asleep and him scrolling the internet and the spare bed was hoovered but unmade.

I felt really disappointed that there were still jobs to do, despite yesterday being on the go from 6am-10pm and today from 6am- 9pm and DH had done nothing but put the washing on the clothes horses that I’d put in before work this morning.

He heard me sighing frustratedly and asked how I was. I asked why he hadn’t made the bed and he said he’d “built” the bed (which is putting the two singles together with a clamp.) and hoovered it which had been “really hard”.

I said it’s not fair that I’d only asked him to do 1 thing and he hadn’t even done that despite agreeing to and despite me doing everything else and despite his working hours being more lenient.

He said he’d been making the kitchen floor (a job he stopped doing 6 months ago and he randomly decided to prioritise tonight!) I suggested that finishing the kitchen floor wasn’t really a priority when we have guests staying on Friday.

He then as he always does:

•told me I was in a “strop” repeatedly
•told me I was throwing my teddies out of the pram
•told me it didn’t need to be done that night
•Once I’d made the bed myself with duvet covers, pillow cases etc, he proceeded to grab all of the cushions off the floor and throw them chaotically on the made bed. When I told him that was unkind he said, incredulously, “What!? They just need to be off the floor for the cleaner to hoover!” Not acknowledging or being truthful about the fact that what he was really doing was trying to mess up my made bed.

•He had done a similar thing last week when I got annoyed with him about his hoarding problem starting to encroach on another room in the house. He reacted by getting loads old planks and old doors and throwing them across walkways in the previously clean and tidy kitchen and dining room then denied that this was an aggressive move until he was blue in the face.

•This time I decided to do to him what he’d done to me and went into his hoarding room and pushed a few bits of wood over.

•He got really mad then because his stuff is his whole world.

•He then told me that I’m a bad mother because I swan off for work 12 hours a day and I don’t see our daughter enough.

•I told him I have to work because we need the money and that we’re lucky because I get the whole holidays off so I can spend lots of time with our daughter in the holidays it’s free childcare so he should be happy, on weekends and I am home by 5pm so she’s only missing me for 1.5 hours of the day on those days.

•he said I don’t see her enough and my job annoys him.

• I suggested that it annoys him because when I’m not at home he has to actually do some domestic labour.

I cannot raise a single issue or communicate a single need to this man without knowing that I’ve got to get in the boxing ring and defend myself from his onslaught of nasty, unkind, disrespectful language, attitude and accusations.

Yes- I feel guilty about working full time but when I’m at home, I feel guilty about not getting my work all done. The last thing I need is for my own husband to be guilt tripping me about going to fucking work. It’s not as though I have anything close to a social life or a hobby. This is my FUCKING JOB!

He is now saying he is sorry but I’m so over his shitty, lazy, nasty attitude and behaviour.

I can’t leave because I couldn’t afford to/ it would break DD’s heart and I don’t trust that he wouldn’t expose my DD to her half sister in my absence. A dangerous and unkind young woman, who I don’t want anywhere near my DD.

So here I am - yet another trapped woman with the entirety of the mental load on my shoulders, unable to move away from a man who clearly has no love or respect for me.

OP posts:
WhatapityWapiti · 13/09/2023 23:19

he is a lazy arsehole but I’d have got the cleaner to hoover the fur and make up the bed.

Also, what on EARTH??

He reacted by getting loads old planks and old doors and throwing them across walkways in the previously clean and tidy kitchen and dining room

How long did they stay there?
What reason did he give for putting them there?

Pumpernickel101 · 13/09/2023 23:29

Because I had moved a hoard of tapes, Jiffy bags and cardboard boxes that had started to accumulate in a SECOND room in the house to his hoarding room.
He reacted by doing that to “show me why he had no choice but to let his stuff start encroaching on another room of the house.”

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Starseeking · 13/09/2023 23:30

The more I did around the house, the lazier my EXDP got.

He'd claim he was a hero for the fact he did nursery drop off (ONCE a week), conveniently forgetting that I had bathed and clothed two DC, given them their breakfast and packed their bags for the day. All he had to do was put them in the car walk them to the nursery door at the other end.

Just one example.

Start saving OP. You can do so much better than a man who tries to erode your confidence with his jealousy. It's a deeply unattractive trait.

Pumpernickel101 · 13/09/2023 23:30

They didn’t stay long because I threatened to throw stuff around his hoarding room in the way that he had done in the kitchen and dining room.

OP posts:
Pumpernickel101 · 13/09/2023 23:31

I’m just stuck though because I’m adamant that DD won’t be exposed to his abusive daughter.

OP posts:
Starseeking · 13/09/2023 23:31

Pinkbonbon · 13/09/2023 23:10

If it FEELS like someone takes pleasure in working against you, it's because THEY DO.

And someone like that is dangerous to be around. Because they mean you harm.

It might not be physical harm...but over time, they will wear you down until you are a shell of yourself. By being unsupportive, undermining, cold and cruel. And it'll be as bad as if he had beaten you. Because you'll still end up broken.

Your gut is screaming at you that this man enjoys bringing you down. Listen to it! And do whatever it takes to get away from anyone like that.

I've experienced this, listen to every single word.

Notamum12345577 · 13/09/2023 23:42

2 pages in and no one has asked about the step daughter?

thatwassociopathic · 13/09/2023 23:43

You can make up all the excuses under the sun why you're stuck with him but take it from me, your daughter will adapt better now to a split than she will when he inevitably starts his shit on her. This will cause her damage that might be unfixable. She will already be noticing the hostility. Take it from someone who stayed too long, and my daughter is left with the psychological and emotional scars. Face the hurdles with the abusive dd, report her...and deal with any other barriers. Mark my words. Good luck.

Loubelle70 · 13/09/2023 23:48

1 job. Why couldn't he see it through....us women have to start and finish a job.

Nanny0gg · 13/09/2023 23:56

How old is the other daughter and in what way is she abusive?

Where does she live?

Nowthenhere · 14/09/2023 00:02

Is there a way of finding a teaching job several hours away from your dangerous step daughter and needing to up root the family there? Once settled you could set free your sabotaging husband into the wild world.
The distance would mean the chances of both girls being together being fairly low, he would have to travel long distances etc.

Trying to think of a way round keeping your career and your sanity with also maintaining a good relationship between dad and daughter... though staring at his phone between hobbies and DIY sounds dull for any child to observe.

What happens when your visitors arrive? Do they cringe? Do they question his ability to be the hero of the hour?

Pinkbonbon · 14/09/2023 00:06

Did you ever think that the other daughter is the way she is because she was exposed to him and his toxic drama for far too long. Rather than keeping your daughter away from her, I'd maybe focus on preventing her from going down the same path.

Edamummybean · 14/09/2023 00:12

Pinkbonbon · 14/09/2023 00:06

Did you ever think that the other daughter is the way she is because she was exposed to him and his toxic drama for far too long. Rather than keeping your daughter away from her, I'd maybe focus on preventing her from going down the same path.

Very good point.

JFDIYOLO · 14/09/2023 00:24

I'm so sorry.

Do not give up your job. You have status, income, pension, a life outside your hoarded and abuse-ridden home.

Stop exposing your child to his vile behaviour. She is absorbing toxic ideas around relationships, abusive men and women who put up with them.

Do you know why he split with his ex? I'd bet it was over this kind of thing - do you have the opportunity to speak with her?

Their daughter is a product of all that.
Being exposed to him may be sending your own daughter down the same path.

You hate your life with him. Seeing this every day is bad for your daughter. Staying with him for her sake is futile. And you're not trapped, this isn't your life, or your future - this is simply your current choice. And you can make another one for you and your child.

Start making enquiries - Women's Aid, a solicitor, Citizens Advice etc.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/09/2023 00:26

Pumpernickel101 · 13/09/2023 22:31

It’s just been helpful to write it down to be honest.
I’ve emailed relate so we’ll see but I just have a horrible feeling this is my life and I just need to accept it.

Of course you don't have to accept it!

You can get clear on needs and boundaries and nonnegotiable, he can meet them or not and then you decide what you do next

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/09/2023 00:29

I used to have these exact arguments with my ex, no child then yet (I was pregnant tho!) and I'd have to do everything - he spent so much time doing video games and would never ever do what he said he'd do get would get angry if I reminded /nagged him, blame me if I did it myself and refuse to engage in any kind of list system.

They are so so so annoying

I don't have him around now and I don't miss his evening boozing video games and laziness

Pumpernickel101 · 14/09/2023 13:03

My DH has apologised profusely for each aspect of what happened and has suggested therapy. for him I n his own to control how he reacts when I express a need/ disappointment/ anger or anything other than me being a complete robot with zero emotions.

I have found myself in a relationship where I am not allowed to have feelings or be a whole human being, or ask for what I need and if I gently explain why I need certain things it is reacted to as though I have a character defect.

To be honest, I’m increasingly unhappy and am struggling to find the joy in my life. My daughter is a joyful presence and is in herself the most wonderful soul, I wouldn’t want to spend one night away from her let alone whole Christmases, but my relationship with DH is so lacking in positive and productive communication that I’m talking out emotionally. Too tired to take any kind of action. Just crack on, defences up and I imagine this general ambivalence will separate us naturally.

I have more money than him - a 100k property that I rent out and inherited from my grandmother. I was looking on rightmove last night and found that I could buy a 2 bedroom terrace in the lovely town near where we live now and my monthly mortgage payment would be under 700 which would be doable on just my income. He’d get half if we divorced which would be gutting for me and my DD would be in after school care which would be a long day for her.

It would be an adjustment but maybe a necessary one. Today I’m just on the brink of tears, weak and exhausted.

I was going to start an MA this October but I don’t feel I can study whilst so much trauma is happening in my home and every second I’m not paying100% attention to my home and DD is being met with the most vile resentment from DH.

So sad that he can’t see how fortunate we currently are/ he currently is.

OP posts:
ConnieTucker · 14/09/2023 18:06

Pumpernickel101 · 14/09/2023 13:03

My DH has apologised profusely for each aspect of what happened and has suggested therapy. for him I n his own to control how he reacts when I express a need/ disappointment/ anger or anything other than me being a complete robot with zero emotions.

I have found myself in a relationship where I am not allowed to have feelings or be a whole human being, or ask for what I need and if I gently explain why I need certain things it is reacted to as though I have a character defect.

To be honest, I’m increasingly unhappy and am struggling to find the joy in my life. My daughter is a joyful presence and is in herself the most wonderful soul, I wouldn’t want to spend one night away from her let alone whole Christmases, but my relationship with DH is so lacking in positive and productive communication that I’m talking out emotionally. Too tired to take any kind of action. Just crack on, defences up and I imagine this general ambivalence will separate us naturally.

I have more money than him - a 100k property that I rent out and inherited from my grandmother. I was looking on rightmove last night and found that I could buy a 2 bedroom terrace in the lovely town near where we live now and my monthly mortgage payment would be under 700 which would be doable on just my income. He’d get half if we divorced which would be gutting for me and my DD would be in after school care which would be a long day for her.

It would be an adjustment but maybe a necessary one. Today I’m just on the brink of tears, weak and exhausted.

I was going to start an MA this October but I don’t feel I can study whilst so much trauma is happening in my home and every second I’m not paying100% attention to my home and DD is being met with the most vile resentment from DH.

So sad that he can’t see how fortunate we currently are/ he currently is.

Inheritance isnt automatically a marital asset so dont be offering 50% of anything until you have spoken to a solicitor.

Aishah231 · 14/09/2023 18:25

Could you divorce but stay living together for now - until DD is older. As he's pretty useless and lazy he might accept that option as it delays him having to grow up. It's not ideal but you separate finances now so you don't end up giving even more to this moron. I feel for you OP. I am in a similar situation.

bobbinsnbows · 14/09/2023 18:39

Please stop “cracking on” - you’re trying to swim against a tsunami of apathy, neglect and negativity. Continuing as you are will lead to burnt out.
You were perfectly reasonable asking him to prepare for visitors beforehand: being organised reduces your “to do” list, takes the pressure off, gives you a bit of “me” time to relax, which he well knows. You don’t need me to tell you how he’s failing you.
His present (and past) nonsense must occupy a lot of your head space when you’re not in a classroom. Reorganise your mental filing cabinet. File him in the bottom CBA drawer; act as if he’s not there - don’t react to him, cook for him or wash for him - in an effort to lighten your load. Now is the time to focus on yourself, your daughter, your MA, and on your future which has hope.
Even if he were to appreciate your current situation, would you be impressed? I wouldn’t.

Pumpernickel101 · 14/09/2023 18:52

I stopped cooking for him a long time ago and now only do it once in a blue moon.

I stopped because often, when his daughter was visiting, he would cook for her but not our DD or me. Or he would cook some nights for our DD and not for me, so I just thought what the fuck am I doing cooking for someone who it took years of battling to get him to wash up afterwards and who never cooks for me.

I often go on strike with his laundry and other things but I don’t like to strike with cleanliness/ organisation and food because that affects DD badly.

The first holiday I took DD on was all by myself because DH told me that he doesn’t like holidays and he’d ‘rather spend his money on presents for people’s birthdays throughout the year! 😳’

I have managed to get him to come and hash tag make memories with me and DD in the past 2 years, but it’s always me organising every element of it and dragging his unenthusiastic tired arse around the place for him to slag the holiday off when we get home with “it was too hot”, “it was too bleak and rainy”, “it was too expensive”, “the toilets were too dirty at that tourist attraction” etc etc.

No wonder I like it at work. There are positive, healthy minded individuals there. He sleeps a lot. Absents himself. Goes on his phone compulsively.

He is often a misery.

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bobbinsnbows · 14/09/2023 19:19

This Prince of a Manchild doesn’t deserve to live with you and your daughter. Show him the door. Without him, life can only get better.

Duckingella · 14/09/2023 19:20

1.Your husband doesn't respect you and has no emotional intelligence.
2.He's a sexist pig.
3.His other daughter is mean and indulges in dangerous behaviour;doesn't take a genius to work out where that comes from;it would also suggest he's done a poor job of parenting her.
4.If your neglecting your DD by working then so is he.
5.His hoarded crap;stand your ground and insist it gets moved immediately to a storage unit he pays for.
6.Arrange an appointment with a solicitor asap;you need to know where you stand legally:you don't have to act on it but knowing where you stand legally is a powerful tool.

bonzaitree · 14/09/2023 19:41

Pumpernickel101 · 14/09/2023 18:52

I stopped cooking for him a long time ago and now only do it once in a blue moon.

I stopped because often, when his daughter was visiting, he would cook for her but not our DD or me. Or he would cook some nights for our DD and not for me, so I just thought what the fuck am I doing cooking for someone who it took years of battling to get him to wash up afterwards and who never cooks for me.

I often go on strike with his laundry and other things but I don’t like to strike with cleanliness/ organisation and food because that affects DD badly.

The first holiday I took DD on was all by myself because DH told me that he doesn’t like holidays and he’d ‘rather spend his money on presents for people’s birthdays throughout the year! 😳’

I have managed to get him to come and hash tag make memories with me and DD in the past 2 years, but it’s always me organising every element of it and dragging his unenthusiastic tired arse around the place for him to slag the holiday off when we get home with “it was too hot”, “it was too bleak and rainy”, “it was too expensive”, “the toilets were too dirty at that tourist attraction” etc etc.

No wonder I like it at work. There are positive, healthy minded individuals there. He sleeps a lot. Absents himself. Goes on his phone compulsively.

He is often a misery.

Did you like him when you married?

It doesn’t sound like theres much of that person left.

Newestname002 · 14/09/2023 19:46

@Pumpernickel101

Inheritance isnt automatically a marital asset so dont be offering 50% of anything until you have spoken to a solicitor.

OP when you find a good family law solicitor do, please, add this ^^ to the questions you will want answers to. You may decide not to go for a divorce at the moment, but having accurate information about finances, amongst other things, will help you focus on what a life without your husband might be. Take with you all your financial information (for both if you) eg: equity on your properties, savings, investments, pensions. If you don't have a good friend to recommend a solicitor to you, check on the website for The Law Society website under Find a solicitor, family law.

Don't feel you need to share any of your preparation with your husband until you file for divorce as he's likely to make life more difficult for you. 🌹