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Please help me see the wood for the trees

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DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 14:34

Please, I am in need of some helpful, constuctive advice, and kindness would be appreciated, I am low enough already, not to need a further kicking! I have namechanged just for this but have been here for yonks. And for the avoidance of doubt and openess, I am male. And neurodivergent.

This weekend I have lost a friendship, am feeling lost, bereft, almost bereaved, having lost someone loyal, trustworthy and one of the few people to have ever entered my life who has absolute integrity, honour and loyalty. And there is a correlation with my partner of 18 months, whose behaviour and decorum I am starting to question. Almost asking myself if I am in an emotionally abusive relationship. My partner and I are diametricaly opposed in terms of our personalities and attitudes to things - I am very quiet, reserved, introspective, very androgenous, most definitely not overtly masculine, very sensitive and emotional wheras my partner is loud, boisterous, very social, drinks, gambles, swears, all things which are anathema to me. Please, I am not seeking to tear her to shreds here, or belittle her in any way - we are just very different! But, I find her behaviour, toward me, undermining, belittling, destructive to my already low self confidence and lack of belief in myself.

She frequently criticises my manner of dress, the way I speak and the language I use, calling me 'stuck up', a snob and pompous.

Criticises my appearance, saying that I look old for my age and calling me 'fatty' even though I have told her I don't like it - we are both carrying a little extra weight.

Is promiscuous, in that she openly flirts in front of me, encourages and seeks out male attention.

Frequently questions my previous relationships, particularly the physical side of things, which I would rather leave in the past. At the same time goes into quite graphic detail about the good sex she has had in the past, the fact that she has had more sexual partners than me, repeatedly refers back to incidents in the past which I really don't need or want to know about, knowing that I find it hurtful, emasculating and almost cruel. My libido has actually fallen off a cliff, partly because of this.

Lacks any kind of filter or boundary, is rude and bossy to the point of being bullying, is proud of her rudeness and 'telling it like it is', but, by the same token, is very sensitive about her own lack of education, ability to articulate well, poor memory, scattiness and slightly chaotic, disorganised lifestyle.

Never compliments me, boosts my confidence or even tells me, voluntarily, that she loves me, only 'love you too' as a response when I tell her how much I love her.

Calls into question my ability as a professional horticulturalist, despite making use of me every weekend to help in her garden, or that of her mum, son, daughter and her sisters.

Despite all this, I love her, don't want to change her, but would like to be treated with more respect and not feel that I am constantly walking on eggshells, afraid of expressing my thoughts or feelings in case of her reaction. If I do, I get told to stop being so sensitive, 'man up', take it on the chin and that she is only joking.

Written down, it seems as though I am pathetic, weak and cowardly, possibly I am! I am aware of the 'freedom programme' and Lundy Bancroft's work 'why does he do that?', but presume that this is aimed primarily at women and not men.

Sorry it is so long, but I am in turmoil and this is cathartic. Thoughts please

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CoopAndWheels · 28/08/2023 14:46

afraid of expressing my thoughts or feelings in case of her reaction.

You are in an abusive relationship. You shouldn’t be walking on eggshells in a relationship. There is help out there for men, please look at getting some support to leave, this is no way to live.

https://mensadviceline.org.uk/male-victims/what-is-domestic-abuse/emotional-abuse/

Emotional Abuse - Men's Advice Line

https://mensadviceline.org.uk/male-victims/what-is-domestic-abuse/emotional-abuse/

Frogger8395 · 28/08/2023 14:47

Get rid of her.

Shouldbedoing · 28/08/2023 14:50

She's a horror. Dump her.
Did you and your friend fall out over her?

AgnesX · 28/08/2023 14:54

I don't understand why you love her since she doesn't treat you well. If someone else told you this what would you tell them?

I feel you need to get out of that relationship while you have some self esteem, personally and professionally.

She sounds quite mean really.

DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 15:18

@Shouldbedoing, yes, basically my friend (who I shall refer to as 'J'), has withdrawn from our friendship. Should have put this in my opening thread, but it would have involved another million paragraphs of text!

J and I have know one another for a number of years, have (had!) a very open, frank and purely platonic friendship, she has stayed with me on several occasions in the past, purely innocently, has supported me through some difficult times, has been loyal, non judgemental, everything a true friend should be. But, over the past 18 months, because of my partner's antipathy toward her, driven by my partner's belief that men and women cannot just be friends and that there must ALWAYS be a hidden agenda, my friendship with J has changed and we cannot openly communicate as we once did, she can no longer come and stay with me, or I with her or take me on an expedition to her home country as we once intended to do. J now, quite rightly, feels that our frienship has become one sided, and that it is time we drew a line under it. She called me on Saturday morning, we had a lovely conversation, but the bottom line is that, and I admit this, I have been leaning quite heavily on her recently, our conversations have become triggering for her, since her own marriage was abusive, and I understand that I am partially responsible for driving her away. I admire her honesty and integrity in calling me to tell me - but it comes as no surprise, given her personality, I will respect her decision and choice, but will also, with her agreement, send her a few jars of honey from my bees from time to time.

I must absolutely stress that there never has, or ever would be, any romantic, emotional or physical involvement between J and I - we are just friends who happen to have different chromasomes. I have never enjoyed male friendships and feel 'safe' having women as friends and I think that they feel 'safe' with me too

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DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 15:20

@Shouldbedoing, yes, basically my friend (who I shall refer to as 'J'), has withdrawn from our friendship. Should have put this in my opening thread, but it would have involved another million paragraphs of text!

J and I have know one another for a number of years, have (had!) a very open, frank and purely platonic friendship, she has stayed with me on several occasions in the past, purely innocently, has supported me through some difficult times, has been loyal, non judgemental, everything a true friend should be. But, over the past 18 months, because of my partner's antipathy toward her, driven by my partner's belief that men and women cannot just be friends and that there must ALWAYS be a hidden agenda, my friendship with J has changed and we cannot openly communicate as we once did, she can no longer come and stay with me, or I with her or take me on an expedition to her home country as we once intended to do. J now, quite rightly, feels that our frienship has become one sided, and that it is time we drew a line under it. She called me on Saturday morning, we had a lovely conversation, but the bottom line is that, and I admit this, I have been leaning quite heavily on her recently, our conversations have become triggering for her, since her own marriage was abusive, and I understand that I am partially responsible for driving her away. I admire her honesty and integrity in calling me to tell me - but it comes as no surprise, given her personality, I will respect her decision and choice, but will also, with her agreement, send her a few jars of honey from my bees from time to time.

I must absolutely stress that there never has, or ever would be, any romantic, emotional or physical involvement between J and I - we are just friends who happen to have different chromasomes. I have never enjoyed male friendships and feel 'safe' having women as friends and I think that they feel 'safe' with me too

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Mari9999 · 28/08/2023 15:31

@DracunculusVulgaris
I don't know that you are in an abusive relationship, but you are certainly in an unhappy relationship. Why stay in a situation that causes you so much angst and pain and provides so little pleasure or benefit.

She does not need to change herself to suit you; you need to end this relationship because it is not good for you.

Don't expect to fix her; you need to fix you by taking control of your life and removing yourself from a negative situation.

Mmhmmn · 28/08/2023 15:37

Your partner is horrible to you. That's more than reason enough to say goodbye. Do you really love her or do you just feel like you should? I would hate her personally, reading what she's like towards you. Just ..why stay with someone so unpleasant?

FartSock5000 · 28/08/2023 15:41

@DracunculusVulgaris you are in an abusive relationship and part of that is intentionally isolating you away from your friend.

Dump your partner. She doesn't love or respect you. We do not treat those we love with abuse, hate and disdain. We do not make them feel less than.

Reach out to your friend afterwards. She may come back once you are free of the abuser.

DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 16:06

Thank you all for your kindness - I will respond to everyone a little later, once I have put some charge in my phone battery!

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Justcallmebebes · 28/08/2023 16:08

Doesn't sound like you live together or are in any way compatible so easy to split

Ahwhatthehell · 28/08/2023 17:19

I think you’re in an abusive relationship op and I think you’ll not realise this until you’re away from it.
It’s crept up slowly on you, you probably don’t know how/when it started but it’s very telling that she has chipped away at the core of your character. Everything you are. And you’ve lost yourself. Now you’re not sure what’s acceptable and what’s not. Because she says it’s only ‘banter’.
How dare she? Who does that to the person they claim to love. Your friend knows all of this and because she has your back, can no longer watch it.

I think you should free yourself.

Watchkeys · 28/08/2023 17:26

I find her behaviour, toward me, undermining, belittling, destructive to my already low self confidence and lack of belief in myself

You are choosing to stay in a situation that does this to you.

Why?

DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 17:35

@FartSock5000, yes, if, or when, I tell my partner what has happened she will gloat. I can even envisage her doing a fist pump!

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Stratocumulus · 28/08/2023 17:38

You sound really lovely. A sensitive soul who could do with a mate like J to help you through what MN’s are going to tell you.

First step is to finish with your abusive GF. She sounds positively spiteful and very disrespectful. You are worth more than that misery.
Secondly let the dust settle for a while with J and then see if she will meet up with you on the premise that you are moving forward without your toxic GF. Maybe J got fed up with your weakness surrounding your “romantic” relationship & your inability to dump said GF? It can be very exhausting trying to support a “yes but this and yes but that” friend who doesn’t take advice & always has an excuse not to accept advice?
Im sure you must find solace in your horticultural world? Mother Nature heals us. Embrace this and get the toxicity out of your life. New adventures await you. 💐

BCBird · 28/08/2023 17:41

Invest in you. This relationship is not doing you, nor probably her, any good.

DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 17:44

@Justcallmebebes, you are correct, we do not, at the moment, live together, I am just over an hour's drive away, but drive up, every Friday after work, to spend the weekend with her and feel that I always make the running. She rarely comes to stay with me, only twice, so far, this year - a couple of weeks ago, with her and grandson, to have a little holiday in the country, and once in spring, just before I took her on a surprise trip to London to see a show which she had, several times, expressed a wish to see. It was a failure - she did not like the hotel I had booked and would not sleep in the bed. I know that she would rather have been at the big annual horse racing event which she goes to every year, getting drunk, gambling and flirting with everyone. I tried so hard to give her a nice surprise. Stony ground!

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StopStartStop · 28/08/2023 17:45

OP, I'm an (old) autistic woman. The advice I'd give to an autistic son if I had one would be - ditch this woman immediately. It's ok to be on your own, even if society tries to insist everyone couples up.

DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 17:45

'Her mum and grandson' that should read

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DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 17:48

Thank you @CoopAndWheels, that is very helpful, I will definitely investigate this.

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Aquamarine1029 · 28/08/2023 17:51

You are your problem. You know this woman is abusive, you know she's a fucking nightmare, but you choose to stay. You say you love her, but that's absurd, because we don't love and respect people who treat us so badly. What you're feeling is not love, but you won't be able to realise this until you leave.

Get rid of her. Right now.

Watchkeys · 28/08/2023 17:58

@Aquamarine1029

I agree that OP is responsible for his own happiness, and so is responsible for getting away from this woman if he wants to find it.

because we don't love and respect people who treat us so badly

I don't agree with this though. If you've been poorly raised, and home was chaotic/tumultuous etc, what you feel as 'love' isn't the same as what others might. There is no 'correct' sort of love, and you are in no position to judge what OP feels as not being love. He says it is. Nobody can 'correct' another person's feelings.

The question, really, is why does OP feel love for this person.

@DracunculusVulgaris, were your feelings respected by your parents when you were growing up? Were you made to feel that your feelings were a priority?

DracunculusVulgaris · 28/08/2023 18:03

@Mari9999, I have no desire to change her particularly, it is not my place to do so, she is who she is, just as I am who I am, different personalities with different interests, thoughts about what constitutes decent behaviour. It is said that opposites attract, but perhaps the polarity is just too skewed and it would have been better if never the twain had met? I don't think that we are good for each other and it would be better if we went our seperate ways, but this is where I really struggle, I am very socially awkward, never know what to do, or say, in any given situation, frightened of hurting people, and I have attachment issues, stemming from childhood, which makes it exceptionally hard for me to let go of people and things!

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sandyhappypeople · 28/08/2023 18:03

It’s taken a lot for your friend to walk away from you over this. I assume you’ve been complaining to her but are absolutely unwilling to do anything about your situation, that’s an unfair burden to put on anyone, and she’s decided she’s done all she can for you.

you’re obviously unhappy, so why don’t you start trying a little less with your partner, don’t tell her what’s happened with J, but don’t go every weekend, make an excuse, illness, whatever, text less, ring less and see what she does, if she doesn’t care or seem bothered then she’s not worth all this agro and heartache as she doesn’t truly care for you, you’re just convenient to her when she feels like it.

I think you need to try and gain a bit of perspective on this, your friend has had no choice but to sacrifice your friendship over this, so don’t let that be for nothing.

Tomatoblush · 28/08/2023 18:04

Please leave this woman. She is dragging you down and treating you terribly.
If I were you I’d rather have a platonic friendship with J than be verbally abused and worse by your partner.
She doesn't deserve a kind man. Let her go.